After 30 years, Pakistan rolls up welcome mat for Afghan refugees

[MilSpec]

Just give me a damn reason and proof, you moron.

Well your highness,

It is obvious that ISI is shivering in the boots that the camp of ahmed shah massod is in power, the same which were targeted in past by your beloved ISI and taliban,
Creating a contant instability in afghanistan, due to its poor infrastructure, porous borders and tribal regime gives pakistan an oppurtunity to setup its own pewr structure , in due course when some pashtun leaders do get into the powerstructure and can do the pakistans negotiations.

Once afghan refugees were celebrated as cannon fodder for the taliban recruitment drive, but now that the afghan policies are falling flat on thier faces, afghan refugees are becoming a burden.

Pakistan/ISI is praying for ISAF's pull out, sot that it can get back in the game.

 

[Icewolf]

Yeah yeah because Indian Muslims are going to heaven made out of Gold!
There is no such thing as Indian muslims or Pakistani muslims. We are ONE! One religion!!! You're either muslim or you're not!
Indian muslims... Thats a new one.

I agree. Why not make the world borderless. Don't act naive, there is no unity amongst Muslims of other countries.

 

[MilSpec]

What proof do you have that they were AQ and Taliban operatives, tell me? Smoking that Hashish?

So whom did Pakistian airlift from Konduz, didn't you mention you had no links with taliban?????

 

[Icewolf]

Well your highness,

It is obvious that ISI is shivering in the boots that the camp of ahmed shah massod is in power, the same which were targeted in past by your beloved ISI and taliban,
Creating a contant instability in afghanistan, due to its poor infrastructure, porous borders and tribal regime gives pakistan an oppurtunity to setup its own pewr structure , in due course when some pashtun leaders do get into the powerstructure and can do the pakistans negotiations.

Once afghan refugees were celebrated as cannon fodder for the taliban recruitment drive, but now that the afghan policies are falling flat on thier faces, afghan refugees are becoming a burden.

Pakistan/ISI is praying for ISAF's pull out, sot that it can get back in the game.

And you contradicted all your posts. I'm sure ISI and PA would do their "plan" of "invading" Afghanistan after the ISAF goes out no? Why would they try to anger USA by doing it now?

 

[MilSpec]

And you contradicted all your posts. I'm sure ISI and PA would do their "plan" of "invading" Afghanistan after the ISAF goes out no? Why would they try to anger USA by doing it now?

your comprehension skills are not my problem.


Comon, pakistan never invades, it is a well known fact, mujhahiden originate from thin air in pakistan and then occupy neighboring states, do you need proof for that too?????

 

[Icewolf]

So whom did Pakistian airlift from Konduz, didn't you mention you had no links with taliban?????

What proof do you have they were Pakistani ships that airlifted from Konduz. Why should I believe a guy in BBC who clearly said he was in a tent with his Afghani buddies smoking Hashish?

 

[Redbull]

Sandy, Pakistan is not supporting Taliban, that is just a conspiracy theory without proof. US has the best sattlite systems out there and Drones, if they're was proof, they would've showed it by now.

 

[Fekay]

You are back on block 1. Read my first post on this thread, it'll answer this post.

Agree with that, reasonable point.

 

[Icewolf]

your comprehension problems are not my problem.


Comon, pakistan never invades, it is a well known fact, mujhahiden originate from thin air in pakistan and then occupy neighboring states, do you need proof for that too?????

You can't keep the discussion in one line. The Mujahideen are Afghani.

 

[MilSpec]

You can't keep the discussion in one line. The Mujahideen are Afghani.

According to Pakistani Afghanistan expert Ahmed Rashid, "between 1994 and 1999, an estimated 80,000 to 100,000 Pakistanis trained and fought in Afghanistan" on the side of the Taliban

stated that up until 9/11 Pakistani military and ISI officers along with thousands of regular Pakistani armed forces personnel had been involved in the fighting in Afghanistan.
Maley, William (2009). The Afghanistan wars. Palgrave Macmillan. pp. 288.

n 2001 alone, according to several international sources, 28,000-30,000 Pakistani nationals, 14,000-15,000 Afghan Taliban and 2,000-3,000 Al Qaeda militants were fighting against anti-Taliban forces in Afghanistan as a roughly 45,000 strong military force
Edward Girardet. Killing the Cranes: A Reporter's Journey Through Three Decades of War in Afghanistan (August 3, 2011 ed.). Chelsea Green Publishing. p. 416.
Marcela Grad. Massoud: An Intimate Portrait of the Legendary Afghan Leader (March 1, 2009 ed.). Webster University Press. p. 310.


Human Rights Watch wrote in 2000:
Of all the foreign powers involved in efforts to sustain and manipulate the ongoing fighting [in Afghanistan], Pakistan is distinguished both by the sweep of its objectives and the scale of its efforts, which include soliciting funding for the Taliban, bankrolling Taliban operations, providing diplomatic support as the Taliban's virtual emissaries abroad, arranging training for Taliban fighters, recruiting skilled and unskilled manpower to serve in Taliban armies, planning and directing offensives, providing and facilitating shipments of ammunition and fuel, and ... directly providing combat support.


your arguments just keep falling flat on its face!

Sandy, Pakistan is not supporting Taliban, that is just a conspiracy theory without proof. US has the best sattlite systems out there and Drones, if they're was proof, they would've showed it by now.

Explain what does the rest of the world have against pakistan, that everyone, including the afghans are pointing fingers at pakistan.

 

[Icewolf]

^^ How does that translate to "ISI is supporting Taliban". What a moron.

 

[MilSpec]

^^ How does that translate to "ISI is supporting Taliban". What a moron.

read english moron.... "Pakistani military and ISI officers along with thousands of regular Pakistani armed forces personnel had been involved in the fighting in Afghanistan".

Here you go more information to get through your thick skull

The UN secretary-general implicitly criticized Pakistan for its military support and the Security Council stated it was "deeply distress[ed] over reports of involvement in the fighting, on the Taliban side, of thousands of non-Afghan nationals."

In July 2001, several countries including the United States, accused Pakistan of being "in violation of U.N. sanctions because of its military aid to the Taliban.

The Taliban also obtained financial resources from Pakistan. In 1997 alone, after the capture of Kabul by the Taliban, Pakistan gave $30 million in aid and a further $10 million for government wages

In 2000, British Intelligence reported that the ISI was taking an active role in several Al Qaeda training camps

 

[Meengla]

We are getting off-topic but I think it is better to clarify briefly who the Talibans are. Glad you mention Ahmad Rashid; he, being not a dedicated friend of Pakistan, carries some weight in international circles. People may want to read Rashid's 'Taliban' where he clearly explains that Talibans were a local Afghan movement, supported by transporters, who decided to take control of the country after relentless bloodletting by the Afghans after Najibullah's fall in 1992. The immediate stimulus was a girl's rape in an Afghan village to trigger Mullah Umar to go after the rapists but, basically, the Talibans were Afghans who decided to take control of their country instead of the various warlords continue to kill untold number of civilians.

Pakistanis saw an opportunity to establish their influence in Afghanistan when they saw the zeal and organization of the Talibans. It didn't help that others like Iran, Indian etc had their own favorites. Anyway, all players tried hard but, in the end, Pakistanis prevailed because of geographical and other advantages. As far as Americans were concerned, well, Talibans were deep in the process of making deals with American oil companies and some reportedly even met senior Congressmen and Clinton officials.

There was no way Pakistan could have allowed an anti-Pakistan alliance to prevail in Afghanistan. If India could support the LTTE--the inventor of modern suicide-bombings--then Pakistan too could be excused. Even then, the Talibans never recognized the Durand Line. There were even brief shooting wars between the Talibans and Pakistanis along the borders. So much so for being Pakistan's 'allies'! I don't see America and Canada shooting at each other across the border!

Back to the topic:
I, for one, will not support forceful deportation of Afghans from Pakistan. These are largely innocent and poor economic migrants. They need to be educated. The bad ones need to be sorted out. They are a victim of the games played by external forces. Their crimes being accidents of birth. I don't care if they were Hindus or Buddhists. Come on, guys: 3 millions are nothing. Pakistanis probably make 3 million new Pakistanis every year. Treat the Afghan migrants with compassion and rationality.

 

[Icewolf]

read english moron.... "Pakistani military and ISI officers along with thousands of regular Pakistani armed forces personnel had been involved in the fighting in Afghanistan".

Here you go more information to get through your thick skull

The UN secretary-general implicitly criticized Pakistan for its military support and the Security Council stated it was "deeply distress[ed] over reports of involvement in the fighting, on the Taliban side, of thousands of non-Afghan nationals."

In July 2001, several countries including the United States, accused Pakistan of being "in violation of U.N. sanctions because of its military aid to the Taliban.

The Taliban also obtained financial resources from Pakistan. In 1997 alone, after the capture of Kabul by the Taliban, Pakistan gave $30 million in aid and a further $10 million for government wages

In 2000, British Intelligence reported that the ISI was taking an active role in several Al Qaeda training camps

"Accused, reported." There is still no proof. Good bye.

 

[Khalnaldo]

I agree. Why not make the world borderless. Don't act naive, there is no unity amongst Muslims of other countries.

Of course there isn't. But shouldnt we be working towards unity?