Air War Is Coming:---

[Hellfire]

The only thing, albeit very important, that Pakistan has vehemently proved is its willingness to match us - this is something that we probably did not expect (unwise of us in retrospect). This can have negative repercussions as was told by @Joe Shearer and @Vibrio .

Find it hard to agree to any point of yours in the whole post. Including the line in bold.

This entire thread, after reading the first post itself, was a case of fantasies of intercepting a strike package which the adversary had no clue of. The less said the better.

For your info, read my post as below. If after such an explicit indication they are caught napping....

I must thank the Pakistani mods for allowing us to also rub them on dirt, something we Indians refuse to reciprocate in Indian forums.

Please ... quite a few egos of our countrymen and women, are being bust by me at the place I hang around at

 

[batmannow]

Just locked in? LOL. Do you have such an empty life that like Mullah Omar you get your kicks steering an imaginary steering wheel and making sounds like an F1 racer? Oh, sorry, now that you have outgrown your shorts, you are into locking in; my bad, you are now a fighter pilot, just like the Tailor of Baghdad, killing Nine at One Blow! Or are all Pakistani fighter pilots like that, nine at one blow? Leaving aside the sexy overtones, all that happened was that the flying coffins saw your precious planes scooting like scalded cats; not bad for the cats, they avoided any serious damage AND got a 1950s plane down. You do well at that; Vampires in the 65 hostilities, not to mention the civilian aircraft with a civilian crew and cargo, miles and miles of airstrip in 71, and now, real progress!

Perhaps some real professional will tell you that the IAF is actually the most disciplined and well maintained air force in the world; imagine keeping these planes flying and combat ready even today.

The fact is that you know nothing about these matters and can post nothing but posts that show that emptiness. Keep at it, you are getting to be perfect. Oh, btw, you seem to have got a lock on your own tail. Press that button. Now.



Perhaps not, perhaps yes, I could go on from there, but the bhakts are watching, and after the elections, they will be back.



You do realise that decapitation is a two-way street, and that Pakistani generals are integral to the Pakistani state in a way that Indian generals are not. If all your corps commanders are killed, your entire state will collapse like a house of cards; if all our corps commanders are killed, we wouldn't pause even a moment.

LOL it's an honor to be evn talked with mullah UMAR the legendary commander who let the world's Supreme power begging for talks now after 18 years of , deadly war?
What a resolve that mullah Umar had!
Your knowledge about Pakistan seems lacking even the basic information?
Do u know what Pakistanis no 1 hobby is?
Buying guns and best of automatics, belive me, if we didn't had our army, in our country, we would hve, captured india a million times?
Doesn't matters Whatever would be the consequences were be?
And just imagine it's just a few civilians like masood azhar who u guys are crying for imagine what if whole Pakistan joins him, which our army is holding on rightly, so we can come out of that of our trible mindset from the centuries of war culture in us?
We thought ,India made great progress because it has a secular system which gives everyone same and equal opportunity in life but tht was just a old page from a dusted book???
Jst accept the reality which other has accepted after battling decades that no Muslim state can be conquered with use of any kind of weapons, it only can be defeated only with love and trust.
From Iraq to Libya, or sirya ask the ones who attacked, them why thy are running away now?
While whole world is still laughing at Indian airforce which can't keep its flying cofins falling from skies averagly nearly every Sunday?
And the dammed F35 killer the TEJAS, world's longest running fighter jet project which still can't be adopted by IAF on a scale of war situation ?
IAF is jst a petty force which been pushed for death, to keep a few hindu extermists ego alive
World is laughing , about the payloads on balakot and world will keep laughing on the state of IAF and the bjp fan boys, who wants to kill its airforce just to feel good and ignoring the whole worlds sympathic calls to stop that war prapoganda alive for modis voting???
Worls is laughing how a poor indian been fooled by few unidentified self created photoshoped pics of the so called surgical strike, world is laughing
In the end yea I Wana feel, Tht how our thunders locked that abinanadans tail, and then fired him down to ground, you know how it feels, like u been abhinandan and I'm the brave Hassan locking you out and then giving u a cup of tea, no you can't feel that, cause you been shot and humiliated in front of whole world? Thts wht I felt when I locked your tail here on PDF , come on try some thing bigger rolls right or left try your cobra stunts, but in the end I I'll shoot you down same as abhinandan?
Jst feel it?

 

[Hellfire]

can you prove it?

Au contraire, what is the probability that he is not being sarcastic?

But on topic, generally mods are okay, except the ones who are challenged with the inability to understand English as a written language and their limitation becomes apparent when they assume a mere usage of a word deficient in their vocabulary to be an instance of learning a new word on part of the other.

Those kinds exist, who 'warn' you because they could not understand squat of what was being said and failed to process.

 

[V. Makarov]

Hi,

There is a heavy prediction of a future air to air conflict in the coming days---. India is getting some serious advice from " foreign mercenaries " in how to attack and destroy Paf---.

Right now is the lull before the storm---. Pakistan is not going to gain anything by looking for peace or acting peaceful---.

Paf might suffer heavily at the hands of the enemy---. It made the ultimate blunder in combat by not attacking the enemy the first time---.

That was the moment to escalate the situation and knock out the enemy ingressing aircraft right then and there at the border---.

It would have been possible to shoot down at least 15 --- 20 enemy aircraft at three different places of incursion.

Now that would have shown the preparedness of the air force against a surprise attack and its will to fight---.

But letting the enemy go was a show of Incompetence and a lack of decision making under duress by the pakistani Air Chief Marshall Mujahid Anwar---.

Prime Minster must order the military chief to court martial the Air chief marshall for a lackadaisical approach against enemy force during first strike and dismiss him from service in total disgrace---.

The result of the second skirmish set up by the Paf had more predictability in favoring the Paf---due to the trap setup by the Paf---. The trap was of a limited setup----then locking and pointing the strike weapons away from the original lock was strange as well---. Why play that game---.

At this moment---the enemy is not beaten---but it is baffled---

You talk of the trap set up by PAF which knocked down two of their jets but ignore the trap that IAF could have layed down for our jets. Imagine 4 Pakistan F16s chasing down SU30s into IOK and getting shot down by Mig 21s that were there waiting in low altitude (what Pakistan did to iaf). Anyways not responding at the time, there and then , proved to be a blessing as it saved Pakistan from being in a possibly totally different scenario.
Now another aspect of looking at this question of responding at that night involves the realization that it is difficult to counter a well planned all out air force attack specially if there is use of stand off weapons. An example is that of Pakistan which targeted 80km inside IOK from Pakistan's own territory or very shallow inside the IOK. In the modern warfare there is no room for quick unplanned responses which is exactle what PAF demonstrated. I believe that our PAF already knew this type of Indian plan of attack and thought it best to give a befitting response to the Indians in the form of a surprise the very next morning and not at that night.
You are right to say that the picture would have been quite different if all 14 Indian jets were downed by PAF that night but that would be misplaced idealism and wrong estimation of enemy war capacity.
Pakistan has made her point to the Indian army and air force that morning 10 am, if not the government of India. Also , the message that Pakistan gave to the world powers regarding the Pakistani response they should expect in case of further Indian misadventure, is also going to change the stance of the powers with regards to India-Pakistan conflict.

 

[thinkingcap81]

Find it hard to agree to any point of yours in the whole post. Including the line in bold.

This entire thread, after reading the first post itself, was a case of fantasies of intercepting a strike package which the adversary had no clue of. The less said the better.

For your info, read my post as below. If after such an explicit indication they are caught napping....


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I had read your post (which you have shown here) within a couple of days of your posting it. I search for your posts with the search button.

I do agree that PAF could not stop IAF ingress. Whether it was due to negligence or lack of resources to monitor the complete border is not something i can estimate.

An attempt to shoot down 15-20 aircraft of IAF for this kinda thing is downright silly. I wonder if in between some out-of-box thoughts @MastanKhan chooses to put in something ridiculous.

I am just a civilian trying not to react to one-sided information - hence i need to take both perspectives into account and yet see what is our gain in this.

@Oscar said that PAF achieved air superiority. I allowed myself to agree with him, while still believing that an F-16 can be shot.

Can MKIs dodge 4+ AIM-120C5 with the electronic countermeasures that MKI and other assets have - this in the context of the air battle that actually took place.

If it is true that a lot of PAF aircraft came and we had less aircraft to push them back, then what to make of this?

Pakistani members have put forth their versions, in some detail, of what actually happened. Indian members have not.

Please ... quite a few egos of our countrymen and women, are being bust by me at the place I hang around at

You are an Indian busting fantasies of fellow Indians, while i meant Pakistanis in an Indian forum counter-arguing Indians. At least BR seems bad in this aspect.

But as you know, one can be always be dismissive and contemptuous of others while allowing them just to speak - this seems to be the general policy here.

 

[Joe Shearer]

Oh ol' Joe, why hit them so hard? Great to see someone turn it back on them.

I must thank the Pakistani mods for allowing us to also rub them on dirt, something we Indians refuse to reciprocate in Indian forums.

Indian forums are pathetic. The whole reason why I cling on to the hope of peace, medium-term, with the people and nation of Pakistan is the chivalry and courteous behaviour of a significant segment of Pakistani members. These are rare traits in this world of today, and it is worth our every effort to make the nation to which these people belong a friend of our own.

If I express my opinion about PDF Mods, I will be tried and shot at dawn at the court of 'bhakt' opinion. Suffice it to say that they are a shield and a bulwark.

 

[crankthatskunk]

You do realise that decapitation is a two-way street, and that Pakistani generals are integral to the Pakistani state in a way that Indian generals are not. If all your corps commanders are killed, your entire state will collapse like a house of cards; if all our corps commanders are killed, we wouldn't pause even a moment.

Lots of assumptions in your post. I think assumptions are part of Indian's stupid thinking. For years you have been boosting, trying to prove it to the world that you are a super power and should be recognised as one.
One incident, one response, and your narrative in the world has bitten the dust. So you think, one lesson of busted ego is not enough for you!!
What would have happened if had fired the missile on your COAS, turning him to ashes!!
You would have responded by destroying Pakistan!!!
Let's see what you could really do!! Fire few missiles and attack few targets. What next!!! Didn't the exact message sent to India when the intel on preparation of Missile strike by India and Israel reached Pakistanis!!
Why you didn't target Pakistani sites as you were planning!!
To summarise it.
1- After Pakistan's response in the broad day light, Indians have gone quiet. No retaliation, no air strikes. Why!!
Did Indian lose all its air force!!
2- Why Modi said that if India had Rafale the result would have been different!! He discarded whole of Indian air force and accepted India cannot respond to Pakistan day light attack.
3- After Pakistan threatened to respond with a ratio of 1/3 and attack 12 of Indian major population centers. Indian's missile threat for now is busted too.
This analysis is now supported by Indians who have a thing called brain.

I can only laugh at your stupid remarks on killing of Corps commanders.
Same thing would happen to Pakistan army, the lower generals would come up, exactly like what would happen in India if all their corps commanders are killed.

For time being you should ponder, if didn't show leniency and actually killed your COAS and other generals.
Sweet dreams.

 

[JonAsad]

Air War is coming - can't get Bruce Wayne accent out of the way..

 

[thinkingcap81]

I, being on the verge of senility, assumed he was being serious.

You, sir, are a very senile person.

 

[Joe Shearer]

I had read your post (which you have shown here) within a couple of days of your posting it. I search for your posts with the search button.

I do agree that PAF could not stop IAF ingress. Whether it was due to negligence or lack of resources to monitor the complete border is not something i can estimate.

An attempt to shoot down 15-20 aircraft of IAF for this kinda thing is downright silly. I wonder if in between some out-of-box thoughts @MastanKhan chooses to put in something ridiculous.

I am just a civilian trying not to react to one-sided information - hence i need to take both perspectives into account and yet see what is our gain in this.

@Oscar said that PAF achieved air superiority. I allowed myself to agree with him, while still believing that an F-16 can be shot.

Can MKIs dodge 4+ AIM-120C5 with the electronic countermeasures that MKI and other assets have - this in the context of the air battle that actually took place.

If it is true that a lot of PAF aircraft came and we had less aircraft to push them back, then what to make of this?

Pakistani members have put forth their versions, in some detail, of what actually happened. Indian members have not.



You are an Indian busting fantasies of fellow Indians, while i meant Pakistanis in an Indian forum counter-arguing Indians. At least BR seems bad in this aspect.

But as you, one can be always dismissive and contemptuous of others while allowing them just to speak - this seems to be the policy here.

The only saving grace of BR, from my recollections of ten years ago, is the presence of a person otherwise known on YouTube as CyberSurg (he goes by another name on BR).

Disclaimer: He is a hawk about Pakistan; I am not. His videos are impeccable.

 

[thinkingcap81]

are you saying that @Vibrio gauged you correctly? now senile and saddened

Yes @Vibrio has a good estimate of me; thankfully he chooses to reply to my calls.

according to my theory joe is either a owner/co-owner or is 2nd ID of a mod/admin

2nd id of @AgNoStiC MuSliM ? Time to cool down things here .

 

[Wa Muhammada]

He was sacked..Bro because of his team did blunder shoot down own helicopter killing all six, 01 mig-21 down pilot captured with chitrool, 01 SU-30 down 01 pilot dead at CMH "Pakistan" body handed over to Red Cross since you people refuse to accept it other pilot who landed in IOK "fate unknown"...

Bro

Source/link for the Red Cross story?

 

[Joe Shearer]

LOL it's an honor to be evn talked with mullah UMAR the legendary commander who let the world's Supreme power begging for talks now after 18 years of , deadly war?
What a resolve that mullah Umar had!

That effectively defines our positions most satisfactorily.

Your knowledge about Pakistan seems lacking even the basic information?

Possibly. We are about to suffer a lengthy and windy essay explaining this in detail, so seatbelts on.

Do u know what Pakistanis no 1 hobby is?

Is a breathy 'No!', and a wide-open gaze and a seat on the edge of my chair an acceptable response?

Buying guns and best of automatics, belive me, if we didn't had our army, in our country, we would hve, captured india a million times?

I look forward to your dissolving your Army. Could you suggest a date?

Doesn't matters Whatever would be the consequences were be?

No doubt this has pertinence. I will consult a colleague who is a linguist.

And just imagine it's just a few civilians like masood azhar who u guys are crying for imagine what if whole Pakistan joins him, which our army is holding on rightly, so we can come out of that of our trible mindset from the centuries of war culture in us?

The possibility exists. Let us hope, but let us not hold our breath. A Pakistan without an Army and with your tribal mindset is a daunting prospect. Consider 1.2 billion people to be shaking with fear.

We thought ,India made great progress because it has a secular system which gives everyone same and equal opportunity in life but tht was just a old page from a dusted book???

Wrong verb, wrong action and it is always a mistake to fight with books; those things are lethal.

Rather more than automatics and other guns, but individuals such as you will find out for yourself within a couple of centuries.

Jst accept the reality which other has accepted after battling decades that no Muslim state can be conquered with use of any kind of weapons, it only can be defeated only with love and trust.
From Iraq to Libya, or sirya ask the ones who attacked, them why thy are running away now?

Yes you are right; the Libyans, the Tunisians, the Syrians, the Iraqis, the Afghans, all are quite on top of the situation and everyone in sight is running away from them.

Do you live in a situation where professional help is available?

While whole world is still laughing at Indian airforce which can't keep its flying cofins falling from skies averagly nearly every Sunday?

Yes, we heard your pilots laughing especially hard. In particular, Air Chief Marshal Parvaiz Mehdi Qureshi. You might have heard of him.

And the dammed F35 killer the TEJAS, world's longest running fighter jet project which still can't be adopted by IAF on a scale of war situation ?

What is a scale of war situation? Something to do with tribal mindsets and connected to automatics and other such guns?

Do tribal mindsets include the meaning of FOC?

IAF is jst a petty force which been pushed for death, to keep a few hindu extermists ego alive
World is laughing , about the payloads on balakot and world will keep laughing on the state of IAF and the bjp fan boys, who wants to kill its airforce just to feel good and ignoring the whole worlds sympathic calls to stop that war prapoganda alive for modis voting???
Worls is laughing how a poor indian been fooled by few unidentified self created photoshoped pics of the so called surgical strike, world is laughing

I note that you are laughing, and think that the world is laughing. This can be treated effectively.

In the end yea I Wana feel, Tht how our thunders locked that abinanadans tail, and then fired him down to ground, you know how it feels, like u been abhinandan and I'm the brave Hassan locking you out and then giving u a cup of tea, no you can't feel that, cause you been shot and humiliated in front of whole world? Thts wht I felt when I locked your tail here on PDF , come on try some thing bigger rolls right or left try your cobra stunts, but in the end I I'll shoot you down same as abhinandan?
Jst feel it?

Actually, I hope it doesn't humiliate you to be reminded that your hero has nothing to do with a tribal mindset. That he is from a completely different cultural heritage. Why is it that your greatest heros are Bihari?

I, being on the verge of senility, assumed he was being serious.

according to my theory joe is either a owner/co-owner or is 2nd ID of a mod/admin
according to my observations two mods (Arsalan, Dubious) are definitely Pakistanis

why do I believe this?
have you seen the caliber of "Pakistani" posters Vs. Indians?

No shit, Sherlock.

@Dubious, please believe that I had nothing to do with these provocative remarks. My sincere apologies for having written in style similar to yours.

@Arsalan, you are doomed. Mene Mene Tekel Upharsin.

 

[VCheng]

No shit, Sherlock.

@Dubious, please believe that I had nothing to do with these provocative remarks. My sincere apologies for having written in style similar to yours.

@Arsalan, you are doomed. Mene Mene Tekel Upharsin.

Please stop using your intellect against a defenseless person. I thought you were better than to take advantage of such an evident disparity.

 

[Maarkhoor]

Bro

Source/link for the Red Cross story?

Our forces and Govt don't wants to more humiliate India to the point they would have to go for war.

I, being on the verge of senility, assumed he was being serious.

according to my theory joe is either a owner/co-owner or is 2nd ID of a mod/admin
according to my observations two mods (Arsalan, Dubious) are definitely Pakistanis

why do I believe this?
have you seen the caliber of "Pakistani" posters Vs. Indians?

His name is Abdul and working for ISI, His family suffer a lot during Gujrat riots so he wants to kill Modi. @Joe Shearer I blow your cover.

Khuda Hafiz, Abdul