Ahmedis in a Chakwal village fear for their lives

[Zarvan]

People seem to think Ahmadis are brainwashed in to growing up as Ahmadi but I quite clearly remember having my own choice and I am an Ahmadi by choice, I know more about beliefs of other muslims than the majority of the ones I have argued with.

I am only an Ahmadi after thorough research, I am not a parrot who's just repeating what someone else has taught but through my own convictions unlike some of the others here. It's my choice, now I have to face God myself, Mullah Zarvan or Mullah do plaza won't be there prosecuting on God's behalf, so all these deen ke thekedars can go take a hike in margalla.

Thorough research you need to do through research on your thorough research and see what you actually read

 

[Pakistani E]

Thorough research you need to do through research on your thorough research and see what you actually read

When are you doing your research?

 

[Zarvan]

When are you doing your research?

I do it on daily bases Mr on daily bases

 

[Hyde]

It is very sad to hear that. We must treat all Pakistanis equally and should provide freedom of religious practice and speech to every Individual.

The government must take action and protect rights of minorities

Very sad. They are Muslims like any other

We have had this discussion for countless times. They are as much Muslim as Christians. The difference is, Christians do not recognise prophet Muhammad peace be upon him as the messenger and Ahmedis recognise the Prophet who came after the last Prophet of Islam.

It's as simple as that. But having said that, if they wish to worship donkey, I least care and only preach what is right to me. Their rights should not be compromised for belief sake

 

[Pakistani E]

I do it on daily bases Mr on daily bases

I have no problem with you choosing to not be an Ahmadi, I do not even have a problem if you believe I am a kafir or murtid. My only problem is do not persecute people for their religious choices, just as you would not want to be persecuted from choosing yours.

 

[Zarvan]

It is very sad to hear that. We must treat all Pakistanis equally and should provide freedom of religious practice and speech to every Individual.

The government must take action and protect rights of minorities



We have had this discussion for countless times. They are as much Muslim as Christians. The difference is, Christians do not recognise prophet Muhammad peace be upon him as the messenger and Ahmedis recognise the Prophet who came after the last Prophet of Islam.

It's as simple as that. But having said that, if they wish to worship donkey, I least care and only preach what is right to me. Their rights should not be compromised for belief sake

I agree with you completely

 

[Spring Onion]

Annual pilgrimage for Ahmadis is in Mecca but yeah Qadian is an important town for the history of Jamaat Ahmadiyya.

At least you are accepting you want Ahmadis to leave Pakistan and seek refuge in India.

If I was living during the time of partition I would have stayed in India, why would you migrate and then only to be treated like animals in the country which you helped create.

When Muslims does not mean they seek refuge refuge in Saudia similarly if qayanis go to their sacred center qadyan in India it wont mean they are seeking refuge in India.

Now as far as my personal opinion on Pakistani qadyanis well they are patriotic and have been serving on many posts and there is NO reason I could or should ask for their migration NOT even their own faith could be any reason for their expulsion.

Read again my post.

Now a question to you why you qadyanis do not stress for annual religious pilgrim to qadyan in India?

Because they wanted pakistan and got it.

hmmm So if they had sided with India then you would have a pilgrim for qadyanis right??

I have no problem with you choosing to not be an Ahmadi, I do not even have a problem if you believe I am a kafir or murtid. My only problem is do not persecute people for their religious choices, just as you would not want to be persecuted from choosing yours.

Agreed.

 

[acid rain]

hmmm So if they had sided with India then you would have a pilgrim for qadyanis right??

We don't give much importance to them. .interestingly let me know if they even requested pilgrimage to their base...and if they did then what answer did they get? What I feel is like the rest of the minorities they will have to put up with whats happening to them in pakistan because they chose their bed...none of our concern.

 

[rockstar08]

People seem to think Ahmadis are brainwashed in to growing up as Ahmadi but I quite clearly remember having my own choice and I am an Ahmadi by choice, I know more about beliefs of other muslims than the majority of the ones I have argued with.

I am only an Ahmadi after thorough research, I am not a parrot who's just repeating what someone else has taught but through my own convictions unlike some of the others here. It's my choice, now I have to face God myself, Mullah Zarvan or Mullah do plaza won't be there prosecuting on God's behalf, so all these deen ke thekedars can go take a hike in margalla.

exactly my point , there is no one between you and God , once you are dead ... no zarvan no mullah fazlu etc ..
so let him ( Allah ) be the judge , there are tons of sect in islam today ,none of them is completely right or wrong ... but at least as Human we can respect others , because Allah has defined Rights for Humans , as " Haqooq-al-Ibad "

 

[Goenitz]

Ahmedis are not muslims. But we have to safeguard their holy places. The enmity is just because they themselves don't want to be separate from a muslim identity... they are prohibited building worship places like mosques and others muslims signs.. this law is very unsual to islamic jurisprudence but circumstantially it was put in 73 law.

because they perform namaz, and other rituals very similar to muslims so by prohibiting them using muslim distinctive signs can possibly separate us from the...

 

[Jaanbaz]

Now as far as my personal opinion on Pakistani qadyanis well they are patriotic and have been serving on many posts and there is NO reason I could or should ask for their migration NOT even their own faith could be any reason for their expulsion.

Then why did you feel the need to constantly mention India? India is scape goat of all problems so in essence you represent average Pakistani who blames India for everything including Ahmadis.

Now a question to you why you qadyanis do not stress for annual religious pilgrim to qadyan in India?

Annual pilgrimage is to Mecca, Qadian is important historical place in the history of Jamaat Ahmadiyya. Can I make it any clear? do you want me to write in Russian or French so that you can understand?

 

[ArsalanKhan21]

Qadiani cult is creating its own problems by using Muslim symbols in their belief system. This is all money game since Qadianis give huge donations to their cult and its leaders lives in luxury in London.

 

[Bratva]

When are you doing your research?

So you reject all the Hadiths of Prophet Mohammad (PBUH) in which he foretold the great battle b/w Dajjal and Mahdi and descent of Jesus from heaven during that battle ?

Me or any other Ahmadis dont have a problem with other people disagreeing with our beliefs but when the state defines and takes over then things get tricky. Is the state Sunni or Shiite ? Barelvi or Deobandi ? how far would we go ?

So is it fine for ahmedis to mix your twisted ideology in Islam and call yourself muslims but wrong for State to call you the opposite ?

 

[Pakistani E]

So you reject all the Hadiths of Prophet Mohammad (PBUH) in which he foretold the great battle b/w Dajjal and Mahdi and descent of Jesus from heaven during that battle ?

We don't take those hadeeth literally, if you want to believe in flying donkeys as the literal interpretation, i am not going to stop you.

But don't degenerate this thread into another religious discussion, they are not allowed.

So is it fine for ahmedis to mix your twisted ideology in Islam and call yourself muslims but wrong for State to call you the opposite ?

What business is it of the state what a citizen wants to believe in.

 

[Bratva]

We don't take those hadeeth literally, if you want to believe in flying donkeys as the literal interpretation, i am not going to stop you.

But don't degenerate this thread into another religious discussion, they are not allowed.



What business is it of the state what a citizen wants to believe in.

Those Hadiths are not metaphorical. They are quite literal. Multiple books reported the same hadiths over and over. The end result of Jesus and Mahdi arrival is domination of Muslim faith and complete peace on mother earth. This is the litmus test for those Hadiths to be true .

So Did Your mahdi cum Jesus arrival made domination of Islam all over world and cause complete peace on earth ?

See here is what is wrong with you believes Ghulam mirza took you on a flying donkey ride, making everything metaphorical and making another heretic sect in Islam proving what Prophet Mohammad (PBUH) said. Islam will be divided in to 72 sects.

And if you don't believe state interfering in citizens believe, then you have to look into what First caliph of Islam did to Imposter prophets .