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Afghanistan invoking Pashtunistan

So the full fledge war has started on all fronts of Pakistan,... US/India nexus is in full glow now,. and they r using all their Pawns.... TTP, MQM and now this Karzai, Achakzai and asfandyaar,... and to cover it Nawaz league,..

they only person that i expect and i havent seen yet is Molana Diesel,..
 
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@A-Team Why don't you respond here to your leaders remarks or will you again in the future shamelessly rant GHQ again and again while not at all speaking on the nefarious designs your state has had and have on Pakistan?
 
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I'm Pashtun, but first I'm a Pakistani. Karzai the rabid dog can go to hell with his opium infested Afghanistan. Not a single Pashtun cares about Afghanistan. We bleed green and love our Pakistan more than our lives. Pashtun regions in Afghanistan are yearning to become part of Pakistan. Afghanistan has neglected its Pashtun population.
 
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@A-Team Why don't you respond here to your leaders remarks or will you again in the future shamelessly rant GHQ again and again while not at all speaking on the nefarious designs your state has had and have on Pakistan?

Well personally for me Karzai is history and has little influence on policy making in Afghanistan, take on an example of Zardari and how is interviews has any influence on Pakistani decision making.

I have not read the interview that he gave as whatever you hear from Ghani is the real deal.

Plus I don't think Pashtunistan is anything viable, never was, Afghans would be smart to get their current house in order period.

I'm Pashtun, but first I'm a Pakistani. Karzai the rabid dog can go to hell with his opium infested Afghanistan. Not a single Pashtun cares about Afghanistan. We bleed green and love our Pakistan more than our lives. Pashtun regions in Afghanistan are yearning to become part of Pakistan. Afghanistan has neglected its Pashtun population.

For a Pakhtoon you seem to have some pretty high manners indeed. Disagree you want, but lets keep it civil plus.

Remember cursing Afghanistan / Afghans is direct disrespect to your ancestors and if you have some blood of Pakhtoon left in you, you do understand the importance of ancestry and blood.

Post reported though.

/peace

Such provocation. Pakistan should drop daisy cutter bombs on Afghan towns and make them realize this is 2016.

Still stuck in 1800s, don't realise how insignificant they really are.

Luckily the world is not run run by keyboards warriors.
 
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Well personally for me Karzai is history and has little influence on policy making in Afghanistan, take on an example of Zardari and how is interviews has any influence on Pakistani decision making.

I have not read the interview that he gave as whatever you hear from Ghani is the real deal.

Plus I don't think Pashtunistan is anything viable, never was, Afghans would be smart to get their current house in order period.



For a Pakhtoon you seem to have some pretty high manners indeed. Disagree you want, but lets keep it civil plus.

Remember cursing Afghanistan / Afghans is direct disrespect to your ancestors and if you have some blood of Pakhtoon left in you, you do understand the importance of ancestry and blood.

Post reported though.

/peace



Luckily the world is not run run by keyboards warriors.

Report as much as you like. You don't threaten me. Afghans hate Pakistan yet multiply in the millions over here. I don't relate to haters like Afghans. I'm loyal to my soil and people. Pakistan is my land. I've nothing in common with hateful and deceitful Afghans. Just wait till we have expelled every last Afghan from Pakistan. Only a matter of time.
 
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Report as much as you like. You don't threaten me. Afghans hate Pakistan yet multiply in the millions over here. I don't relate to haters like Afghans. I'm loyal to my soil and people. Pakistan is my land. Just wait till we have expelled every last Afghan from Pakistan. Only a matter of time.

Yes you are a Pakistani by nationality no doubt, but did you come from the moon? So you are saying you are ashamed for you grandfathers and great father ? :D You do know they were Afghans before even Pakistan was on the map of the world.

Imagine them turning in their graves to see the sight of their kind forsaking their blood, isn't it the height of hypocrisy ? I mean if you are not loyal to your blood, how can one be sure you are loyal to Pakistan.

Report as much as you like. You don't threaten me. Afghans hate Pakistan yet multiply in the millions over here. I don't relate to haters like Afghans. I'm loyal to my soil and people. Pakistan is my land. I've nothing in common with hateful and deceitful Afghans. Just wait till we have expelled every last Afghan from Pakistan. Only a matter of time.

Anyways we are done arguing, the more you curse the more you lose the argument and the more you look like a clown.

Grow up.

@A-Team Why don't you respond here to your leaders remarks or will you again in the future shamelessly rant GHQ again and again while not at all speaking on the nefarious designs your state has had and have on Pakistan?

Did I answer you all right now ? Or this still room for ranting ? :)
 
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So the full fledge war has started on all fronts of Pakistan,... US/India nexus is in full glow now,. and they r using all their Pawns.... TTP, MQM and now this Karzai, Achakzai and asfandyaar,... and to cover it Nawaz league,..

they only person that i expect and i havent seen yet is Molana Diesel,..

He is waiting for the highest bidder...

http://blogs.tribune.com.pk/story/3...relationship-with-afghanistan-will-never-end/

Banaras Khan was eight when he came to Pakistan in 1979, shortly after the Russians arrived in Afghanistan. He was the second eldest son, who crossed the Pak-Afghan border at Mohmand by foot with only his mother. His father had two wives – and he chose to settle down with Banaras’ stepmother in Peshawar.

Banaras and his mother came with nothing to a country completely foreign to them. They took refuge with an old Afghan neighbour who was already residing in a rented home in my neighbourhood. His mother borrowed some money in the hopes of starting their life again. She began to make choli (beans) for her son, like she always did back in Afghanistan. Eventually, Banaras started to sell the choli at the village street and what was once the only thing that connected them to the home they left behind was now their source of income. All the while his older brother, Malik Khan, was busy in the war against the Russians. As gut wrenching as it was to be part of a family that was no longer intact, Malik’s visits every now and then was still a happier alternative to losing him to war altogether.

37 years ago, they would’ve never imagined that stepping into a country completely unknown to them would’ve been the best decision they ever made. The initial hardships and daily struggles of being part of a family that was torn apart by war seem to be a blur in the past. Banaras’ business gave them a new slice of life as it grew bigger than they suspected it would. Banaras is now a famous choli seller in the village while his older brother runs a choli shop in the main market. Both the brothers now find themselves happily married and have sons and daughters of their own. They earn enough to encourage their sons to pursue an education from the local schools and colleges in town – they’ve been able to provide their children with a normal life, one they did not have the privilege of having earlier.


Not once have they had to think about going back to Afghanistan.

Last month, an announcement in town regarding repatriation forced Banaras Khan and his family to think about relocating; most of their relatives have already headed back. The prospect has been heavy not only on their minds, but on their pockets as well. They have had to cut down on their business in fear of the police, who have found an excuse to harass them regularly – demanding refugee cards or bribes in exchange to live on peacefully for a while longer.

Banaras’ son, Sikandar, was not ready to move. He’s studying engineering in Pakistan and he feared that relocating will ask him to compromise and tamper his education. But, when his Pakistani friends kept on asking him when he was heading back ‘home’, he couldn’t help but consider it. He became fed up by all the constant questioning, making him feel as though, all of a sudden, he’s not welcome in this country anymore. These hatter voices upset him and, even though he once strongly opposed the idea, he is now trying to convince his father to go back to Afghanistan.

Not once had Sikandar ever thought about Afghanistan. He has never seen Afghanistan in his life. Even his father insisting that they visit their homeland did not make him change his mind. His response would always declare Pakistan as his homeland; where he was born, where he studies, where he got married and, which now is home to his child.

He’s been raised all his life and breathed in this culture and their frame of mind. He, too, has been taught to dislike India just like any other Pakistani college student. He cheers uncontrollably for Pakistan during a heated India-Pakistan match. He has studied from the same textbooks and agrees with why India has lost Pakistan’s loyalty. He considers India his enemy, just like his other fellow Pakistani students. He bleeds as green on the August 14th as every other Pakistani when the day plays out. He knows the national anthem by heart, he’s been singing it every day, all his life at school assemblies.

And yet, his Pakistani friend had the gall to call him a friend of India.

Sikandar grew up here and expanded his business here. He loves Pakistan more than Afghanistan, yet he is not considered a Pakistani. He revisits history when Pakistanis were divided about supporting the US during the Russian war, and then the US invasion of his native land. Despite everything, he will always support Pakistan over anything; he will love Pakistan even when he goes back to Afghanistan, because no one can make him hate this country, not even all those speeches that are spread across the border.

He knows that grievances can come between two brothers, but nothing can separate them forever. These man-made boundaries can stop us for some time, but they cannot divide us forever because in hard times, we will come together again.
 
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For a Pakhtoon you seem to have some pretty high manners indeed. Disagree you want, but lets keep it civil plus.

Remember cursing Afghanistan / Afghans is direct disrespect to your ancestors and if you have some blood of Pakhtoon left in you, you do understand the importance of ancestry and blood.

Post reported though.

/peace

With all due respect sir, Karzai was a refugee in Pakistan and Pakistan took care of him and his family when he was in dire need of it, and decades later he speaks ill and dreams of splitting up Pakistan, a person like that doesn't deserve an iota of respect at all.

Let me give you an example so you can clearly understand what kind of a person Karzai truly is or any other Afghani who was a refugee in Pakistan goes back to Afghanistan and speaks ill of us, lets suppose I was in a bad state or my life was threatened, you feeling pity on me and out of good will takes me into your own house, introduces me to your family and provides me with food, water and shelter for years, and me instead of being selfless and grateful for the kind gesture you have done for me, instead I back stabs you and start sleeping with your wife, I won't be the kind of person who deserve respect in any shape or form, I would essentially be a haramkhor and a namakharam because that is the very definitions of those words.

Hamid Karzai is a haramkhor, an ungrateful haramkhor who back-stabs the very nation who took him and his family in and provided him and his family with food, shelter and clothes, and he does not befits even an ounce of respect from Pakistanis at all.

Yes you are a Pakistani by nationality no doubt, but did you come from the moon? So you are saying you are ashamed for you grandfathers and great father ? :D You do know they were Afghans before even Pakistan was on the map of the world.

Imagine them turning in their graves to see the sight of their kind forsaking their blood, isn't it the height of hypocrisy ? I mean if you are not loyal to your blood, how can one be sure you are loyal to Pakistan.

You sir call yourself a Muslim and yet divide up the Muslims with your Afghan blood :lol:

Pakistan is an ideological state not a racial one like yours and our ideology is Islam, which means neither Punjabis, Sindhis, Balochis, Pathans and Urdu Speakers like me value their own "blood" over Islam, so you sir can keep your precious Afghan blood to yourself, one day you will also be turning in your grave just like how you claim your grandfathers bones is turning today, ethnic nationalism has never been successful and In-sh'Allah racial Afghanistan won't be as well Ameen.
 
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With all due respect sir, Karzai was a refugee in Pakistan and Pakistan took care of him and his family when he was in dire need of it, and decades later he speaks ill and dreams of splitting up Pakistan, a person like that doesn't deserve an iota of respect at all.

Let me give you an example so you can clearly understand what kind of a person Karzai truly is or any other Afghani who was a refugee in Pakistan goes back to Afghanistan and speaks ill of us, lets suppose I was in a bad state or my life was threatened, you feeling pity on me and out of good will takes me into your own house, introduces me to your family and provides me with food, water and shelter for years, and me instead of being selfless and grateful for the kind gesture you have done for me, instead I back stabs you and start sleeping with your wife, I won't be the kind of person who deserve respect in any shape or form, I would essentially be a haramkhor and a namakharam because that is the very definitions of those words.

Hamid Karzai is a haramkhor, an ungrateful haramkhor who back-stabs the very nation who took him and his family in and provided him and his family with food, shelter and clothes, and he does not befits even an ounce of respect from Pakistanis at all.



You sir call yourself a Muslim and yet divide up the Muslims with your Afghan blood :lol:

Pakistan is an ideological state not a racial one like yours and our ideology is Islam, which means neither Punjabis, Sindhis, Balochis, Pathans and Urdu Speakers like me value their own "blood" over Islam, so you sir can keep your precious Afghan blood to yourself, one day you will also be turning in your grave just like how you claim your grandfathers bones is turning today, ethnic nationalism has never been successful and In-sh'Allah racial Afghanistan won't be as well Ameen.

So you are saying you are ashamed of your blood and where you came from? I think that is ignorant.

I am proud to be an Afghan Pakhtoon, that doesn't me any less or more superior to my other fellow Afghans, it is my identity and as the famous Tyrion Lannister would say I wear it like an armour :D
 
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So you are saying you are ashamed of your blood and where you came from? I think that is ignorant.

My father was 5 years old when he and his family left everything in India and came to Pakistan with nothing more than a bag of clothes and other essentials, I don't even know what my blood truly is just my last name is Khan and I'm proud of it, to heck with racial blood, I am a Muslim and a Pakistani and I'm proud of who I am.

I am proud to be an Afghan Pakhtoon, that doesn't me any less or more superior to my other fellow Afghans, it is my identity and as the famous Tyrion Lannister would say I wear it like an armour :D

Wouldn't amount to anything you divide the Muslims with your race.
 
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So you are saying you are ashamed of your blood and where you came from? I think that is ignorant.

I am proud to be an Afghan Pakhtoon, that doesn't me any less or more superior to my other fellow Afghans, it is my identity and as the famous Tyrion Lannister would say I wear it like an armour :D

Not all pakhtoons come from Afghanistan or have roots there. Alot of tribes have their historical roots in current KPK / FATA and have been living there since centuries. Same as Punjabis both on our and Indian side.
 
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So you are saying you are ashamed of your blood and where you came from? I think that is ignorant.

I am proud to be an Afghan Pakhtoon, that doesn't me any less or more superior to my other fellow Afghans, it is my identity and as the famous Tyrion Lannister would say I wear it like an armour :D
I told you Afghans have a mania of blaming Pakistan. If its not durand line its terrorism, if not that then alliance with America. Afghans do not understand that blaming another nation will do nothing for them. They had leaders like Abdur Rehman Khan who threw Durrani lands. The had leaders like Shah Shuja and Dost Muhammad Khan who looked the British's boot. Blaming us for being a British construct is idiocy if the Afghans do not consider the fact that they allied with British under these leaders, Russia under percham and America under Karzai/Ghani.

The ultimate solution is for Afghans to decide what they really want. From what I have seen its a fractured society, not only for/against support of the Taliban but also its ethnic tensions. Karzai should first ask the Tajiks Uzbeks and Hazaras. They are against the pashtuns already and Afghanistan wants to add more by politicizing the Durand line. It won't work. Pashtuns are loyal and economically more powerful than Afghan nationals. Nothing can divide the unity of our land.

A-team the army consists more of Tajiks, Uzbeks and Hazaras than Pashtuns. Doesn't that worry you that internally Pashtuns are insecure and yet the leaders aren't forgetting the durand line which they themselves formed with the British.
 
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My father was 5 years old when he and his family left everything in India and came to Pakistan with nothing more than a bag of clothes and other essentials, I don't even know what my blood truly is just my last name is Khan and I'm proud of it, to heck with racial blood, I am a Muslim and a Pakistani and I'm proud of who I am.



Wouldn't amount to anything you divide the Muslims with your race.

You see your contradicting yourself here, you call yourself Pakistani and then Muslim aka put yourself in a certain group per se which is exactly my point i.e. we are not all the same we have a background that we cant completely contradicte. Even Islam says that we have been divided into groups so that we can distinguish one from other but it doesn't mean we are better than one another.

So my point being, dont forget your background it doesnt make you better but its where you come from.

Not all pakhtoons come from Afghanistan or have roots there. Alot of tribes have their historical roots in current KPK / FATA and have been living there since centuries. Same as Punjabis both on our and Indian side.

Living physical location does not negate who you are, you may have lived for a century in North Korea that will make you North Korea by nationality but your origins still remain the same. If you are pakhtoon you are an Afghan, there is no middle ground.

That being said I don't really care who you consider yourself to be ;)
 
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Living physical location does not negate who you are, you may have lived for a century in North Korea that will make you North Korea by nationality but your origins still remain the same. If you are pakhtoon you are an Afghan, there is no middle ground.

That being said I don't really care who you consider yourself to be ;)

Pakhtoon DNA is still a topic of discussion amongst historians . Some call them the lost tribes of bani israel , some have Greek DNA etc etc . This Pakhtoon being an Afghan is only propagated by Afghans . It's the same as Afghan's having 5000 year old history . One of the many false propaganda and delusions by afghans .
 
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You see your contradicting yourself here, you call yourself Pakistani and then Muslim aka put yourself in a certain group per se which is exactly my point i.e. we are not all the same we have a background that we cant completely contradicte. Even Islam says that we have been divided into groups so that we can distinguish one from other but it doesn't mean we are better than one another.

So my point being, dont forget your background it doesnt make you better but its where you come from.

If my background leads to the division of Muslims and if I start valuing my own race more than other Muslims then yes it becomes a curse, if the Native Muslims from Medina (Ansars) had valued their own tribe and race more than the Native Makkans (Muhajireens) Muslims then today their would have been no Islam.

So I'm glad my grandfathers chose to travel to Pakistan whose Ideology is Islam and a nation created for the Muslims regardless of race, because of that if you consider yourself a Muslim first more then your own race then you are my brother, by blood if it has to be, but if you value your race and blood more than Islam and other Muslims then we have nothing in common.
 
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