After S-400, More Contracts On The Way: Rosoboronexport

[LeGenD]

I never claimed S400 is way better than PAC-3 or THAAD but the sputnik link provides a basic comparison of the technical specs where the S400 fairs better than PAC-3

Here's one from National interest which is a western source even though it doesn't provide a head on comparison
https://nationalinterest.org/blog/the-buzz/russias-s-400-way-more-dangerous-you-think-24116

Be it the Chinese or Indian S-400, they won't be alone and will be integrated & complementing other air defense mechanisms that we already have in place

S-400 < PAC-3 MSE < S-500 < THAAD

Majority of comparisons are journalist junk. See my post in 1st page.

 

[Tom M]

Hey US!! is India your strategic partner or Russia's

I've been saying this for couple of years here. India has long mastered the art of taming and keeping the wolf and the sheep in the same cage and yet reap benefit from both.

Now it is for others to decide who is the sheep and who is the wolf here.

 

[Papa Dragon]

S-400 < PAC-3 MSE < S-500 < THAAD

Majority of comparisons are journalist junk. See my post in 1st page.

Yeah if pak is getting the same, S-400 would've been on top of the list just like how y'all consider JF-17 as a fighter jet which can take down Su-35s and F-22s.

No country reveals the the actual tech specs publicly except for it's consumers and I'm sure it's the same with any defense system

 

[MultaniGuy]

Yeah if pak is getting the same, S-400 would've been on top of the list just like how y'all consider JF-17 as a fighter jet which can take down Su-35s and F-22s.

No country reveals the the actual tech specs publicly except for it's consumers and I'm sure it's the same with any defense system

Nobody said JF-17 can take on F-22. lol.

LOL..backstabbing? 70% of our equipment is of Russian origin...wtf you taking about...as for backstabbing come on guy ....you and your type know all about that....Osama Bin Laden in your backyard...and don't forget when the Huey crashed you sent the parts to China to get analyzed....fukboy

You idiot, the Pakistani government did not support nor hide Osama Bin Laden.

 

[Novice09]

LOL where are the Americans? I am just loving this backstabbing.

DIPLOMACY... NATIONAL INTERESTS...

Hope you know what does that means...

LOL where are the Americans? I am just loving this backstabbing.

DIPLOMACY... NATIONAL INTERESTS...

Hope you know what does that means...

 

[LeGenD]

Yeah if pak is getting the same, S-400 would've been on top of the list just like how y'all consider JF-17 as a fighter jet which can take down Su-35s and F-22s.

No country reveals the the actual tech specs publicly except for it's consumers and I'm sure it's the same with any defense system

I am not into making unsubtantiated claims. I call a spade a spade.

Disclosure from Rosoboronexport: http://roe.ru/eng/catalog/air-defence-systems/air-defense-systems-and-mounts/s-400-triumf/

Disclosure from an Indian military professional: https://theprint.in/security/bustin...00-indias-latest-military-acquisition/130479/

That Indian officer would know better than anybody here, for sure. I would take his disclosure seriously.

My ranking of MDS is based on informed judgements - key parameters.

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I did not claim that JF-17 Thunder variants can defeat those Jets.

My take:

Low chance against SU-35
No chance against F-22

 

[Safriz]

India to buy 5 Battalions of S-400 Missile system.
Each Battalion will have 8 launchers, bringing the total number of launchers bought by India to 40.
Each Battalion of 8 launchers will have 32 Missiles ready to fire at 4 on each of the 8 launchers.
The total number of ready to fire Missiles on all 40 Launchers being bought by India at any given time will be 160.
Each launcher will have two sets of 4 missiles on the standby in the field. That brings the total number of on the standby missiles across all 5 Battalions at 320.The Re-load time is 5 Minutes.
With 160 ready to fire and 320 on the standby , India will have 480 Surface to air S-400 missiles deployed .
India will buy or manufacture a total of 6000 missiles for S-400 system.
The S-400 system has a maximum target detection range of 600 Km.
The S-400 Missile system can engage aerodynamic targets at Maximum range of 250 Km and maximum altitude of 27 Km.
The S-400 system can engage Non-Aerodynamic targets or Ballistic missiles at a maximum range of 60 Km and Altitude of 27 Km.
This is because the S-400 Missile needs to remain in atmosphere for maneuverability.
In case of Ballistic Missiles the S-400 system cannot track anything flying at above 4800 M/Sec or Mach 14.5.

 

[Papa Dragon]

I am not into making unsubtantiated claims. I call a spade a spade.

Disclosure from Rosoboronexport: http://roe.ru/eng/catalog/air-defence-systems/air-defense-systems-and-mounts/s-400-triumf/

Disclosure from an Indian military professional: https://theprint.in/security/bustin...00-indias-latest-military-acquisition/130479/

That Indian officer would know better than anybody here, for sure. I would take his disclosure seriously.

My ranking of MDS is based on informed judgements - key parameters.

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I did not claim that JF-17 Thunder variants can defeat those Jets.

My take:

Low chance against SU-35
No chance against F-22

I don't see the article claiming western defense systems are better than Russian systems. Eventually the S-400 will be integrated to complement our indigenous defense systems

PAC-3 has a ton of shortcomings and it failed to intercept or launch missiles when needed. Even THAAD is in the same boat

PAC-3 Production to Continue Despite Program Shortcomings
https://www.armscontrol.org/act/2002_07-08/pacf3jul_aug02

Patriot Missiles Are Made in America and Fail Everywhere
https://foreignpolicy.com/2018/03/28/patriot-missiles-are-made-in-america-and-fail-everywhere/

PAC-3 scores one hit, but another missile fails to launch
http://aviationweek.com/awin/pac-3-scores-one-hit-another-missile-fails-launch

American Missile Defense Fail in Saudi Arabia
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/12/04/world/middleeast/saudi-missile-defense.html

PAC-3 in doubt after tests end with semi-successes
https://www.flightglobal.com/news/a...t-after-tests-end-with-semi-successes-149357/

Japan could soon withdraw PAC-3 missile interceptors
https://www.upi.com/Japan-could-soon-withdraw-PAC-3-missile-interceptors/8531532955371/

US Ballistic Missile Intercept Test Fails for 2nd Time
https://thediplomat.com/2018/02/us-ballistic-missile-intercept-test-fails-for-2nd-time/

US, Japan missile interception test fails
https://www.cnn.com/2017/06/22/politics/us-missile-intercept-test-fails/index.html

THAAD Can't Destroy North Korea's ICBMs
https://nationalinterest.org/blog/t...stroy-north-koreas-icbms-the-navy-might-23588

U.S. missile defense test fails to intercept target over Pacific
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/u-s-missile-defense-test-fails-to-intercept-target/

 

[SuvarnaTeja]

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Russian arms exporting agency, Rosoboronexport today said several contracts are in final stages of negotiations with India following the signing of the S-400 missile defence system deal today.

“Rosoboronexport is ready to cooperate with India in any areas. At the moment, a number of other major contracts for the supply of Russian weapons to India are in the final stages of preparation and we hope they will be signed soon,” Head of Rosoboronexport, Alexander Mikheev said Friday.

Rosoboronexport signed $5.43 billion contract to supply India with five S-400 Triumph long-range air defense missile systems (ADMS) which it says is the biggest ever deal in the company’s history.

“The contract for the supply of S-400 Triumph air defense missile systems to India is the biggest for the entire period of military-technical cooperation between Russia and India and the largest in history of Rosoboronexport. Today we begin to execute it” said Mikheev.

An estimated US$10 billion, the single-biggest bunch of defence contracts are expected to be concluded at one time between the two countries. Apart from the S-400 deal, India and Russia are expected to sign a deal to manufacture 200 Kamov 226T helicopters worth an estimated $1 billion, 4 naval frigates estimated at $2 billion, a deal to manufacture 650,000 Kalashnikov AK-103 rifles in India and the purchase of 2 Il-78 transport planes which will form the platform for Israeli-made airborne early warning radar system.

In addition, a $600 million upgrade proposal for the Indian Air Force’s fleet of IL-76 transporter and IL-78 aerial refueling aircraft is also on the cards.

http://www.defenseworld.net/news/23...acts_On_The_Way__Rosoboronexport#.W7nnqWgzZPY

Some important points:

1) The CAATSA sanctions imposed on Chinese entities are symbolic only as Chinese entities have no relationship with the US. On the other hand any CAATSA sanctions on Indian entities would have serious implications which would result in pausing or undoing the blossoming US-India relations. This neither US nor India could afford.

2) US would use the threat of CAATSA sanctions to negotiate better deals with India. For example, India has recently bought the NASAMS-II from the US as a quid pro quo to procure S-400s from Russia. Similarly India is going to buy the US SIG Sauer's SiG 716 battle rifle as a quid pro quo to procuring the Kalashnikov AK-103 rifles from Russia.

3) Every new deal that India makes with Russia, India would be forced to provide a comparable deal to US to keep them happy.

4) This is the reason why other deals with Russia even though were ready for signing were deferred pending the finalization of the corresponding deals to be finalized with the US.

 

[Papa Dragon]

India to buy 5 Battalions of S-400 Missile system.
Each Battalion will have 8 launchers, bringing the total number of launchers bought by India to 40.
Each Battalion of 8 launchers will have 32 Missiles ready to fire at 4 on each of the 8 launchers.
The total number of ready to fire Missiles on all 40 Launchers being bought by India at any given time will be 160.
Each launcher will have two sets of 4 missiles on the standby in the field. That brings the total number of on the standby missiles across all 5 Battalions at 320.The Re-load time is 5 Minutes.
With 160 ready to fire and 320 on the standby , India will have 480 Surface to air S-400 missiles deployed .
India will buy or manufacture a total of 6000 missiles for S-400 system.

A single battery of S-400 that India is getting can launch 72 missiles simultaneously, engage 36 targets at a time
https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com...36-targets-at-a-time/articleshow/66089755.cms

 

[Safriz]

A single battery of S-400 that India is getting can launch 72 missiles simultaneously, engage 36 targets at a time
https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com...36-targets-at-a-time/articleshow/66089755.cms

I did not copy TOI hoopla. I took those numbers from the manufacturer's website, which is more credible than TOI.

 

[Papa Dragon]

I did not copy TOI hoopla. I took those numbers from the manufacturer's website, which is more credible than TOI.

There is a whole thread with over 10 pgs going on PDF. I'm sure you're well aware every country would get different versions based on their requirements or advancements made by the Russians over the course of time

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/wow-...ssia-can-launch-72-missiles-at-one-go.580329/

 

[Cobra Arbok]

LOL where are the Americans? I am just loving this backstabbing.

Actually, us having the s400 is beneficial to US interests. After all, we are their strategic partner, and it is only natural that they want us to have the best weapons to meet our needs. That is why they are going to let us have it without any sanctions,

 

[Sucha Kuggu]

Every one going for S-400s and US runaway IT xpert sitting in Russia, how do should see this?

 

[SuvarnaTeja]

Actually, us having the s400 is beneficial to US interests. After all, we are their strategic partner, and it is only natural that they want us to have the best weapons to meet our needs. That is why they are going to let us have it without any sanctions,

Incorrect. Strategically speaking, US gains nothing from India having S-400s. Tactically though US has used the S-400 deal to force India procure NASAMS-II from the US.