Air Forces Monthly - summary of updates to JF-17

[Gripen9]

9. Good info on the HMD/S. No word on the origin (likely China), but they're lighter and require custom-fit helmets. Interesting detail as it suggests that the PAF could be changing its standard-issue helmet from the HGU-55/P. Of the custom helmet makers I know of, they make carbon-fiber kits. So, I wonder, if the PAF will issue new custom helmets to everyone so that they're all set for the day they may need to add on the HMD/S from JF-17 or J-10CE. We've been seeing a bunch of MSA helmets as of late (especially with the Mirage III/5 crew), so I wonder...

MRI of the head and then use 3D printers to print helmets in house.

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

exactly. datalink 16 buddy...

I think it's link 17. Anyway, what's in a name?

A TurAF F16 downed a Syrian jet using link 16 while shutting off its radar in the midst of the Russian AD....

APG-80 are exclusively on the Emirati Block 60 F-16s, better then any radar put on any F-16 in service with the USAF or any other export customer. If true, that the J-10CE’s radar matches the APG-80, the PAF has made a great acquisition.

On what basis do you say the J-10’s radar’s performance is just as good as the APG-80? T/R module count of the GaN modules?

GaN is an order better in performance than GaAs devices...

 

[FuturePAF]

I think it's link 17. Anyway, what's in a name?

A TurAF F16 downed a Syrian jet using link 16 while shutting off its radar in the midst of the Russian AD....

GaN is an order better in performance than GaAs devices...

Does the APG-80 use GaA T/R Modules?

 

[GumNaam]

APG-80 are exclusively on the Emirati Block 60 F-16s, better then any radar put on any F-16 in service with the USAF or any other export customer. If true, that the J-10CE’s radar matches the APG-80, the PAF has made a great acquisition.

On what basis do you say the J-10’s radar’s performance is just as good as the APG-80? T/R module count of the GaN modules?

I'm just going off of what I've read on this forum:

Why Chengdu J-10C 4.5th Gen Fighter Can Easily Eat Alive F-16 Block 52 ?

In case of Taiwan Island Conflict Air Battle between China's Air Force Chengdu J-10C vs ROCAF F-16 Block 52, it will be an easy prey for J-10C pilots to shot down their enemy. It shows us, that Chinese Air Force (Chengdu J-10C) can easily decimated ROCAF (F-16 Block 52) very easily. The most 2...

defence.pk

 

[Saudang]

It'll be AWACS that'll take it from here. In fact, JF17 may not even need to turn its radar on, it'll see what the AWACS sees and once it launches, the AWACS takes over and guides the PL15 to its target. poor baby rafale won't even know where the PL15 came from.

why do you think that its going to be one sided action by PAF? why can't meteor with similar or better capabilities, range and data link do the same to JF -17 as you anticipate PL-15 will do.

More matured comment will help us stick to the topic rather than tilting towads trolling

 

[Thorough Pro]

@SQ8
Actually, it also says that the Radar range is more than any current or future BVRAAM to be inducted in the program

Unclear - but it just tells you what a long stick the PL-15 really is.
People are free to tag others as they wish.

 

[GumNaam]

why do you think that its going to be one sided action by PAF? why can't meteor with similar or better capabilities, range and data link do the same to JF -17 as you anticipate PL-15 will do.

More matured comment will help us stick to the topic rather than tilting towads trolling

two simple reasons:
1. meteor just doesn't have the kind of range that the PL15 does. on top of that, meteor is ramjet engine, which means it needs to be at an altitude where the air isn't thin. that naturally puts limitations on the altitude it can be launched at and the range it will achieve based on how thin the air is. no other country, including China, Russia u.s. & isreal bothered with ramjet powered air to air missles for a reason.
2. We know more about the rafale than you will ever know about the J10C or the JF17 blk3. don't ever fighter this picture:

 

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[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

Does the APG-80 use GaA T/R Modules?

I have no clue...

Fabricating GaN devices with a high degree of performance, repeatability and reliability is damn difficult! So, if some folks can perfect this "art" it's a great achievement. If Pak has access to these devices from China then the rest may be comparetively easy....

 

[Riz]

If our Jf-17 can fire a 200+ km BVR , then why we are buying J-10c for ? Are we going to get PL-21 aka AWACs killer mijjiles with J-10c ??

 

[GumNaam]

so...panjnad = Pakistani spectra?

some clarifications regarding the panjnad, it's not domestic and it is an extensive mounted pod, not internal.

Clarification on JF-17 Thunder's KG-600/700 SPJ Jamming Pod - Pakistan Strategic Forum

Some 2-3 days ago a picture (Show Below) came on “Social Media” by “Zohaib Malik” an excellent aviation photographer which shows JF-17 Thunder carrying a targeting pod under his belly hard point. Many experts, pages, groups & other “Social Media” platforms started posting the name of this...

pakstrategic.com

If our Jf-17 can fire a 200+ km BVR , then why we are buying J-10c for ? Are we going to get PL-21 aka AWACs killer mijjiles with J-10c ??

I wouldn't be surprised. besides, J10Cs have deeper strike range. It's classified as a lightweight fighter like the F16 but let's face it, given the payload it can carry, for all intents and purposes, it's a medium weight fighter.

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

So now we have home made EW suite (Panjnad) on blk 3

It's a master stroke by itself! It might also suggest the PAF engineers have got access to the high power/frequency devices and ultra-high speed computational platforms from some sources to implement their very own "imagination" in the EW domain.....

Imagination is more important than knowledge - Albert Einstein

 

[Saudang]

two simple reasons:
1. meteor just doesn't have the kind of range that the PL15 does. on top of that, meteor is ramjet engine, which means it needs to be at an altitude where the air isn't thin. that naturally puts limitations on the altitude it can be launched at and the range it will achieve based on how thin the air is. no other country, including China, Russia and u.s. bothered with ramjet powered air to air missles for a reason.
2. We know more about the rafale than you will ever know about the J10C or the JF17 blk3. don't ever fighter this picture:
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1. ranges for either PL-15 or Meteor are never published officially. All the ranges quoted either 150/200/300 Km are fanboy created hype, fuelled by uncorroborated defence reports

2. Access to premium fighters like J10 or Rafale is not that easy. India has close military ties with Myanmar, and by that logic, IAF pilots can also demand joy rides in JF17

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

If our Jf-17 can fire a 200+ km BVR , then why we are buying J-10c for ? Are we going to get PL-21 aka AWACs killer mijjiles with J-10c ??

02-26 to 28 have shown nothing needs to be left to the "second guesses", "benefit of the doubt" etc.! Once you see the IAF platforms in your range kill them ASAP...

No wonder they have taken out Bipin, the top Hindutva warrior, for he messed it up all beyond repair for them (the Marawari/Jain/Parsi etc. tycoons whose sole purpose is to garner wealth without any bounds).....

 

[SQ8]

why do you think that its going to be one sided action by PAF? why can't meteor with similar or better capabilities, range and data link do the same to JF -17 as you anticipate PL-15 will do.

More matured comment will help us stick to the topic rather than tilting towads trolling

Here is an interesting tidbit - back in 2004 when the PAF was trying to get the M2k-5 and the French pushed the Rafale - the PAF team that was briefed on it was also briefed on the Meteor. At that time the JF-17 was being envisioned with the French avionics kit and the RC-400 radar coupled with Mica EMs initially. The French in trying to convince the PAF to spend excess billions which it didn’t have as India did eventually also suggested the RC-400 could interface with the meteor. So, while never as detailed as actual users the PAF knew about the Meteor and when MMRCA began was looking for contingencies.
The meteor as great of a missile it is was designed a decade before the PL-15 came in. More importantly, the Chinese are targeting the United States as their primary threat - you guys are just outgunned and outranged by them as happenstance. Pakistan deserves no “credit” for that.

Frankly, India has itself to blame for delays in getting a MMRCA. Be it any western aircraft India would have outsticked the PAF in larger numbers.