Afghans in Pakistan: Their home and heart belong here

[Samandri]

Dear if you live in Karachi you will know how those Afghan have become a mafia and mother of all crimes, just try to go in Al-Asif Square and surrounding areas and you will know how they are effecting communities even garbing land and build apartments. Your post show you dont even know that they are becoming a big mess even in interior Sindh.

I am sure you are confusing Pak-pashtuns with Afghans

 

[Basel]

I am sure you are confusing Pak-pashtuns with Afghans

Pak Phaktuns are not as criminals as Afghans are and they have huge influence over Pak Phakhtuns, they are also making them look bad too.

 

[Samandri]

Pak Phaktuns are not as rick and criminals as Afghans are and they have huge influence over Pak Phakhtuns, they are also making them look bad too.

You cant generalize about any community, you have interacted with how many afghans in your life? and you found how many of them "sick" and "criminal"?

 

[شاہد چرسی]

Thank you. Living in America you must know what it feels like to be discriminated against.

Just as you people are generalizing all Afghans, white people generalize us. Do to others what you want done to yourself.

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They generalized all Muslims based on the actions of a few Mirpuri men.

 

[Kharral]

Hi,

If the afghans had outed and turned on the afg terrorists hiding amongst them---I would not have any problem with those afghans becoming pak citizens.



Hi,

That is not the problem---the problem is they they do not participate in the wellbeing of the country that they are living in. They look the other way when terrorists and criminals are hiding amongst them---and do not notify the authorities.

Trust me they are no different than any other section of the society when it comes to ousting the terrorists among them & participating in the well being of the country. These people were an instrument of influence in our foriegn policy, extremism & violence were welcomed & encouraged.The state didn't help herself by propagating resistance to 'Taghoot' as a political objective & then getting in to an alliance with the same 'Taghoot'. Heck I have seen people witnessing murder in day light & refusing to testify in courts.
As long as the state itself is weak not many are going to step up & take a stand . That's why I insist on making our institutions stronger & having a loud & clear counter narrative.

 

[MastanKhan]

Thank you. Living in America you must know what it feels like to be discriminated against.

Just as you people are generalizing all Afghans, white people generalize us. Do to others what you want done to yourself.

Call for national debate on Muslim sex grooming | The Times

Just read this title: Call for national debate on Muslim sex grooming
Now tell me, what the **** is "Muslim sex grooming"?
They generalized all Muslims based on the actions of a few Mirpuri men.

Hi,

The afghan issue is of a terrible problem---.How do you displace so many who don't know anything other than Pakistan as their home?

Well---then the afghans in Pakistan also need to step up looking at the situation and start doing things to help the state and the places where they are living.

The problem is their lack of participation. Why don't they start their own 'neighbor hood watch' and help the state.

The issues is not as simple as that---. Fremont, California is the 2nd Afghanistan in te U S---and I had not come across a single afghan who said thank you---Pakistan helped us a lot. They have nothing good to say about Pakistan--not one and in my business---I have worked with many.

Immigrants to Britain or U S are in majority good citizens and working class people and are grateful for the opportunity.

Afghans are not immigrants---they were displaced refugees because of war and over the 30 plus years period---they have DONE NOTHING FOR THE WELFARE AND WELBEING OF THE COUNTRY except to bring in drugs---bring in illegal weapons---crime of kidnappings---abductions---murder for hire---and all the rest of the kind. That is what the difference is.

 

[syedali73]

They are not patriot to their own country, they'll be loyal to Pakistan? They have captured the businesses that otherwise would have catered the Pakistanis. On top of that, most of them are apologists of terrorism and host and facilitate the terrorists due to their ideological and ethnical affiliations. No, they are not needed here. Pakistanis should simply stop doing business with them and force the government to send them back home.

 

[شاہد چرسی]

I've noticed the Afghans in Pakistan say good things about Pakistan but generally Afghans in Europe and USA don't. I knew a few Afghans in Pakistan, they were mainly restaurant owners and businessmen selling Afghan products and music cds and clothes.

I don't want all the Afghans to leave because I love their food. As long as at least a few Afghani restaurants remain I'll be ok whether they're here or not.

 

[ArsalanKhan21]

There should be conditions for the Citizenship as most countries have.

They should only be allowed to stay after 10 or 15 years as long as they are law abiding and have acquired a degree from a Pakistani institution and they are fluent in URDU.

They should also show evidence of being fully integrated in Pakistani Society. We don't need Afghans who don't respect our National Laws and don't speak our language. No AFGHAN Bastis.

These are refugees not legal immigrants. Looks like you have not been in Pakistan in longtime or lived sheltered life there. These are mostly poor illiterate refugees who have lost everything due to civil war in Afghanistan partly fueled by treasonous policies of ISI and Pakistan Army that has killed more than a million Afghans and created millions of refugees. There is one policy for refugees and another for legal immigrants.

 

[TMA]

I most say after reading this article, now days Afghans seem to be more patriotic Pakistanis then Pakistani themselves.

They seem to be don't they? But are they actually? That is the question.

Today.... its beyond culture, anyone born in Pakistan is Pakistani by law of land!
If someone has complaint than he should ask zardari to change the law, after all he did changed law for captured terrorists!
However, criminals are criminal and should be dealt again according to the law of land.
I know my remarks would upset whole brigade, but this is my opinion.



Cry me a river.....
Many Pakistanis have come home headless... what difference does it make.
Just let me know, how many legal Pakistanis were deported?

Only, if you know, Zardari have issued most ID and passport to northern alliance, who were not even refugees of 80's.
They came to Pakistan, mostly from period of 2007 to 2012.
Only if you know, there is a big scandal about it. Those who have no political influence, international backing does not have papers, even they were born here, educated here, married here.

I was under the impression that to be Pakistani one had to have blood link, not just by birth. So Zardari has really screwed up Pakistan by changing this law. So long Pakistan!

The Afghans who migrated before 2001 should be given Pak nationality deport the rest

What?! Why should they be given nationality! Are you mad? Unless they can prove on a individual basis they they will benefit the country, absolutely not.

Offer a path to citizenship for those that want to become Pakistani. Kick out those that do not want anything to do with Pakistan.

You must be mad! Most Afghan refugees will "want" Pakistani nationality even thought most of them despise Pakistan in their hearts.

 

[Kabira]

They seem to be don't they? But are they actually? That is the question.



I was under the impression that to be Pakistani one had to have blood link, not just by birth. So Zardari has really screwed up Pakistan by changing this law. So long Pakistan!



What?! Why should they be given nationality! Are you mad? Unless they can prove on a individual basis they they will benefit the country, absolutely not.



You must be mad! Most Afghan refugees will "want" Pakistani nationality even thought most of them despise Pakistan in their hearts.

There will likely be riots in Sindh/karachi and balochistan if GoP decide to give CNIC to every afghnai refugee. Only huge province like punjab can absorb them, in sindh/balochistan afghani numbers will make huge difference. Especially Balochistan who have only 10 million people.

 

[TMA]

Threads like this make me marvel at the sheer hypocrisy & bigotry of my fellow coutry men.
Deportation of a community is a better option than building strong institutions ??
I have seen afghans working day & night.
I have seen a guy come to our locality with only a couple of donkeys & within eight years becoming perhaps the biggest business man in our area & I have never seen an afghan begging on the road.
My district has 1 of the highest rate of murders in the country but I m yet to hear about an afghan refugee killing some 1.
With this level of comprehension from our esteemed educated members here I see a bright future ahead.
It's true that a refugee community brings along inherent problems but should we not focus on the development of our institutions.
Why are we wasting our energy on racism when we ought to be asking the real questions & finding answers to those ?
Pakistan has 1 of the largest diaspora of immigrants all around the world would the enlightened members be equally supportive of such measures by another country ?

Those Pakistanis who are illegal immigrants and are being deported by their respective host countries, I have no problem with. Those Pakistanis who commit crimes and are facing deportation, I have no objection to.
In fact even if countries started to deport law abiding legal Pakistanis just because they are not conducive to the national interest, I could not object even though I would not like it, I could not object as it is that countries right.

However most Afghans are either refugees or illegals and most of them do not have Pakistan and her welfare at heart. (Sure there are exceptions but they are rare.)

 

[Zibago]

Any repatriation done must be civil and humane

 

[Always Neutral]

they are not welcomed here .............. go back to your Afghanistan we dont want you here

Well they think the borders where Pukhtoons live belong to them and our Durand was stupid. In the 18th century they killed more muslim of the Royal Army then most. Jirgas always remember HISTORY

 

[war&peace]

We should uphold our culture of hospitality. Afghans shouldn't be deported.

I totally agree with you. Only the bad elements who are involved in terrorism and/or drug trafficking etc should be deported. When we talk about injustices and racist behaviour Arab/Gulf countries vis-a-vis south Asian Muslims, we shouldn't forget that the same principles apply to our homeland too. We should accept them as part and parcel of our society and they are brothers in faith and in need of help. Their country is still not stable. But we have to make sure that none of them is acting against the state of Pakistan.