African Union Suspends Egypt

[Yzd Khalifa]

@Mahmoud_EGY
Spoke about the aid the US gives to Egypt, but I don't think that Egypt is really dying for it, we can take care of them so yeah.

Who cares about the US military support?
The GCC can take over that roll,things have changed.
Its not like the US provides the best of anymore,the ME has changed and they know it.
The times of handouts from the US are over.

 

[Silverblaze]

he was elected by 1 percent not every one voted for him want him it is just because it was him or former regime shafiq
the army is respected by all egyptians and the army is not in charge now there will be elections soon after a new constitution
this is what the people want i dont care what the west call it
if we waited for morsi to finish his 3 years there wont be Egypt anymore he was destroying the country

You do not understand do you?

Your army has taken over and destroyed every speck of legitimacy of the law.

There is no law when the army takes over.

Egypt is operating under an undeclared martial law.

When law is removed, the barrel of the gun makes the law.

I completely disagree with Morsi and his gang. He was appointing very bad people, but this did not mean that the army had to abrogate the constitution.

You will understand after 5 years how wrong the army's actions were.

 

[Yzd Khalifa]

Really ? He was worse than Mubarak ?

Mubarak was there for three decades, Egypt is still around.

Mubarak was a liberal military man. Many Egyptians felt insecure with a guy like Morsi due to his extremist views.

 

[Mahmoud_EGY]

Really ? He was worse than Mubarak ?

Mubarak was there for three decades, Egypt is still around.

mubark stole our money and his men ruled by blood and iron but he had some red lines he wont cross
the brotherhood members are attacking civilians and army all over Egypt that means the brotherhood is more to them than Egypt this 1 year has been the worst in Egyptian history

@Mahmoud_EGY
Spoke about the aid the US gives to Egypt, but I don't think that Egypt is really dying for it, we can take care of them so yeah.

you know the country that will help Egypt at this time will be forever a true friend to Egypt

 

[Mahmoud_EGY]

You do not understand do you?

Your army has taken over and destroyed every speck of legitimacy of the law.

There is no law when the army takes over.

Egypt is operating under an undeclared martial law.

When law is removed, the barrel of the gun makes the law.

I completely disagree with Morsi and his gang. He was appointing very bad people, but this did not mean that the army had to abrogate the constitution.

You will understand after 5 years how wrong the army's actions were.

your words seem ok but i am sure that this is the right action in EGYPT

 

[fallstuff]

Mubarak was a liberal military man. Many Egyptians felt insecure with a guy like Morsi due to his extremist views.

You probably do not understand the concept of the " Will of the people". This includes anyone that voted for him. An illiterate village fools vote is just as good as someone with liberal views/riches/Ph.d.

Egypt is a nation where 84% consider themselves conservative, I doubt a few liberal voices could bring about the coup.

Its great to know that you are aware of his extremist views. Please explain the views I keep hearing about.

Thank you in advance.

 

[fallstuff]

mubark stole our money and his men ruled by blood and iron but he had some red lines he wont cross
the brotherhood members are attacking civilians and army all over Egypt that means the brotherhood is more to them than Egypt this 1 year has been the worst in Egyptian history

you know the country that will help Egypt at this time will be forever a true friend to Egypt

What exactly did he do that made it the worst year ever ?

This is what I came to know so far,

1) He went back on his pledge about not fielding a candidate in the presidential election

2) Pledged not to contest in the lower house election but failed to keep.

3) Declared an interim decree that his authority can't be challenged in formulating the new Constitution.

4) All the pro-Mubarak corruption convictions were being overturned by the judiciary.

5) The police didn't do anything in protecting the MB offices.

6) Military deployed from the June 23rd in a secret concerted effort with the protestors, opposition and Mubarak supporters.

6) There were protesters fielding Mubaraks posters in Tahir square.


Morsis gripes were he made every effort to be as inclusive as possible, but he got snubbed by different groups to a point where he just had to go alone to get things done.

 

[T-123456]

You do not understand do you?

Your army has taken over and destroyed every speck of legitimacy of the law.

There is no law when the army takes over.

Egypt is operating under an undeclared martial law.

When law is removed, the barrel of the gun makes the law.

I completely disagree with Morsi and his gang. He was appointing very bad people, but this did not mean that the army had to abrogate the constitution.

You will understand after 5 years how wrong the army's actions were.

Ok now,Democratic election and in power means;after winning the election you stay a democracy so no changing the country into an islamist theocracy,get it?
So stay democratic or else,army make sure you do.

 

[T-123456]

mubark stole our money and his men ruled by blood and iron but he had some red lines he wont cross
the brotherhood members are attacking civilians and army all over Egypt that means the brotherhood is more to them than Egypt this 1 year has been the worst in Egyptian history

you know the country that will help Egypt at this time will be forever a true friend to Egypt

Not one country but many will.

 

[Pakistanisage]

Yes, I hear you Prof.

If I may please, what can you say about the mass demonstration which took place in every major city in Egypt? Some people suggested that more than 22 million Egyptians were protesting against Morsi, but I think this is a pure exaggeration.

I agree with you Brother but in the end Democracy is just another name for Compromise. Egyptians will have to learn to calm down and learn how this game of Democracy is played. Allow me to give you another scenario. Now that Coup has taken place the Military has two options. Either they will grab power and another Dictator like Mubarak will be born who will rule Egypt with an iron fist for next 30 years OR if they are sensible they will have an early Election. If they have an early Election either the Islamists will come back to power or the liberal President will be elected. If the Islamist com back to Power then we are back to Square one. If the Liberals will Win, they will WIN by a NARROW MAJORITY.

Now my friends millions of Islamist will come out on streets and bring the wheel of Government to a standstill and refuse to leave till the new Government is brought down. They will be doing the same thing that the Liberals did. This is the reason why I think the Military acted prematurely and ill advisedly. They have just set up a bad PRECEDENCE. You cannot settle things on the Street in a Democracy. This is why there is a Parliament and a Constitution. If you do not accept other peoples Mandate, they won't accept yours. That would force Military to intervene each time and the Government will be run by FORCE instead of CONSENSUS.

Maybe Egypt is not a country that can be governed by Democracy. Say what you want about the short comings of Pakistanis but they showed the World that they will abide by Principles of Democracy. The last Government of Asif Ali Zardari was the most unpopular government in Pakistan, ever. The only reason his party won last time was because of Sympathy vote for the assassination of his wife. But Kudos to Pakistani people that they swallowed the BITTER PILL and let him finish his 5 year term. In 2013 elections, PPP the party of Zardari was routed and did not even get 15% of seats. That is the only way Democracy can work. You have to let people finish their term OR THEY WILL NOT LET YOU FINISH YOURS NEXT TIME.

I love Egyptian people and hope that things work out for them but the path their Army has taken is rife with Pitfalls. In the end, in this day an age Military dictatorships are not a solution. Good luck to my bro @Mahmoud_EGY and the great Egyptian people.

 

[Yzd Khalifa]

You probably do not understand the concept of the " Will of the people". This includes anyone that voted for him. An illiterate village fools vote is just as good as someone with liberal views/riches/Ph.d.

Egypt is a nation where 84% consider themselves conservative, I doubt a few liberal voices cloud bring about the coup.

Its great to know that you are aware of his extremist views. Please explain the views I keep hearing about.

Thank you in advance.

I'm most certainly do understand the concept of " will of people "

Let just not forget that people reserve the right to determine their future, to accomplish their objectives, social justice, and moral values. For these reasons, I don't see any difference between a peasant who voted for Morsi over Shafiq or vice versa. Personally, I've got nothing against Morsi, I'm trying to simplify the issue to you. It is worth mentioning that Egypt ,when it comes to democracy, is like a three-year-old toddler who barely starts to get on his feets.


Here are some articles which had spoken about the MB extremist views.

Top ten mistakes that led to Mursi

http://www.defence.pk/forums/middle...pt-army-ousts-mursi-govt-updates-news-96.html

You probably do not understand the concept of the " Will of the people". This includes anyone that voted for him. An illiterate village fools vote is just as good as someone with liberal views/riches/Ph.d.

Egypt is a nation where 84% consider themselves conservative, I doubt a few liberal voices could bring about the coup.

Its great to know that you are aware of his extremist views. Please explain the views I keep hearing about.

Thank you in advance.

 

[Mahmoud_EGY]

I agree with you Brother but in the end Democracy is just another name for Compromise. Egyptians will have to learn to calm down and learn how this game of Democracy is played. Allow me to give you another scenario. Now that Coup has taken place the Military has two options. Either they will grab power and another Dictator like Mubarak will be born who will rule Egypt with an iron fist for next 30 years OR if they are sensible they will have an early Election. If they have an early Election either the Islamists will come back to power or the liberal President will be elected. If the Islamist com back to Power then we are back to Square one. If the Liberals will Win, they will WIN by a NARROW MAJORITY.

Now my friends millions of Islamist will come out on streets and bring the wheel of Government to a standstill and refuse to leave till the new Government is brought down. They will be doing the same thing that the Liberals did. This is the reason why I think the Military acted prematurely and ill advisedly. They have just set up a bad PRECEDENCE. You cannot settle things on the Street in a Democracy. This is why there is a Parliament and a Constitution. If you do not accept other peoples Mandate, they won't accept yours. That would force Military to intervene each time and the Government will be run by FORCE instead of CONSENSUS.

Maybe Egypt is not a country that can be governed by Democracy. Say what you want about the short comings of Pakistanis but they showed the World that they will abide by Principles of Democracy. The last Government of Asif Ali Zardari was the most unpopular government in Pakistan, ever. The only reason his party won last time was because of Sympathy vote for the assassination of his wife. But Kudos to Pakistani people that they swallowed the BITTER PILL and let him finish his 5 year term. In 2013 elections, PPP the party of Zardari was routed and did not even get a third of seats. That is the only way Democracy can work. You have to let people finish their term OR THEY WILL NOT LET YOU FINISH YOURS NEXT TIME.

I love Egyptian people and hope that things work out for them but the path their Army has taken is rife with Pitfalls. In the end, in this day an age Military dictatorships are not a solution. Good luck to my bro @Mahmoud_EGY and the great Egyptian people.

a librial or nationalist government will be formed if the brotherhood manage to bring them down it is back to military rule either way is better than the MB they wont win

 

[Imran Khan]

don't teach them they will know by themselves after 10-15 years or may be more soon .

 

[fallstuff]

I'm most certainly do understand the concept of " will of people "

Let just not forget that people reserve the right to determine their future, to accomplish their objectives, social justice, and moral values. For these reasons, I don't see any difference between a peasant who voted for Morsi over Shafiq or vice versa. Personally, I've got nothing against Morsi, I'm trying to simplify the issue to you. It is worth mentioning that Egypt ,when it comes to democracy, is like a three-year-old toddler who barely starts to get on his feets.


Here are some articles which had spoken about the MB extremist views.

Top ten mistakes that led to Mursi

http://www.defence.pk/forums/middle...pt-army-ousts-mursi-govt-updates-news-96.html

Thanks again for the link. Just my take about his Top 10 Morsi mistake.

Below are 10 reasons believed to be why the Islamist president failed to remain in power for his term.

1- The Brotherhoodization of the state

Within months, Mursi appointed Brotherhood members in various state institutions. He assigned five members in different ministries, eight in the presidential office, in addition to seven governors, 12 governorate assistants,13 governorate councilors and 12 city mayors, all in charge of 40 million Egyptians.
Did he have the authority to make those appointments ? It is not unusual to staff critical positions from the party members or faithfuls.

2- Judges and Judiciary

Mursi’s attempts to control the judiciary went against building a democratic state.

He dismissed public prosecutor Abdel Meguid Mahmoud last November, a step that was later ruled out by an Egyptian court as unconstitutional.
The president’s power grab last November was also considered a step that weakens the courts, as it excludes his decrees from judicial oversight.

How often the Court declared Mubarak's act unconstitutional ? These are the legacy Mubarak appointees. They should have been cleaned out.

I do find his attempt to rule by decree troubling, he did roll back on that one.

3- Ousting Mubarak’s military strongman

The dismissal of Field General Mohammed Tantawy, the defense minister under former president Hosni Mubarak, the country’s powerful armed forces looked at Mursi with mistrust. Tantawy, along with other top commanders from the country’s Supreme Council of Armed Forces where the ones who forced Mubarak to leave power.
Consecutive attempts to insult the military by the Muslim Brotherhood, which the president hails from, have made the relation between Mursi and the establishment at unease.

Once again these are tainted apple, it should have been dealt with more finesse. A critical lack of political power maneuvering on his side

4- Crackdown on media

The dismissal of editors heading some of the country’s newspapers, in addition to confiscating a number of newspapers, raised woes regarding the future of media freedom in Egypt under Mursi’s rule.
More than 200 journalists were questioned by the country’s public prosecutor.
The presidential office filed 100 suits against journalists and media figures, including the country’s popular satirist Bassem Youssef.
In a response, the government rebuffed critics, arguing that the move was aimed at suppressing media reports that incite violence or the ones that personally insult the newly-elected president.

Bad move by Morsi, however these are pretty common moves in the the underdeveloped nations

5- Economic failures

-Failing to fulfill promises he had made during Egypt’s presidential elections fueled people against him. Failing to increase wages and improve living conditions.
There were about 558 demonstrations, 514 strikes and 500 sit-ins this year in Egypt.
The ousted president tried to resolve the country’s deteriorating economic crisis by his decision to amend tax laws last November. However, this resulted in increasing prices of essential commodities needed by citizens.

The guy just didn't have enough time.

6- Foreign affairs

The timing of Mursi’s visit to Tehran and Moscow affected how his position from the Syrian crisis was viewed, especially that he came to power following a popular revolution that later inspired the Syrian uprising.

He reached out to many nations, moving away from Mubarak era foreign affairs

7- Real decision makers

Leaders at the Muslim Brotherhood continuously announced decisions and made statements regarding state affairs during public events. This gave people the impression that they were the real policy-makers behind Mursi’s decisions. This has weakened the president’s image in front of the public.

Don't know much about it

8- Emergency declarations

Mursi’s declaration of a state of emergency in three cities near Egypt's Suez Canal, following four days of civil unrest, was deemed as ineffective. The cities were subjected to a 30-day curfew, which according to the constitution, needs to be approved by the parliament or council members. The deceleration was challenged seriously by residents of the cities, who filled the streets despite the curfew.

Can't comment

9- Pardoning prisoners

Mursi’s decision to issue a decree to pardon 22 imprisoned defendants serving sentences in Wadi Natrun prison. Some of the pardoned prisoners faced charges of drug-selling and murder.

is it within the purview of presidential powers ?

10-Accusing opposition

Filing complaints against opposition figures like former nuclear chief Mohammad ElBaradei, opposition leaders Hamdeen Sabahi and Amr Moussa, and a number of media personals accusing them of inciting people against the newly-elected president.

This is the favorite act of the politicians in Bangladesh, filing cases against the opposition when in power.


Overall I just don't see anything like corruption, nepotism, risking the security of the nation, or extreme view detrimental to the State which may call for extreme measure such as coup. A coup maybe appropriate perhaps when all other avenues to seek remedies are effectively shutdown, leaving no other option.

I just don't see how in this case SHTF causing the military to perform coup de tat.

 

[Imran Khan]

Overall I just don't see anything like corruption, nepotism, risking the security of the nation, or extreme view detrimental to the State which may call for extreme measure such as coup. A coup maybe appropriate perhaps when all other avenues to seek remedies are effectively shutdown, leaving no other option.

I just don't see how in this case SHTF causing the military to perform coup de tat.[/COLOR][/B]

man o my man do you forget ? this military rules egypt 65 years from najeeb to husni .how on earth they lay down powers very easily ? it was high time to throw away husni so generals pull back . after a year they are back on business. all this mess created by military in 65 years . you know very well a dictator harm country more then enemy . am i wrong ? political gov need some double time to fix them . 65 years = 1 year they will learn it but after so much damage . my be egypt break apart in this game as usual dictators do. just wait and see . military just give a break as they were tired to be blamed so now they have mursi for blame . public is not democratic at all they can't accept lose as we . go look FB and other site they are abusing each other with full power . for them constitution is a paper .