Ahmedis in a Chakwal village fear for their lives

[Ehsan]

Both the Aga Khan and the Ahmadi "Caliph" are rich, both live off of chanda from their followers. The only difference is the Aga Khan is richer because his family has been at it for over a thousand years and has invested the chanda in profitable ventures. So no richness is not a factor.

Matter of fact the Caliph of Islam Ahmadiyya owns nothing the property and expenses are paid off the treasury department which has separate organization made up of other Ahmadi Muslims.

 

[KingMamba]

Matter of fact the Caliph of Islam Ahmadiyya owns nothing the property and expenses are paid off the treasury department which has separate organization made up of other Ahmadi Muslims.

His expenses are also paid off by the treasury which is made up of the chanda collected from annual income. Anything he needs is paid for so yes he is indeed rich, not everyone are afforded such a luxury. Not that it matters to me, point was richness is not a factor in anything.

 

[Zarvan]

You accept Isis and Taliban as Muslim but Ahmad is as not. Then there is something wrong with your interpretation.

Ahmedia deny basic article of faith they are not Muslims

 

[Ehsan]

His expenses are also paid off by the treasury which is made up of the chanda collected from annual income. Anything he needs is paid for so yes he is indeed rich, not everyone are afforded such a luxury. Not that it matters to me, point was richness is not a factor in anything.

Everyone here pointing out at out beliefs you have the right to disagree but this attitude shows you kinda mean yea whats happening to you in Pakistan in terms of persecution is justified because oh you are so out of Islam. Well you are not going to make anyone "Muslim" by that attitude.

Ahmedia deny basic article of faith they are not Muslims

 

[Zarvan]

Everyone here pointing out at out beliefs you have the right to disagree but this attitude shows you kinda mean yea whats happening to you in Pakistan in terms of persecution is justified because oh you are so out of Islam. Well you are not going to make anyone "Muslim" by that attitude.

We don't support Ahmediya persecution but we also don't tolerate some one blatantly lying about Islam and being Muslim which he or she is not but still no one has right to inflict harm on Ahmediya community.

 

[KingMamba]

Everyone here pointing out at out beliefs you have the right to disagree but this attitude shows you kinda mean yea whats happening to you in Pakistan in terms of persecution is justified because oh you are so out of Islam. Well you are not going to make anyone "Muslim" by that attitude.

I have not yet stated my opinion on this matter so idk how you come to that conclusion. My point was Quaid e Azam being Ismaili or Aga Khan being rich is hardly a factor in the decision made by GOP in the declaration of Ahmadis.

As for my opinion it is this, I do not personally believe you guys to be Muslim but I always treat any Ahmadi I come across as if they are. As for the GOP's position on this I believe in Hazrat Ali RA judgement in governance which is thus and I paraphrase

"Amongst your subjects there are two kinds of people: those who have the same religion as you [and] are brothers to you, and those who have religions other than yours, [who] are human beings like you. Let your mercy and compassion come to their rescue and help in the same way and to the same extent that you expect Allah to show mercy and forgiveness to you".

 

[Ehsan]

I have not yet stated my opinion on this matter so idk how you come to that conclusion. My point was Quaid e Azam being Ismaili or Aga Khan being rich is hardly a factor in the decision made by GOP in the declaration of Ahmadis.

As for my opinion it is this, I do not personally believe you guys to be Muslim but I always treat any Ahmadi I come across as if they are. As for the GOP's position on this I believe in Hazrat Ali RA judgement in governance which is thus and I paraphrase

"Amongst your subjects there are two kinds of people: those who have the same religion as you [and] are brothers to you, and those who have religions other than yours, [who] are human beings like you. Let your mercy and compassion come to their rescue and help in the same way and to the same extent that you expect Allah to show mercy and forgiveness to you".

Me or any other Ahmadis dont have a problem with other people disagreeing with our beliefs but when the state defines and takes over then things get tricky. Is the state Sunni or Shiite ? Barelvi or Deobandi ? how far would we go ?

 

[third eye]

Easy buddy, was kidding. Temples can't have minarets I know.

Edit: And regarding law, well you can say its an identification crisis. A non Qadiyani may be misguided by minarets to enter that worship place as mosque, both of them won't like to pray in each other's worship places.

Are there no boards displaying the name of the place of worship , if not outside the building even traffic signboards ?

If a man enters by mistake - he leaves.

Why demolish minarets ? I question the intellect of the lawmakers who enacted such a law.

 

[I.R.A]

Are there no boards displaying the name of the place of worship , if not outside the building even traffic signboards ?

No. There are names associated with mosques but you never know which sect. At least I cannot tell from outside, when inside someone with little bit of common sense can identify. I once mistakenly entered the gate of a Bohri Muslims mosque on a Friday, but as I entered I realized I am an alien here better leave from the gate. I am sure on a normal day nobody would have objected me praying there but on Friday it is a bit different story.

If a man enters by mistake - he leaves.

Guarantee?

Yes if a man enters he can leave no restriction there.

Why demolish minarets ? I question the intellect of the lawmakers who enacted such a law.

Identification, prevention of a conflict, fight, a precautionary measure. Below is an old pic of "Masjid E Ayesha" without minarets, so what is the big deal if a Mosque has or does not have minarets?

 

[third eye]

Identification, prevention of a conflict, fight, a precautionary measure. Below is an old pic of "Masjid E Ayesha" without minarets, so what is the big deal if a Mosque has or does not have minarets?

This is the reason my friend why I am questioning the intellect of the law makers.

I once mistakenly entered the gate of a Bohri Muslims mosque on a Friday, but as I entered I realized I am an alien here better leave from the gate. I am sure on a normal day nobody would have objected me praying there but on Friday it is a bit different story.

Did you become any less a Shia/ Sunni by mistakenly entering a Ahmedi mosque or did you experience any threat to yourself ?

If No, then you guys must tell your Mullahs & law makers to loosen up. The world with still revolve when we are gone.

 

[I.R.A]

This is the reason my friend why I am questioning the intellect of the law makers.

You don't understand, they don't pray with us, we don't pray with them. And this is a mutual feeling, so better avoid confusion they may know which mosque is their's but I won't. So better I don't end up in a mosque where I listen something that does not fit my beliefs. And for them as well its better they don't listen what other's have to say.

Did you become any less a Shia/ Sunni by mistakenly entering a Ahmedi mosque or did you experience any threat to yourself ?

It was a Bohri Muslim mosque. The difference between Shia and Sunni is more of a well we call it "Farohi" with different actions adopted to perform religious duties, e.g how to pray, when to break fast etc etc, but with Qadiyanis there is no difference in actions (you won't be able to identify a sunni from qadiyani) but a grave difference in core belief.

If No, then you guys must tell your Mullahs & law makers to loosen up. The world with still revolve when we are gone.

Identification crisis. Acceptance of one's identity is the main hurdle, they accept it, identify themselves don't associate with us and live a normal life. If they believe they are on right path they should not worry if I call them non Muslim or whatever, because I don't care if they think or call me a non Muslim and I identify myself as what I am don't try to hide it. Now people would say identifying themselves gets them killed

 

[Sage]

I think you meant does not mean.

Yes ...typo !

 

[Pakistani E]

Ahmadi have complete knowledge what they believe , and what others , @Pakistani Exile @Jaanbaz , i guess i'm right here .. ?

People seem to think Ahmadis are brainwashed in to growing up as Ahmadi but I quite clearly remember having my own choice and I am an Ahmadi by choice, I know more about beliefs of other muslims than the majority of the ones I have argued with.

I am only an Ahmadi after thorough research, I am not a parrot who's just repeating what someone else has taught but through my own convictions unlike some of the others here. It's my choice, now I have to face God myself, Mullah Zarvan or Mullah do plaza won't be there prosecuting on God's behalf, so all these deen ke thekedars can go take a hike in margalla.

 

[I.R.A]

so all these deen ke thekedars can go take a hike in margalla.

Would be nice, patlay patlay molvi sahiban.

 

[Pakistani E]

Would be nice, patlay patlay molvi sahiban.

But knowing these people, they'd just end up establishing a suicide bombers training facility there.