Air chief witnesses live missile firing of JF-17 Thunder

[TheDarkKnight]

Most tests are done against drones and the KJL-7 is a fairly decent radar with A2A performance similar to APG-68.

The real kicker for the JF-17 is that in many engagements with the block-52, the viper pilots have difficulty figuring out where the JF-17 is if it decides to hunt in passive mode. It has a small RCS anyway and when working with its datalink its difficult to detect until it powers up its radar to get a lock and send a SD-10 on its way.
Additionally in those cases, either due to its low power output or otherwise - even under jamming the JF-17 is not picked up on the F-16s RWR until it’s already locked and shooting.

Is this for block 1 or 2? If Block 2 gives a more than decent fight to F16 blk 52, how do you perceive the current block 2 and future block 3 against the upcomming IAF Rafales?

 

[SQ8]

Is this for block 1 or 2? If Block 2 gives a more than decent fight to F16 blk 52, how do you perceive the current block 2 and future block 3 against the upcomming IAF Rafales?

Both.

Its not about one aircraft against another but one system(aircraft, ground radar, aew, pilot) against another.
Flown properly, the JF-17 block-1 is a serious threat to the Rafale.

 

[The Eagle]

I posed the question to a well connected source asking that since the JF-17 have been patrolling armed with SD-10 for a while now, so what was the purpose of this test. This was the reply.

Successful firing of BVR missile at a low RCS target.... much lower RCS than any aircraft also keeping in mind that the target was a slow moving drone. !!

@Oscar @Dazzler @Taimoor Khan @Bratva @The Eagle

The platform has evolved a lot & I remember when Chinese Pilot from last exercise, shared his experience against JF-17 that hard to find yet if its bite, will not let you go. The said test style keeping in mind of all mixes, actually tells that JF-17 is a deadly threat to rivals fleet if flown in pack with data and all.

 

[araz]

Most tests are done against drones and the KJL-7 is a fairly decent radar with A2A performance similar to APG-68.

The real kicker for the JF-17 is that in many engagements with the block-52, the viper pilots have difficulty figuring out where the JF-17 is if it decides to hunt in passive mode. It has a small RCS anyway and when working with its datalink its difficult to detect until it powers up its radar to get a lock and send a SD-10 on its way.
Additionally in those cases, either due to its low power output or otherwise - even under jamming the JF-17 is not picked up on the F-16s RWR until it’s already locked and shooting.

I had a conversation with an Ex RAF pilot who had flown the EFT. He was full of praises for his fighter but said something jnteresting. All RAF jockeys considered the Gripen to be a more potent threat than the Rafale due to its small size and inability to see it till too late. We had a good look at the Gripen and some people say the design philosophy was similar. Not a surprise that the 16 jockdys are finding a similar situation with the Thunder. Addvent of AESA and better countermeasures will make it even more potent. However there is still a lot of work to go in to the fighter.
A statement which came from the ACM regarding the Bl.3. being the matured product made me think though. Are we going to take it further or just keep producing the bl3.
A

 

[CriticalThought]

I had a conversation with an Ex RAF pilot who had flown the EFT. He was full of praises for his fighter but said something jnteresting. All RAF jockeys considered the Gripen to be a more potent threat than the Rafale due to its small size and inability to see it till too late. We had a good look at the Gripen and some people say the design philosophy was similar. Not a surprise that the 16 jockdys are finding a similar situation with the Thunder. Addvent of AESA and better countermeasures will make it even more potent. However there is still a lot of work to go in to the fighter.
A statement which came from the ACM regarding the Bl.3. being the matured product made me think though. Are we going to take it further or just keep producing the bl3.
A

The good thing is that we are partnering with CAC AND most of the development happens there. It MAY come down to PAC deciding for or against a Block 4 that gets developed by CAC anyway. Just a possibility. At that point, a similar argument as current Vipers may apply: we already have the infrastructure so why not get more.

 

[araz]

The good thing is that we are partnering with CAC AND most of the development happens there. It MAY come down to PAC deciding for or against a Block 4 that gets developed by CAC anyway. Just a possibility. At that point, a similar argument as current Vipers may apply: we already have the infrastructure so why not get more.

I think the lack of choice with regards to other platforms to induct plus how far one progresses with the 5th generation programme will determine how much effort we put into bringing out bl. 4/ 5. There is also a question aboht the upgradability of the platform which will need to be considered.
A

 

[CriticalThought]

I think the lack of choice with regards to other platforms to induct plus how far one progresses with the 5th generation programme will determine how much effort we put into bringing out bl. 4/ 5. There is also a question aboht the upgradability of the platform which will need to be considered.
A

I would call it a lack of reliable andcist effective options. If we are ready to pour money, many jets are available. But most are sanction prone, high on maintenance, or end up NOT diversifying the pool of vendors.

 

[GriffinsRule]

I think the lack of choice with regards to other platforms to induct plus how far one progresses with the 5th generation programme will determine how much effort we put into bringing out bl. 4/ 5. There is also a question aboht the upgradability of the platform which will need to be considered.
A

Regardless of how the 5 gen fighter development takes place, JF-17 will be in PAF for the next 30 years so we will see a lot of later blocks with new or upgraded capabilities, similar to the F-16s now going on to Block 70 with Taiwan, Bahrain and others

 

[Adam WANG SHANGHAI MEGA]

枭龙最新打靶成功！巴军司令庆功，中国人面孔频频闪现典礼现场
加特林 2018-02-18 09:47:35
本月，中国为巴基斯坦设计的JF-17枭龙战斗机，在巴国全新靶场进行了关键打靶！

一声巨响后，JF-17枭龙战斗机将靶机凌空击落！现场观摩的巴基斯坦空军司令。巴媒体高调表扬称：“这是巴空军，乃至全国里程碑性的时刻！”

枭龙战斗机在这次打靶中，发射一枚中国提供的SD10A中距主动雷达空空导弹（上图），在视距之外将低速飞行的靶机凌空击落！

打靶前靶场人员放飞红色涂装的靶机

摄影机获得的正在正常飞行的靶机的图像

接着，枭龙发射的SD10A导弹，成功拦截靶机，将其炸成一个大火球

打靶是在中国协助建设的巴基斯坦桑米亚尼靶场进行的，巴空军总司令阿曼、副司令帕拉卡等要员到场观摩。桑米亚尼靶场，是巴基斯坦第一个能够完成超视距空空导弹打靶全过程监控的靶场，也是世界上少有的可以完成这一任务的靶场。

巴基斯坦在中国的协助下，再一次超越了貌似强大的印度，不仅战机导弹先进，配套的靶场等支持设施也开始全面超越。

巴空军领导鼓掌欢庆打靶成功

巴基斯坦空军中由中国设计的JF-17枭龙战斗机，通过这次打靶，证实完全具备在视距外（通常要求为40公里以上）摧毁敌机的实际能力，全世界也只有不太多的国家能够做到！其中使用主动雷达空空导弹的更不多！

要强调是，击落低速目标，要比击落高速目标的难度相差无几。低速目标可以采用更低的飞行高度，与地面背景混杂，干扰使用雷达制导技术的导弹，这一技术挑战非比寻常。

航展上展示的枭龙携带的中国SD10A中距主动雷达制导空空导弹。该导弹类似于中国霹雳12空空导弹。

中国SD10A空空导弹，拥有最先进的主动雷达制导模式，也被称为"闪电10"。该弹与美军现役最先进的AIM-120导弹水平相当。直径203毫米，重接近200公斤，长接近4米。该导弹射程超过了70公里，最大速度4马赫。它具备全天候、全方位攻击空中目标的能力。

它在巴空军中服役，使得该国空军拥有了超越印度的俄罗斯R77主动雷达空空导弹的武器，后者有着不小的可靠性问题。

阿曼司令在庆典讲话中，表扬了巴基斯坦、中国两国人员在靶场建设与这次打靶中的共同努力！

中方人员在庆典中频频亮相

巴空军司令与巴中双方人员在现场交流

巴中双方人员留影纪念，背景是靶场跟踪遥测设备

巴空军司令阿曼进行的庆典讲话，高度赞许了巴中两国联合完成的这一创举的意义：“这次打靶，证明了JF-17枭龙战斗机拥有多种打击能力。巴基斯坦空军已经有6个装备枭龙战斗机的战斗机中队，我们为此自豪。枭龙已经是巴基斯坦空防的骨干力量！”

JF 17 Thunder (Xiaolong) latest target training well succeeded!

Gatlin 2018-02-18 09:47:35
This month, JF-17 Xiaolong fighter designed by China for Pakistan made a key target in a new range in Pakistan.

A loud noise, JF-17 Xiaolong fighters will target volley down! Pakistani Air Force commander observing the scene. Palestinian media praised the high profile: "This is the Pakistan Air Force, and even the country's landmark moment!"


In this shooting event, the Xiaolong fighter jet launched a China-provided SD10A mid-range active radar air-to-air missile (above). The target aircraft flying at a low speed was shot down and out of sight.

Target shooting range before the shooting red manned target aircraft



Image of the drone that is being flown by the camera



Then, Xiaolong launched SD10A missiles, successfully intercept the target aircraft, it exploded into a large fireball



The targeting was conducted at the Pakistani Sangianyani Range, which was assisted by China. Omani, Commander in Chief of the Pakistan Air Forces, and Paralka, Deputy Commander, attended the shooting. Samiyani Range, Pakistan is the first to be able to complete the process of surveillance of the over-the-horizon air-to-air missile shooting range, but also the world's few can do this task range.

With the assistance of China, Pakistan once again surpassed the seemingly powerful India. Not only advanced fighter missiles and supporting facilities such as the matching shooting range have also started to surpass all-round development.

Pakistan Air Force leaders applauded the successful shooting



The JF-17 Xiaolong fighter designed by China in the Pakistani Air Force has proved to be fully capable of destroying enemy planes beyond the line of sight (usually above 40 km) and only a relatively small number of countries in the world Can do it! Which use active radar air-to-air missiles more!

It is important to point out that shooting down low-speed targets is almost as difficult as shooting down high-speed targets. Low-speed targets can be used at lower altitudes, mixed with the ground background, and interfered with missiles using radar-guided technology. This technical challenge is extraordinary.



The Chinese show Xiaofeng carrying SD10A mid-range active radar-guided air-to-air missiles. The missile is similar to China's Perak 12 air-to-air missile.

China SD10A air-to-air missile, has the most advanced active radar guidance mode, also known as "Lightning 10". The bomb is at the same level as the most advanced AIM-120 missile currently in use in the United States. 203 mm in diameter, nearly 200 kg in weight and nearly 4 meters in length. The missile range more than 70 km, the maximum speed of 4 Mach. It has all-weather, all-round ability to attack air targets.

Its service with the Pakistani Air Force enabled the country's air force to possess weapons that surpass India's Russian R77 active-radar air-to-air missile, which possesses no small reliability issue.



In his speech at the celebration, Commander Oman praised the joint efforts of Pakistani and Chinese personnel in the shooting range construction and this targeting!


Chinese staff frequently appeared in the celebration


Pakistani Air Force commander and Pakistani personnel on the spot exchange


Pakistan and China personnel commemorating the two sides souvenir, the background is tracking range telemetry equipment


Pakistani Air Force commander Oman's celebration speech, highly praised the Pakistani China and South Korea jointly completed the significance of this initiative: "This targeting, proved JF-17 Fierce Dragon has a variety of strike capability Pakistani Air Force has 6 Fighter squadron equipped with the Xiaolong fighter, we are proud of this. Fierce Dragon is the backbone of Pakistani air defense force!

 

[Adam WANG SHANGHAI MEGA]

China and Pakistani brothers will make progress together to build a prosperous China and a prosperous Pakistan for the benefit of ordinary people in both countries.

 

[Hareeb]

Congratulations to PAF.
A step forward towards indigenization of advanced weapons.

 

[Adam WANG SHANGHAI MEGA]

SD-10A air-to-air missile

diameter 203MM, weight 199KG, length 3934MM, combat altitude of 0 to 21 kilometers, a range of more than 70 kilometers, the use of double-thrust solid engine, the maximum speed of Mach 4, overload 38G, guidance error can reach meters level. All-weather, all-round attack on high maneuvering targets, can provide combat aircraft simultaneously combat 4 air targets combat capability. Its overall technical level has reached the advanced level of similar products in the world.

SD10 low-altitude air-to-air interceptor defense missile, which is a combined guided missile system, using the form of active radar + attitude inertia + data transmission. That is, the missile adopts attitude inertial guidance control and data transmission system control while traveling. At the end of the missile to open the projectile active radar illumination system. The missile is currently rare domestic real full automatic guided missile attack missile commonly known as "missiles after launch."

 

[Taimoor Khan]

I posed the question to a well connected source asking that since the JF-17 have been patrolling armed with SD-10 for a while now, so what was the purpose of this test. This was the reply.

Successful firing of BVR missile at a low RCS target.... much lower RCS than any aircraft also keeping in mind that the target was a slow moving drone. !!

@Oscar @Dazzler @Taimoor Khan @Bratva @The Eagle

Since Americans are using their drones to hit Pakistani territory, while not trespassing into Pakistani airspace, using the long range hellfire missile, this is in effect a warning to them, that we can shootdown their drones inside Afghan airspace, while flying well within Pakistani airspace.

 

[MiG-35-BD]

I don't think it is possible to build balls, or R&D them. It basically requires something called "self respect" and needs people to not be traitors to their own kind. I remember I was in Islamabad when people where Pakistanis where being picked up and sold to the Americans, without trial, without jury, without evidence. I did etiqaf at the Faisal Masjid, and one of the teachers there, the son of a Brigadier and himself elected local government officials, a Kashmiri no less, was picked up and sold to the Americans.

I don't know if any R&D that can stop this kind of behavior.

 

[Dazzler]

Most tests are done against drones and the KJL-7 is a fairly decent radar with A2A performance similar to APG-68.

The real kicker for the JF-17 is that in many engagements with the block-52, the viper pilots have difficulty figuring out where the JF-17 is if it decides to hunt in passive mode. It has a small RCS anyway and when working with its datalink its difficult to detect until it powers up its radar to get a lock and send a SD-10 on its way.
Additionally in those cases, either due to its low power output or otherwise - even under jamming the JF-17 is not picked up on the F-16s RWR until it’s already locked and shooting.

It rivals the APG-68V9 in general performance (air to air modes, search and detection ranges) and some ground modes especially the SAR imagery, the slightly improved V1 model fitted in the blk 2 that is.