After Vote, Pakistan’s Strongest Ally Should Be India

[Ayush]

Question to all Pakistanis who agree with this.


Imagine India is granted MFN status and borders are opened. Pakistan's production capacity is at a historic,low thanks to the energy crisis.

Since Pakistan's produce capacity is down to its toes,it would barely meet the domestic consumer demand. Which means we won't be able to export anything substantial to India.

But,borders are open,it doesn't mean India cannot sell its produce in Pakistan. Which will create a 'mammoth' trade imbalance,turning Pakistan into an extended consumer market, 'unable to compete'.

Since there will be no market competetion,India with its large produce output will 'flood' Pakistani consumer market with dirt cheap goods (trade manopoly tactic),which will render the local production,or whatever is left of it,out of business.

All of those,high consumption produce,manufecturers will shut,facing overwhelming and deliberate flooding of cheap goods by India,leading to a huge spike in unemployment. It will also mean that the Indian rupee will spike against Pakistani ruppee putting a huge strain on our FOREX reserves.

When Pakistani production capacity will shut so will innovation,making way for India to sell high ticket items like cars,rendering Pakistani engineering into a hole.

I, am against granting India MFN status 'until' we solve our energy crisis, our industries are back and growing,able to compete with India on 'equal' basis. I also want to limit trade with India to items that we don't produce locally in Pakistan.

Allowing India to have 'free,urestricted,unregulated' access to Pakistani market,will be beyond treason and we will pay for it for a centuary.

India is an enemy state,non regulated trade will be a fiscal suicide. Remember: All industrialized nations were industrialized during the time of the crisis. Not realizing our own potential and innovation,in this time of crisis will be a historic mistake.



Please answer.

Best regards.


@ajpirzada @Armstrong @Hyperion

Pls add your input.

i see a similarity between this case and our case with china..we too have a trade imbalance with them and their cheap goods have flooded our markets and has destroyed the local companies..

 

[Kaniska]

No...no insecurity; there was none then & there is none now ! We had our narrative & you had yours - Theres little point in continuing that debate ad infinitum.

Most Pakistanis are reacting the way they are because its frustrating to see our narrative gone down under because of your brilliance at putting forth yours & our utter ineptitude in doing our bit to puts ours. Therefore, we're frustrated at what we think are conjectures, exaggerations, omissions & at times out-right lies that have increasingly become ubiquitously accepted truths.

Naturally one come across emotional outbursts that border on being irrational at times in such circumstances.

But then again, Joe, its not as if we're the only ones; most of your fellow compatriots enter into this measuring up contest ever so enthusiastically with quite a few not making the slightest sense of what they're saying. I've been frustrated more than once with the Two Nation Theory being rubbed in my face & then drawing a chuckle when the comprehension of it for most of us (Pakistanis included) is 'We don't want to live with the evil Yindoos' !

Tou yaraa it works both ways - Why fret ?

By the way hows the missus & hows the rest of the family ?



Don't worry I've promised @Ayush his very own fiefdom called Ayushistan !

He'd take half or your army anyhow !

Paraa maslaaa ye haiii that he keeps on asking for Kashmir as being made part of Ayushistan - Kameenaaa !

Beleive me...you are among the very few people who gives me a hope and dream, that of course the relationship among both nation have good future.Because you post the arguments that makes lot of sense to me...

 

[Ayush]

GDP?

Im talking abt growth rate here.

Now go cry elsewhere.

umair bhai,growth rate and gdp growth rate is one and the same..

 

[agamdilawari]

GDP?

Im talking abt growth rate here.

Now go cry elsewhere.

New to generally used terminology in economics ? no time to teach u here.

Now go learn elsewhere.

 

[Umair Nawaz]

Question to all Pakistanis who agree with this.


Imagine India is granted MFN status and borders are opened. Pakistan's production capacity is at a historic,low thanks to the energy crisis.

Since Pakistan's produce capacity is down to its toes,it would barely meet the domestic consumer demand. Which means we won't be able to export anything substantial to India.

But,borders are open,it doesn't mean India cannot sell its produce in Pakistan. Which will create a 'mammoth' trade imbalance,turning Pakistan into an extended consumer market, 'unable to compete'.

Since there will be no market competetion,India with its large produce output will 'flood' Pakistani consumer market with dirt cheap goods (trade manopoly tactic),which will render the local production,or whatever is left of it,out of business.

All of those,high consumption produce,manufecturers will shut,facing overwhelming and deliberate flooding of cheap goods by India,leading to a huge spike in unemployment. It will also mean that the Indian rupee will spike against Pakistani ruppee putting a huge strain on our FOREX reserves.

When Pakistani production capacity will shut so will innovation,making way for India to sell high ticket items like cars,rendering Pakistani engineering into a hole.

I, am against granting India MFN status 'until' we solve our energy crisis, our industries are back and growing,able to compete with India on 'equal' basis. I also want to limit trade with India to items that we don't produce locally in Pakistan.

Allowing India to have 'free,urestricted,unregulated' access to Pakistani market,will be beyond treason and we will pay for it for a centuary.

India is an enemy state,non regulated trade will be a fiscal suicide. Remember: All industrialized nations were industrialized during the time of the crisis. Not realizing our own potential and innovation,in this time of crisis will be a historic mistake.



Please answer.

Best regards.


@ajpirzada @Armstrong @Hyperion

Pls add your input.

This was what i was talking about earlier in post#59

u have summed up well.
@ares here is yr answer.

 

[Armstrong]

@Aeronaut - Don't worry the Indians can't do nothing that the Chinese already didn't do ! I was listening to an interview of Mian Mansha by Salman Shah (ex-Finance Minister) & both seemed to be in agreement that trade with India is not a hindrance but a great opportunity & that they've even identified a myriad products & sectors that they could trade quite competitively in & with to India. One of the observations made therein was that the Energy Crisis could be as easily dealt with with Mansha making the observation that they could produce as much as 6000 MWs of electricity through just cotton sticks (god knows what that is !) & they're already doing that in their own industries. And it goes without saying that the Sugar Mills have the same or more capacity to of electricity production through Molasses - All thats needed is a little Government initiative.

Also, one must realize that there have been massive closures in Pakistan which have hurt us terribly but I agree with those, who've very right pointed out that the ones who remain are extremely....extremely competitive & can compete with the best out there - I've seen some of this in a couple of audits I went on !

Tou koi inti tension nahin kii baaat nahiiin ! The more pressing issue is that the MFN that India gave us in '96 is simply a 3 letter term because without the non-tariff barriers going away it the defeats the very purpose of the MFN Status & I've known businessmen who've tried to trade with India & gave up key kiyaaa bureaucratic bakwaaas haiii - Maal kharaaab ho jataa haiii par destination tukkk nahin pohaanchtaaa ! I think as soon we have some movement on that - This will work out !

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

we have the basis for great ties, once they agree to hold a referendum on Kashmir - we both demilitarize beforehand -- they stop supporting BLA and other anti-state nuiscances and they stop stealing our water

 

[Kaniska]

Question to all Pakistanis who agree with this.


Imagine India is granted MFN status and borders are opened. Pakistan's production capacity is at a historic,low thanks to the energy crisis.

Since Pakistan's produce capacity is down to its toes,it would barely meet the domestic consumer demand. Which means we won't be able to export anything substantial to India.

But,borders are open,it doesn't mean India cannot sell its produce in Pakistan. Which will create a 'mammoth' trade imbalance,turning Pakistan into an extended consumer market, 'unable to compete'.

Since there will be no market competetion,India with its large produce output will 'flood' Pakistani consumer market with dirt cheap goods (trade manopoly tactic),which will render the local production,or whatever is left of it,out of business.

All of those,high consumption produce,manufecturers will shut,facing overwhelming and deliberate flooding of cheap goods by India,leading to a huge spike in unemployment. It will also mean that the Indian rupee will spike against Pakistani ruppee putting a huge strain on our FOREX reserves.

When Pakistani production capacity will shut so will innovation,making way for India to sell high ticket items like cars,rendering Pakistani engineering into a hole.

I, am against granting India MFN status 'until' we solve our energy crisis, our industries are back and growing,able to compete with India on 'equal' basis. I also want to limit trade with India to items that we don't produce locally in Pakistan.

Allowing India to have 'free,urestricted,unregulated' access to Pakistani market,will be beyond treason and we will pay for it for a centuary.

India is an enemy state,non regulated trade will be a fiscal suicide. Remember: All industrialized nations were industrialized during the time of the crisis. Not realizing our own potential and innovation,in this time of crisis will be a historic mistake.



Please answer.

Best regards.


@ajpirzada @Armstrong @Hyperion

Pls add your input.

Your statement make sense...But I have another question...If you fear about Indian cheap products that will impact your economy then how are you dealing with Chines products? Products from China is cheaper than India too???...I am really curious to know about it..

 

[Armstrong]

Beleive me...you are among the very few people who gives me a hope and dream, that of course the relationship among both nation have good future.Because you post the arguments that makes lot of sense to me...

Yaaar tuu rolaiii gaa kiyaaa ?

Thanks man, so hows life treating you ?

 

[Umair Nawaz]

New to generally used terminology in economics ? no time to teach u here.

Now go learn elsewhere.

umair bhai,growth rate and gdp growth rate is one and the same..

Gross Domestic Product is one thing but foreign investment is another.
We r no Industrialized nation since beginning like u so its obvious our Gross Domestic Product rate will be less as compared to someone who is industrialized since beginning as our Founding father died with in one year so no one was there to guide us.


Here is something i found its of 2005.

Pakistan has become one of Asia's fastest growing economies

Economy of Pakistan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Kaniska]

Yaaar tuu rolaiii gaa kiyaaa ?

Thanks man, so hows life treating you ?

I am cool dear...today is the day when i work from home so enough time to spend on PDF...Thanks for asking...

 

[Umair Nawaz]

Your statement make sense...But I have another question...If you fear about Indian cheap products that will impact your economy then how are you dealing with Chines products? Products from China is cheaper than India too???...I am really curious to know about it..

This question was for pakistanis. N China poses no thread to us but u do. One can just imagine how will u use these leverages to infiltrate us in the times of war.

 

[Kompromat]

@Armstrong

Politically, speaking. Dominating Pakistani economy by cheap goods and by creating a huge trade imbalance in favour of India,has been the long held unfinished agenda of the Indian policy makers.

Let,them assume that we are stupid and will accept that. While we should work on ending the energy deficit,restarting our industry and creating domestic competetion by encouraging SMEs.


Indian produce should be 'catogarized' and 'restricted' to only those low ticket items we don't produce. India must also be made to pay transit duty for C.Asian market access and for the pipelined they want from us,both IPI and TAPI.

 

[Kaniska]

This question was for pakistanis. N China poses no thread to us but u do. One can just imagine how will u use these leverages to infiltrate us in the times of war.

Ok that makes sense....so rather that putting reason that cheap Indian product will floor your market, you should mention that due to enemity with India, you do not want to do any bussiness with us...

@Armstrong

Politically, speaking. Dominating Pakistani economy by cheap goods and by creating a huge trade imbalance in favour of India,has been the long held unfinished agenda of the Indian policy makers.

Let,them assume that we are stupid and will accept that. While we should work on ending the energy deficit,restarting our industry and creating domestic competetion by encouraging SMEs.


Indian produce should be 'catogarized' and 'restricted' to only those low ticket items we don't produce. India must also be made to pay transit duty for C.Asian market access and for the pipelined they want from us,both IPI and TAPI.

None of the INDIAN policy maker will disagree with your statement.Because if India want to use IPI or TAPI or Central Asia, of course we have to pay transit money..Nothing is free in this world...Why do you think that INDIA will not agree to this idea?

 

[Kompromat]

@Kaniska

Chinese onion seller to Pakistani buyer.

"hey buy a KG for 20 rupee"

Indian onion seller to Pakistani consumer.

"(Fuk that Chinese) buy my onion for 12 Rupee"

Pakistani onion seller.

"wtf am i supposed to do it costs me 10 rupee per kg to grow"