AJK opposes giving provincial status to GB

[Burhan Wani]

What!!?? You can't change facts to suit your ideology. GB was very much part of J&K on Aug 15, 1947. It seceded from J&K on 1 Nov, even that isn't recognized by anyone except Pakistan, may be.

We are talking about early 18th century.
When Gb and Poonch were independent states.

 

[WAJsal]

You know about Mirza Hassan Khan's " the Commander-in-Chief of the Gilgit scouts"involvement in GB liberation?

yes sir ji, the link i provided. More on page 6 and etc, etc.

What!!?? You can't change facts to suit your ideology. GB was very much part of J&K on Aug 15, 1947. It seceded from J&K on 1 Nov, even that isn't recognized by anyone except Pakistan, may be.

GB got liberated on this date and acceded to Pakistan after 15 day's. Anything else?

Its terrible that the land that produced Hassan Jarral and Lalak Jan does not have equal rights. I have also heard of baba sahab who is in jail just for raising the question of rights and asking for compensation for the lake disaster.

He was arrested for speaking against the state, apparently. Why does Pakistan government want to create a fire in that region. He was later released.

Then we have the issue of sunni terrorists in a region that is predominantly shia. I wish we developed a mindset where equality was the keyword. Very hurt that you do not have equal rights.

This sectarian killings have dropped in recent years to none. Have to do something with Zarb-e-azb.

From what I have read, G-B people want to be in National Assembly. And right to become PM/President/COAS of country one day. They don't want their fate connected to AJK issue.

Very well said. 100% correct.

 

[Burhan Wani]

yes sir ji, the link i provided. More on page 6 and etc, etc.


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For your information...
Before creation of gilgit scouts and liberation of GB, Mirza Hassan fought at Rajauri with Sardar Ibrahim Khan to liberate Rajouri and Sirinagar.

 

[WAJsal]

For your information...
Before creation of gilgit scouts and liberation of GB, Mirza Hassan fought at Rajauri with Sardar Ibrahim Khan to liberate Rajouri and Sirinagar.

Interesting. I read the whole of Kashmir could be liberated if it wasn't for the untrained militant. Major brown put it, 'the whole of Ladakh and Kashmir could be liberated, the untrained forces were too busy with other things, you know the sort of things'. Stealing etc, etc wasting time. Stupidity. At least GB got liberated without much bloodshed.

 

[unleashed]

Quite a big contribution actually. Had our forefathers not liberated what is called Azad Kashmir, Indian armoured divisions would be sitting opposite Rawalpindi.....The strategic nature of the region is invaluable and Pakistan wouldn't have been defendable had this region not been with the federation. I'm not even going to go into that 13% of AJK people make up the forces, even though it's the smallest population in Pakistan, that it has the highest literacy rate in the region by a large margin. Other factors such as a patriotic population that has never seen an armed revolt, we have no terrorism in our region or sympathy for them, which can be found everywhere else in Pakistan. What about Mangla dam and other projects that are and will contribute greatly to Pakistan's power generation? AJK's people have borne the brunt of these for the greater good.
I can go on.

Let me make you understand in bullets:
- Literacy rate of GB is higher than Kashmir (Hunza 92%).
- The region is liberated by the people GB, so there is no stake of kashmiris/ not even Pak
- Strategic importance of GB is higher than kashmir, links china, central Asia with Pak
- Majority of agricultural land is irrigated by the Indus, it originates from GB
- Density of population is 13 people/KM, one of the lowest in the world

Enough or should i go on??

And 1 thing more, do you know how many people from GB have embarrassed Shahadat while fighting for Kashmir? The only point i am making here is, you guys dnt have ***** to defend your land and yet you claim on GB..

 

[WAJsal]

- Literacy rate of GB is higher than Kashmir (Hunza 92%).

GB the whole of GB, not just Hunza district. In comparison Kashmir is doing much better than GB. GB is also doing good.

- The region is liberated by the people GB, so there is no stake of kashmiris/ not even Pak

Since it acceded to Pakistan. Pakistan does have stake.

And 1 thing more, do you know how many people from GB have embarrassed Shahadat while fighting for Kashmir? The only point i am making here is, you guys dnt have ***** to defend your land and yet you claim on GB..

You are talking as if you are a Gilgiti, are you one? if this is coming from a Gilgiti it's incorrect but to some extent understandable. Do tell.

Quite a big contribution actually. Had our forefathers not liberated what is called Azad Kashmir, Indian armoured divisions would be sitting opposite Rawalpindi.....The strategic nature of the region is invaluable and Pakistan wouldn't have been defendable had this region not been with the federation. I'm not even going to go into that 13% of AJK people make up the forces, even though it's the smallest population in Pakistan, that it has the highest literacy rate in the region by a large margin. Other factors such as a patriotic population that has never seen an armed revolt, we have no terrorism in our region or sympathy for them, which can be found everywhere else in Pakistan. What about Mangla dam and other projects that are and will contribute greatly to Pakistan's power generation? AJK's people have borne the brunt of these for the greater good.
I can go on.

Very well said. Again same can be sad about GB, huge contribution to PA. Great strategic importance(connect's us to China, no CPEC without it). Then there is huge Hydral potential and etc, etc. Patriotic population with a great literacy rate for such a remote region. I could go on. You get my point.

 

[Burhan Wani]

Interesting. I read the whole of Kashmir could be liberated if it wasn't for the untrained militant. Major brown put it, 'the whole of Ladakh and Kashmir could be liberated, the untrained forces were too busy with other things, you know the sort of things'. Stealing etc, etc wasting time. Stupidity. At least GB got liberated without much bloodshed.

Let me explain.
AJK poonch was liberated by ex british army officers and soldiers under direct command of sardar Ibrahim Khan, Col Khan Muhammad Khan,Captain Hussain khan (Military cross british),Lt Col Shair Khan (Victoria cross british) etc.
Be informed these soldiers and officers were veterans of WW1 and WW2.
After liberation of many districts they move towards rajori with Mirza Hassan Khan's men.
Mirza changed his mind and prefer to liberate his own home before rajori and sirinagar.
Under these circumstances FATA tribes came as a reinforcement for AKRF to liberate entire Kashmir, but due to UN pressure the agreed for ceasefire and table talks.
Those table talks was the reason behind the failure of Kashmir liberation.

 

[waz]

Let me make you understand in bullets:
- Literacy rate of GB is higher than Kashmir (Hunza 92%).
- The region is liberated by the people GB, so there is no stake of kashmiris/ not even Pak
- Strategic importance of GB is higher than kashmir, links china, central Asia with Pak
- Majority of agricultural land is irrigated by the Indus, it originates from GB
- Density of population is 13 people/KM, one of the lowest in the world

Enough or should i go on??

And 1 thing more, do you know how many people from GB have embarrassed Shahadat while fighting for Kashmir? The only point i am making here is, you guys dnt have ***** to defend your land and yet you claim on GB..

You're trying to make me understand and didn't get the point yourself. This isn't a contest between the two, did you read my other posts?
As for your points;
-That's impressive, but your population is tiny.
-I didn't question their liberation credentials, just what you said about the people of AJK.
-It's strategic no doubt, but more so than AJK, I doubt that. Perhaps on the same level. For example you have no shared border with India which is the threat.
-So what? The Indus comes from Indian territory, therefore GB doesn't have control over the river. Before that it originates from China.
-Yes it does.

Also yes I'm fully aware of how many people have died fighting for Kashmir from GB, for that we are eternally grateful.
Your next point is plain horrible, what do you mean we guys don't have sh*t to defend our land when we liberated it?
I also don't claim GB, nor do most people from AJK. Before you went on your angry rant I did say the people should decide.
Also don't swear in your posts. If you can't communicate your ideas in an eloquent manner , don't bother at all.

 

[WAJsal]

Let me explain.
AJK poonch was liberated by ex british army officers and soldiers under direct command of sardar Ibrahim Khan, Col Khan Muhammad Khan,Captain Hussain khan (Military cross british),Lt Col Shair Khan (Victoria cross british) etc.
Be informed these soldiers and officers were veterans of WW1 and WW2.
After liberation of many districts they move towards rajori with Mirza Hassan Khan's men.
Mirza changed his mind and prefer to liberate his own home before rajori and sirinagar.
Under these circumstances FATA tribes came as a reinforcement for AKRF to liberate entire Kashmir, but due to UN pressure the agreed for ceasefire and table talks.
Those table talks was the reason behind the failure of Kashmir liberation.
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I read it in 'Gilgit Rebellion' a book all consisting personal accounts of Major Brown. It stated that these tribe men had failed to carry out orders in time. Again a vast issue.

 

[OrionHunter]

GB and other J&K region are disputed territory.
If Pakistan declare it a province then India will declare J&K it's province.
So the Kashmir liberation will become impossible.

'Liberation' of Kashmir? By whom? The PA? or PA's strategic assets - the LeT/JeM yahoos under the command of General Hafiz Saeed?

The only question is the liberation of P0K including GB which it is part of! And this will be done by the Kashmiris themselves!

 

[waz]

Very well said. Again same can be sad about GB, huge contribution to PA. Great strategic importance(connect's us to China, no CPEC without it). Then there is huge Hydral potential and etc, etc. Patriotic population with a great literacy rate for such a remote region. I could go on. You get my point.

Of course bro, I'm glad you understood my post. GB should decide for itself and the region is incredible.

 

[unleashed]

Also yes I'm fully aware of how many people have died fighting for Kashmir from GB, for that we are eternally grateful.
Your next point is plain horrible, what do you mean we guys don't have sh*t to defend our land when we liberated it?
I also don't claim GB, nor do most people from AJK. Before you went on your angry rant I did say the people should decide.
Also don't swear in your posts. If you can't communicate your ideas in an eloquent manner , don't bother at all.[/QUOTE]

Omit my last point, I am sorry, shouldn't have used such words

 

[Burhan Wani]

I read it in 'Gilgit Rebellion' a book all consisting personal accounts of Major Brown. It stated that these tribe men had failed to carry out orders in time. Again a vast issue.

How can you trust Major Brown's book.
AJK men were trained but not well equipped. FATA tribes fought well and with honor but they came for offence and to capture Sirinagar and Rajori instead of defence
I will recommend you better and authentic books to study.
Khaki shadows, Unlikely begining.

 

[waz]

Also yes I'm fully aware of how many people have died fighting for Kashmir from GB, for that we are eternally grateful.
Your next point is plain horrible, what do you mean we guys don't have sh*t to defend our land when we liberated it?
I also don't claim GB, nor do most people from AJK. Before you went on your angry rant I did say the people should decide.
Also don't swear in your posts. If you can't communicate your ideas in an eloquent manner , don't bother at all.

That's ok brother. Like I said before our brothers in GB should decide what they want.

 

[Burhan Wani]

'Liberation' of Kashmir? By whom? The PA? or PA's strategic assets - the LeT/JeM yahoos under the command of General Hafiz Saeed?

The only question is the liberation of P0K including GB which it is part of! And this will be done by the Kashmiris themselves!

Are you drunk?
or just trolling my posts.
WTH is this ?
"liberation of P0K including GB which it is part of! And this will be done by the Kashmiris themselves!"