This forum promotes equality and tolerance of all Pakistanis. The causes of Human rights abuses on all Pakistanis have routinely been proudly championed by this forum.
No one is disputing championing human rights neither we are against it.
This forum proudly close down threads whenever we are trying to champion the cause of human rights of Dalits or low cast Hindus.
You can not shut us up by saying that its Pakistani forum so that cant be debated here because Human Rights are Human Rights and you also claim that this forum is International fora.
This thread is not about anyone incident. Its about the treatment meted out to Ahmedis by the state and law.
Then weed out the thread and post only those laws of the state which you think are discriminatory and which we would open heartly debate.
In fact its simply preventing 10-20 threads from opening up over and over, less clutter, more discussion. Sticky is not some award of honor.
This singling out one community if so in future you have to open up sticky threads for shia sunni, deobandis, bralvis too.
The simple soultion should have been that you should have opened a thread with asking if Forum members and Muslims on this forum support any violence against our qadyani countrymen or not .
And Trust me non of us support that.
The Quran can, the constitution should not.
That is also not in discussion here. The state can't pass judgments on matters of faith. You can, to yourself and anybody who will listen to you. Not the state.
The Pakistani Constitution is said to be based on Islamic teachings and in this case The State is only following what Quran said about who is who. Simple as that. There is no difference between Quran and Our constitution over Issue of Muslims and Non-Muslims.
These are all your beliefs, they don't believe they were created by the British. They can believe and proclaim what they believe, you can what you belief.
There is a big difference between belief and an argument sure here they can differ with me that who have created qadyanis. They can post their history and i will post my argument
Sure why not? And they have the right to argue against the Muslims. Whoever has the better argument, wins.
Sure if they can prove the Quran and this akeeda of Khatm-e-Nabowat wrong. They are welcomed to prove it wrong.
I heard you questioning my faith and belief in another thread about that kazzab issue. Here i question your this stance and hypocrisy.
Are they asking anyone's hand in marriage that your acceptance is even a question here? You can call them King Kong for all they care. But they can call themselves whatever they want.
neither we are asking for their hands nor we are stopping them from calling themselves anything. We are just saying if they do so in violation of pure basic Islamic rules then they are kazzabs and liars simple as that.
What if somebody started saying everything Muslims say is a lie? This is all a matter of faith. You can't bring Allah to testify that Muslims are correct and Ahmedis are wrong? What if someone said "Each time Muslims say Allah exists, lets kill them for that is a lie".
And this is not even hypothetical, we had to run from the Quraysh when they did that to us, today you're fighting so hard to emulate the Quraysh.
Many non-Muslims say so and we dont kill them for saying so.
And again why you are twisting the words who is saying kill them ??????????
Again no one is saying accept them, let them say what they want, then you can reject what they say but you can't throw them in jail for saying what they want.
Thats what we are saying dear. Where any of us said that throw them in jail??
What is discriminatory when Islam defines the rules for you so if you are willing to accept these rules you are welcomed to be a Muslim if you do not then Islam defines ok You are on to your faith and we are on to our faith.
Islam gives you clear choice.
Its like when you go to any country they have rules they give you the guidelines if you are willing to follow that guideline you are welcomed if not you are rejected simple as that.
