Air Force Question Thread

[Pakistani Fighter]

@Gryphon sir I saw u mentioning about Air Launched Brahmos and then after CM 400AKG on Thunders. Brahmos is a terrian hugging cruise missile whereas CM 400 AKG has ballistic missile trajectory. So CM 400AKG will easily gets intercepted by Air defence right as compared to Brahmos?

 

[Gryphon]

@Gryphon sir I saw u mentioning about Air Launched Brahmos and then after CM 400AKG on Thunders. Brahmos is a terrian hugging cruise missile whereas CM 400 AKG has ballistic missile trajectory. So CM 400AKG will easily gets intercepted by Air defence right as compared to Brahmos?

After launch, the CM-400AKG climbs to altitudes unachievable for most SAMs, and in the terminal stage dives on its target at Mach 5+, so unless there are BMDs deployed, interception is unlikely.

 

[StormBreaker]

After launch, the CM-400AKG climbs to altitudes unachievable for most SAMs, and in the terminal stage dives on its target at Mach 5+, so unless there are BMDs deployed, interception is unlikely.

Can the CIWS on Vikramaditoa counter CM-400 ? Most likely NEVER

 

[Gryphon]

Can the CIWS on Vikramaditoa counter CM-400 ? Most likely NEVER

The CM-400AKG isn't classified as an anti-ship missile at all - both by the user (PAF) and the seller (AVIC).

It is an air-to-ground missile as the G in its name indicates. IIRC, the missile employs no active seeker either.

 

[Ghost 125]

As PAF looking up for diversification in its fleet and wanted to replace their Mirages with a potent aircraft, so is PAF looking for some options?

In order to replace 200+ Mirages operational in its fleet require replacement and there are several options available like:
1. 40 EF-2000s (with KSA support & also JAS-39 is not available / IAF already have Rafael)
2. 40-60 SU-35 from Russia.
3. 40-60 SU-57 from Russia.

These 120-160 Aircraft will be enough to replace 200+ Mirages in PAF fleet easily. As 170-200+ JF-17s are replacing 175+ F-7 models and already replaced 50+ A-5Cs from PAF.

As project AZM will be replacing old F-16s first.

And there's at least 10 years for the 1st AZM jet to join PAF.

we dont have 200+ Mirages, we ve only 4 or 5 operational Mirage squadrons that hardly mkes 80 to 100 Max

 

[jupiter2007]

we dont have 200+ Mirages, we ve only 4 or 5 operational Mirage squadrons that hardly mkes 80 to 100 Max

We are still flying F-7s and Mirage. Out of 90 mirage V and 65 Mirage iii, Only hand full of mirage went through rose 2 and 3 upgrade. In total, We have more than 250 older fighter planes, including 100 to 135 F-7s, which should have been replaced by 2018.

Mirage Sqd 7, 8, 15, 22, 25, 27
F-7s sqd 17, 18, 20, 23

 

[Ghost 125]

We are still flying F-7s and Mirage. Out of 90 mirage V and 65 Mirage iii, Only hand full of mirage went through rose 2 and 3 upgrade. In total, We have more than 250 older fighter planes, including 100 to 135 F-7s, which should have been replaced by 2018.

Mirage Sqd 7, 8, 15, 22, 25, 27
F-7s sqd 17, 18, 20, 23

we are flying them but as i said the num of squadrons are less only 6 squadron that makes roughly 120 if at max strength, 4 F 7 squadrons means max 80

 

[jupiter2007]

we are flying them but as i said the num of squadrons are less only 6 squadron that makes roughly 120 if at max strength, 4 F 7 squadrons means max 80

It is still 200. We are only planing to build 60 planes (B3 and dual seats B2) in next 6 years, and Project AZM won’t be ready until 2030. PAF is not planning to acquire any new platform in next 10 years. Even if USA agreed to sell new F-16s, it won’t be more than 18. Acquiring older F-16s should be much easier now then 2 years ago. 18 new and 18 older F-16s, that’s 36 planes if IK play his cards correctly.

Question still remains, how are we going to replace 200 older planes?

 

[StormBreaker]

It is still 200. We are only planing to build 60 planes (B3 and dual seats B2) in next 6 years, and Project AZM won’t be ready until 2030.
How are we going to replace 200 older planes?

Don’t forget those 60 you are quoting are simple for Air force which is a huge number in five years. In the mean time, we can expect from Navy as well to order Block 3s. I always had a feeling that baby was waiting for Block 3 and maybe some optimized ew variant as well for their possible future air arm. Even if navy gives order, we have enough production capacity to fulfill that as well along with airforce and exports

 

[jupiter2007]

Don’t forget those 60 you are quoting are simple for Air force which is a huge number in five years. In the mean time, we can expect from Navy as well to order Block 3s. I always had a feeling that baby was waiting for Block 3 and maybe some optimized ew variant as well for their possible future air arm. Even if navy gives order, we have enough production capacity to fulfill that as well along with airforce and exports

We don’t have the capacity to build more than 18 planes per year for both domestic and international orders.

 

[StormBreaker]

We don’t have the capacity to build more than 18 planes per year for both domestic and international orders.

We can exceed 20 and can go for 24 !!!
We have enough capacity Alhamdullilah

 

[Ahmet Pasha]

Export zaroor hona chahiye JF17 ko we can make it the MiG21 of 21st century, a staple of every 3rd(some 1st) world countries.

We can exceed 20 and can go for 24 !!!
We have enough capacity Alhamdullilah

 

[Pakistani Fighter]

It is still 200. We are only planing to build 60 planes (B3 and dual seats B2) in next 6 years, and Project AZM won’t be ready until 2030. PAF is not planning to acquire any new platform in next 10 years. Even if USA agreed to sell new F-16s, it won’t be more than 18. Acquiring older F-16s should be much easier now then 2 years ago. 18 new and 18 older F-16s, that’s 36 planes if IK play his cards correctly.

Question still remains, how are we going to replace 200 older planes?

Why not buy from Norway and upgrade all of them?

 

[jupiter2007]

Why not buy from Norway and upgrade all of them?

That's always an option but It has to be approved by USA government.

The idea of local production of Hongdu L-15B in Pakistan was floating few years back but Chinese was asking too much money for it. It's not worth spending 15 million for each.

 

[GriffinsRule]

We also have Mirages that are barely 20 years old and have a lot of life left in them. Expect to see a small batch of Mirages flying in PAF for another 2 decades.