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AirBlue Commercial Aircraft Crashes in Islamabad

i saw on TV Kaira was asked about to share the recording of conversation betwen control tower and pilot but he ignored this question by answering different.
There were news of black box being found but later denied by PPP minister.

PPP govt. is not very clear on the issue..... as usuall every dpt. is helping in his individual capacity and volantarily but not on advise of political people neither any single person or dpt. is announced as incharge.
 
i saw on TV Kaira was asked about to share the recording of conversation betwen control tower and pilot but he ignored this question by answering different.
There were news of black box being found but later denied by PPP minister.

PPP govt. is not very clear on the issue..... as usuall every dpt. is helping in his individual capacity and volantarily but not on advise of political people neither any single person or dpt. is announced as incharge.

Whats government hiding ????
Black box are design in away that they give out signal for their location so how come its not found yet ???? the weather was not so bad and how come such an experience captain ignored Control tower warnings, was he under gun point , was it a Pakistan 9/11 type of attempt and was there some intelligence station on that hill were the plane crashed.

Just using my wild imagination.
 
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Whats government hiding ????
Black box are design in away that they give out signal for their location so how come its not found yet ???? the weather was not so bad and how come such an experience captain ignored Control tower warnings, was he under gun point , was it a Pakistan 9/11 type of attempt and was there some intelligence station on that hill were the plan crashed.

Just using my wild imagination.

I agree - blackboxes are easy to find thru GPS signal
 
Chaotic situation at Karachi airport

Thursday, July 29, 2010
Experts say CAA has no set-up to deal with emergencies

By Saad Hasan

KARACHI: The chaos at the Karachi International Airport after the Airblue flight crash on Wednesday exposed the glaring loopholes in the emergency response set-up of the aviation business in Pakistan.

As the grief-stricken relatives of the deceased poured in, a few employees of the private airline manning the small makeshift counter, frantically tried to control the situation. People who had come to learn about the fate of the passengers had to return with just hopes that their relatives, friends or loved ones could be among the few survivors. But as reports trickled in from Islamabad, it became clear that none of the 152 unfortunate people onboard was alive. A man, worried about the fate of his brother, cried at one corner of the airport. In another corner, stood a shell-shocked person wondering what could have happened to the airplane which had departed just hours before.

“He was right there. I had come to the airport to drop him at 6:30 in the morning,” said Saad Akhter, pointing to the departure door. “Please pray that he is among those who have made it alive and is only injured,” Akhter said about his relative. “Airblue officials asked me to wait at the airport.” He was to be accommodated on a flight that would take the relatives of the victims to Islamabad in the evening.

Senior CAA officials were nowhere at the airport. There was no one from the regulator to console the anxious relatives and friends or give them vital information. Most people were asked to go home after being given an Islamabad-based inquiry number.

Syed Naseem Ahmed, an aircraft accident specialist, said the CAA had no system in place to deal with a panic situation. “Most of the time, the CAA relies on the Army and the air force for the search and rescue operation, which is not wrong but then what about its role as commercial aviation regulator?”

The Airblue crash is the first in Pakistan’s aviation history involving a major private airline, he said. “Since 1953, there have been 20 major accidents in which more than 800 people have lost their lives,” he said. The last major accident happened on July 10, 2006, when a PIA Fokker crashed in Multan, killing all 45 people onboard. “Accidents happen everywhere in the world. But if you look at the frequency of flights in Pakistan, the ratio of accidents is quite high.”

He said that the most disturbing aspect of accident investigations in the country was that the public never gets to find out what really brought down the aircraft. “It is true that error on the part of pilots is behind 80 percent of accidents. However, the investigation report must be made public,” Naseem Ahmed said. The investigation report into the Fokker crash was never released, in complete violation of the International Civil Aviation Organisation (ICAO) rules, he said.

CAA Deputy Director General Air Vice Marshal Riaz-ul-Haq said that relatives were entitled to know the cause of the accident. However, the CAA could not immediately state the reasons of the crash, he said. “We have formed an investigation team headed by Air Commodore Abdul Hamid. It will take some time for it to prepare the report and it is up to the government if it wants to release it.”

He said that flying a plane over the Margalla Hills was not risky as there were more dangerous landing terrains in other countries. “But flying is a dangerous business. We need to ensure this does not happen again.”

Pilots say that a cloudy atmosphere around a hilly area always makes it difficult to manoeuvre an aircraft. But in the Airblue crash, an electronic system that guides the pilot in such a situation was not of much use.

Captain Suhail Baluch, the President of Pakistan Airline Pilots’ Association (PALPA), said that CAA had no procedure to instrumentally guide the pilot to land on a particular runway at Islamabad airport. “Pilots depend on a visual approach to descend.”

Khalid Iqbal adds from Islamabad: Meanwhile, about 130 relatives of the unfortunate passengers reached Benazir Bhutto International Airport from Karachi through a PIA plane on government expenses.

The relatives were in a state of deep shock and grief and some were wailing on the occasion They will receive bodies of the deceased in Islamabad after DNA tests.

Some of the angry relatives of the passengers pelted stones at the airport building and raised anti-Airblue slogans on the occasion. They also raised slogans against the management for not giving information of their dead relatives.

The Airport Security Force (ASF) and police officials controlled the situation. According to Civil Aviation Authority (CAA) sources, some bodies have been recognised. The sources informed The News that the bodies of the recognised persons would be handed over to their relatives late Wednesday night or early Thursday.
 
Pressure fault caused crash: CAA official
Thursday, July 29, 2010

By Khalid Iqbal

ISLAMABAD: A bigwig of the Civil Aviation Authority (CAA) told The News on condition of anonymity that the Airblue plane crashed on Wednesday because of ‘pressure’ fault in the plane. The pressure disc or plate of plane was not working perfectly.

The CAA often warns technical staff of airlines to change pressure discs to boom pressure but technical staff takes this matter non-seriously, he said. He said that weather was not the reason of plane crash because other flights were taking off and landing perfectly. Concerned pilot could not handle the plane with dead pressure and it fell down, he said.

The second reason is that pilot was not used to the route from Karachi to Islamabad. He went from Karachi to Turkey and was handling this route from Karachi to Islamabad perhaps for the first time. There are two ‘black boxes’ of planes. One black box is for Civil Aviation Authority (CAA) and second black box handles the main control room. First black box tells concerned CAA main faults in planes and other technical problems before taking off while the second black box is in continuous contact with control room for getting green signals. Second black box related with Control Room continuously gives green signals by the plane for landing but concerned pilot was circling rather than landing, he said.

Civil Aviation Authority (CAA) Deputy Director (General) Air Vice Marshal Riaz-ul-Haq has given statement on Geo TV that they could not find out the exact reason of plane crash. We have formed a 6-member investigation committee to probe the matter. A plane could crash due to several reasons but we would find out exact reason of crash after final report of investigation committee, he said.
 
...ISLAMABAD: A bigwig of the Civil Aviation Authority (CAA) told The News on condition of anonymity that the Airblue plane crashed on Wednesday because of ‘pressure’ fault in the plane. The pressure disc or plate of plane was not working perfectly.
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& how did that "big-wig" come to know this when black-box is NOT yet found... apparently.

Geo TV(The News) also found out a Kasab in a Pakistani village but that proved to be a fabrication.... Let's be careful with news coming out of this portal.
 
Even in the deepest seas and oceans blackbox are found.
Now i can imagine millions of dollars will be spent I mean looted in the name of investigation (first loan).

Nothing can be said with assurity at this point unless complete investigations takes place.
 
Flight crew:-

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46 bodies of crash victims identified
Updated at: 0430 PST, Thursday, July 29, 2010

ISLAMABAD: At least 46 bodies of plane crash victims have been identified and handed the same over to their heirs while many charred bodies are still kept at PIMS Hospital whose identification will be determined through DNA tests, Geo News reported Thursday morning.

Federal Interior Minister Abdul Rehman Malik said DNA tests would be conducted today.

Meanwhile, Chief Commissioner Islamabad said it will take one complete week at least to complete DNA tests.

Earlier, Pakistani health officials said Wednesday they would have to use DNA tests to identify charred bodies plucked from the wreckage of an airliner that crashed into hills outside Islamabad.

"Most of the dead bodies are in pieces, only body parts, some of them badly burnt... these can only be identified through DNA," Mahmood Jamal, chief of the Pakistan Institute of Medical Sciences (PIMS) told reporters.

Officials said rescue workers had collected body parts and pieces of charred flesh into bags.

"Some 300 body bags, 40 blankets and 10 bundles of rope have been air dropped at the crash site," said the national disaster management authority.

46 bodies of crash victims identified
 
Black box recovered from the area
Updated at: 1847 PST, Wednesday, July 28, 2010

ISLAMABAD: The black box of the ill-fated flight ED 202 has been recovered from the area, Geo News reported Wednesday.

An airliner carrying 152 people crashed in a ball of flames Wednesday into densely wooded hills outside Islamabad amid heavy rain and poor visibility, killing everyone on board.

Rescue officials said pieces of charred flesh and body parts were littered around the smouldering wreckage, partially buried on a remote hillside, in the deadliest crash involving a Pakistani passenger jet in 18 years.

Useful information regarding the incident was expected from the record. It is important to mention here that there was no facility in Pakistan to decode the information from the box.

Black box recovered from the area
 
Investigators to probe possibilities of sabotage, hijacking

* Govt forms two separate teams to determine crash cause


By Tahir Niaz

ISLAMABAD: The government on Wednesday formed two separate investigation teams to determine the actual cause of the Airblue flight’s crash.

The first team, led by Federal Investigation Agency (FIA) Director General Zafarullah Khan, has been assigned the task of investigating the possibility of sabotage.

According to official sources, the plane remained in the no-fly zone for quite some time and also flew over the diplomatic enclave, the Parliament House and the Presidency before crashing into Margalla Hills.

The sources said the team would scrutinise the credentials of the passengers on the flight, keeping in mind the possibility that a suspect might have tried to use the plane as a “flying bomb” against any sensitive installation.

According to eyewitnesses, before it crashed, the plane circled over the F-5 and F-6 sectors of the federal capital, which are close to the Presidency, the PM House, the diplomatic enclave and the Parliament House.

The investigation team will also look into the possibility of hijacking of the crashed plane.

“The investigation team will look into the possibility whether the plane, flying away from the defined route, was to be used as part of an act of sabotage,” the sources said.

The government has formed another six-member team led by Air Commodore Khawaja Abdul Majeed, the Civil Aviation Authority Safety Investigation Board president, to investigate the crash.

The investigation team started its work immediately with special focus on human factors, technical fault and weather conditions.

Examination of the plane’s black box will also help the investigators in ascertaining the real cause of the crash and what was going on in the cockpit of the plane before the crash.

The team will also record the statements of eyewitnesses, who saw the plane before it crashed. Both the committees will present their findings to the federal government.

Daily Times - Leading News Resource of Pakistan
 
Question-marks rise on air defence capability

By Tahir Niaz

ISLAMABAD: The entrance of the passenger airliner into a no-fly zone and the failure of the authorities concerned to react for intercepting the plane puts a question mark on the capability of the air defence system of the country.

When asked to comment as to why the authorities concerned did not intercept the plane, as it drifted towards the no-fly zone despite repeated warnings from the CAA radar, which monitored the movement of the plane, the concerned authorities of the Pakistan Air Force (PAF), Inter-Services Public Relations (ISPR) and the civil defence organisations did not respond to the question directly. Requesting anonymity, all the three representatives of the said organisations said, “It was not the case (sabotage act) as you think. It was the country’s plane, it did not come from across the border”.

The authorities said that it was not a threat rather it (plane) lost its route in the bad weather. But the question about the timely intercepting of the plane in the no-fly zone remained unanswered. But the defence sources told Daily Times that the country’s air defence had very clear SOPs regarding the security of the Kahuta Nuclear Plant. “We have clear instructions for intercepting anything having a possibility of reaching the nuclear plant,” the source said.

Daily Times - Leading News Resource of Pakistan
 

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