Afghanistan - A hotbed for racism against Pakistan

[Mian Babban]

There's an equivalent, tora/tor jokes (or something) among Pashtuns directed at Punjabis

We have farting jokes about Punjabis, that they fart in public.

 

[xairhossi]

We have farting jokes about Punjabis, that they fart in public.

lol

 

[Spring Onion]

If Pakistanis (or should i say Uncle Sam) had not 'saved' Afghans , then there still would have been Afghans in Afghanistan though of commie label who actually approached Pakhtunistan and Durand line issue more aggressively (e.g Najibullah).....the fact of the matter is, there was already potent insurgency going on in rural Afghanistan against commies before involvement of Uncle Sam, though the insurgents had no stingers, RPG-7 etc.......it was the already going on insurgency in Afghanistan which convinced the Uncle Sam to invest in it. Without the involvement of Uncle Sam and its lackeys, the Afghan insurgency (which historically is always triggered against either foreign invasions or attempts of interference in their ways and customs) would have died down. But Uncle Sam gave them deadly stingers. ISI and CIA introduced some very unnatural elements into Afghan society which ruined the Pashtun society on both sides of Durand. In the 1980s the CIA was unable to find anyone among the Afghan mujahideen who would be willing to carry out a suicide bombing:

OHH Monkey the Luffy welcome back.

Baban luffy how many IDs will you make???

@waz

Your Uncle Sam has failed to save Afghans today so was back in 80s. It is WE the DAAL KHOR Pakistanis who always saved your masters' the Afghans @$$ even before the partition.

You guys were only good for nothing allowing every invader to pass through Afghan territory for entering Subcontinent and thus you saved your @$$ES every time without putting any significant fight.



Now as far as your claim in RED about " Potent Afghan insurgencies" against Soviet before involvement of US and Pakistani well I would say with full conviction that these were not potent but impotent internal fight between your own Afghan political setup which by that time was divided into Khalaq and Parcham. In fact is that it was an internal rebellion wherein the parchamis made a number of attempts to kick out Khalais. Tarakai and Amin were getting thirsty for each other's blood and ultimately Taraki/Tarakai was killed and thus Amin got the power and backing of Soviets. But Soviets were brainy enough to understand that Amin would hardly survive in a conservative Afghanistan since he was more communist than the communists themselves.

All in all even After direct and open invasion by Soviets, Afghan insurgency was not basically against Rusis but it was against that Parcham, Khala rivalry while Babrak Karmal still siting in lap of Soviets ready to get installed as ruler with invasion of Afghanistan.
While many prominent leaders fled to Pakistan and my city Peshawar hosted them nurtured them fed them and made provided the power.
Give Pakistan the due credit we deserve. You may try to to boost your ego by calling Pakistanis daal khor or hindus but the matter of fact is that it was Pakistan and it is Pakistan which had the biggest share in ousting all kinds of invaders from modern Afghanistan.

 

[django]

It is also observed in Pakistan and India. A very dark-skinned person is mocked as 'Kala Kalota, 'Kalay', 'Kaliya', 'Kaloo'........Some authors of Urdu books who eyewitnessed the events before 1971 in East Bengal, have reported that Punjabi bureaucrats and officers of Army as well as Urdu speakers were mocking the complexion and height of local Bengalis.

You will hurl any insult against he people you despise and consider them your enemy. Dhalkhor word is non-issue. The real issue, which members here dont want to admit, is dispute over Durand line.

Whatever Samandri bhai.

 

[Talwar e Pakistan]

You people mock dark skinned people in your village?....and here members are claiming that there is not a shred of racism in Pakistanis

Unfortunately this happens in some areas, especially backward areas.

We have farting jokes about Punjabis, that they fart in public.

We don't do that, lol.

 

[django]

There's an equivalent, tora/tor jokes (or something) among Pashtuns directed at Punjabis

Tor is what they they call dark skinned pashtuns from Afghanistan.

 

[Spring Onion]

It is also observed in Pakistan and India. A very dark-skinned person is mocked as 'Kala Kalota, 'Kalay', 'Kaliya', 'Kaloo'........Some authors of Urdu books who eyewitnessed the events before 1971 in East Bengal, have reported that Punjabi bureaucrats and officers of Army as well as Urdu speakers were mocking the complexion and height of local Bengalis.

You will hurl any insult against he people you despise and consider them your enemy. Dhalkhor word is non-issue. The real issue, which members here dont want to admit, is dispute over Durand line.

there is no durand line. It is International Border.

The issue with Afghanistanis is that they do not want to share power. It is a situation like that of 71 of Pakistan.

Now as far as racism is concerned indeed we are as much racists as anyone.

In fact even the Pashtuns of Pakistan commit racism against Afghanistani Pashtuns.


The only issue here is that AFghans had been fed by same daal khors for many decades still you guys do not have even a fraction of humanity to avoid badmouthing.

But again I would say majority of poor Afghan pashtuns are not part of it but people like you who have an identity crisis for the Afghans do not own you and call you Pakistani while you are too self-goal oriented that you carry a complex and want to club yourself with Afghans of Afghanistan but those of Pakistan.

 

[Mian Babban]

OHH Monkey the Luffy welcome back.

Baban luffy how many IDs will you make???

@waz

You are welcoming me back and at the same time reporting me to the moderator ? dont stoop so low bibi. The facebook ID with which i was logging in , is blocked, so i cant log-in as "Braith", thats why this ID.

Your Uncle Sam has failed to save Afghans today so was back in 80s. It is WE the DAAL KHOR Pakistanis who always saved your masters' the Afghans @$$ even before the partition.

America is not my uncle Sam, its uncle of you. And i am also a Daal-eater like you.

You guys were only good for nothing allowing every invader to pass through Afghan territory for entering Subcontinent and thus you saved your @$$ES every time without putting any significant fight.

"You guys"? by that i guess you mean ethnic Pashtun people.....i have studied history of Pashtuns in detail and i can assure you through references that we did not allow invaders to pass through our lands without resistance. In fact people of Yaghistan (the land of the free and unruly) maintained their independence from time immemorial to Sikh period.

Now as far as your claim in RED about " Potent Afghan insurgencies" against Soviet before involvement of US and Pakistani well I would say with full conviction that these were not potent but impotent internal fight between your own Afghan political setup which by that time was divided into Khalaq and Parcham. In fact is that it was an internal rebellion wherein the parchamis made a number of attempts to kick out Khalais. Tarakai and Amin were getting thirsty for each other's blood and ultimately Taraki/Tarakai was killed and thus Amin got the power and backing of Soviets. But Soviets were brainy enough to understand that Amin would hardly survive in a conservative Afghanistan since he was more communist than the communists themselves.

All in all even After direct and open invasion by Soviets, Afghan insurgency was not basically against Rusis but it was against that Parcham, Khala rivalry while Babrak Karmal still siting in lap of Soviets ready to get installed as ruler with invasion of Afghanistan.
While many prominent leaders fled to Pakistan and my city Peshawar hosted them nurtured them fed them and made provided the power.
Give Pakistan the due credit we deserve. You may try to to boost your ego by calling Pakistanis daal khor or hindus but the matter of fact is that it was Pakistan and it is Pakistan which had the biggest share in ousting all kinds of invaders from modern Afghanistan.

I was talking rural Afghans, not Khalq and Parchamis. Immediateky after invasion by Soviets, the insurgancy of villagers started against Soviet invasion.....Stephen Tanner says ;

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[ZenBird]

@CleanWell is this Malwai?

Sounds like a typical educated person from the city in Malwa speaking Punjabi. True Malwai Punjabi uses words that are hard to understand, specially in the belt of Sangrur but it only spoken by a few even in villages. Punjabi in India is being standardized to Majhi because that is what is spoken in schools.

Somewhat a funny example but the people in Family 420 show speak typical Malwai

 

[Spring Onion]

He and many others are gloating over successes of Sikhs against "Afghanis" in early 19th century but it were mostly Pashtun tribes of plain areas of KP who were at the receiving end and were given a bloody nose by the European-trained and disciplined Sikh army.

And hence according to you the Pashtuns of plain areas of KP were not Afghans hence your confused ideology of ego is not bruised?

You know your argument is similar to that of Indians when it comes to debate over Muslim invasion of Hindu lands the Indians duck just like you and disown even own RELIGION by saying "oo the Hindu women of ancient Pakistan were raped and Hindus of ancient Pakistan were invaded by Muslim invaders. hence Indians do not share the burden of being invaded for decades.".

Luffy here your argument is the same you disown the Pashtuns/Afghans just because Punjabi Sikh rule bruises and kill your ego altogether hence just disown own ethnicity for a while.

BUT you know what is dilemma of Pakistanis like me ? The dilemma is that just because of few Pashtuns like you who have a Nationality crisis, we the Pakistanis of Pakistani Pashtun side end up defending your Afghanistani Afghans when debating with Indian Hindus while at times we also end up defending Indian Punjabi Sikhs or Hindus when debating with people like you.


All in all you both are the same while Pakistanis are on a moderate path.

 

[Mian Babban]

In fact even the Pashtuns of Pakistan commit racism against Afghanistani Pashtuns.
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For example you and others here (the Ultra nationalist Pakistanis i.e Zahid Hamidis). I and many other Pashtuns of Pakistan do not commit racism against Pashtuns of Afghanistan in the name of Pakistani nationalism. How can we? we are one and same people, its like spitting on your own face. Sure there are people like you who provoke them by saying "kala ba ze" and they respond by calling you Daalkhor.

And hence according to you the Pashtuns of plain areas of KP were not Afghans hence your confused ideology of ego is not bruised?

You know your argument is similar to that of Indians when it comes to debate over Muslim invasion of Hindu lands the Indians duck just like you and disown even own RELIGION by saying "oo the Hindu women of ancient Pakistan were raped and Hindus of ancient Pakistan were invaded by Muslim invaders. hence Indians do not share the burden of being invaded for decades.".

Luffy here your argument is the same you disown the Pashtuns/Afghans just because Punjabi Sikh rule bruises and kill your ego altogether hence just disown own ethnicity for a while.

BUT you knowing what is dilemma of Pakistanis like me ? The dilemma is that just because of few Pashtuns like you who have a Nationality crisis, we the Pakistanis of Pakistani Pashtun side end up defending your Afghanistani Afghans when debating with Indian Hindus while at times we also end up defending Indian Punjabi Sikhs or Hindus when debating with people like you.


All in all you both are the same while Pakistanis are on a moderate path.

??? how about knowing context before posting?. Your like-minded Shaheen Missile was mocking Afghanistanis that they received beatings from Sikhs. I reminded your friend that its unwise to do so because it were mostly Pashtuns of KP who were harassed by Sikhs, only plain areas of KP were conquered by Sikhs. The Pashtuns of present-day never experienced Sikh rule. So when a Pakistani throw taunts at citizen of Afghanistan for being at the receiving end, he is also including Pashtuns of present-day Pakistan who bravely fought against Sikh occupation. So one has to be careful.

 

[Spring Onion]

You are welcoming me back and at the same time reporting me to the moderator ? dont stoop so low bibi. The facebook ID with which i was logging in , is blocked, so i cant log-in as "Braith", thats why this ID.


America is not my uncle Sam, its uncle of you. And i am also a Daal-eater like you.

Multiple IDs are against the forum rules. There is nothing stooping low in reporting the violation.

"You guys"? by that i guess you mean ethnic Pashtun people.....i have studied history of Pashtuns in detail and i can assure you through references that we did not allow invaders to pass through our lands without resistance. In fact people of Yaghistan (the land of the free and unruly) maintained their independence from time immemorial to Sikh period.

Bwahahahahahahahah and the winner is Pakistani Pashtuns. Please monkey the luffy dear tell my PDF fellows that Yaghistan infact was FATA in the old day. FATA was called Yaghistan by the Turkish invaders ,

Another fact is that plain areas of KPK like Swat, Dir, Buner and Pangora etc etc were also part of Yaghistan.

I was talking rural Afghans, not Khalq and Parchamis. Immediateky after invasion by Soviets, the insurgancy of villagers started against Soviet invasion.....Stephen Tanner says ;

I have already studied the reference you are quoting here please carefully read Amin and his people joined hands against Soviets just because of their own political interests. In fact it still a power struggle while at the same time conservative Afghan Muslims were more concerned about Islamic values being tarnished with invasion hence the fear.

Still it was not an insurgency in true words

 

[haviZsultan]

@Mian Babban Luffy is back with another id. I have seen you abusing pakistan on that khar dimagh Afghan forum. Apparently every patriotic Pakistani disappears from that site. He is not even banned, just his password changed by khar e Afghan Admins whose ego feels threatened every time a true Pakistani pashtun appears. Its hilarious you are now bemoaning pdf from which you were banned for a very valid reason-damaging the unity of Pakistan and its ethnic groups who wish to live in harmony. Compared to pashtunforums this site is extremely welcoming of opposing views.

Talk about a site with an agenda that purposely vets Pakistani pashtuns, the majority who are extremely loyal to Pakistan. Plus Afghan Pashtuns and Pakistani pashtuns speak same language and I have been informed that a lot of Pakistani pashtuns hating pakistan are Afghan nationals in reality, their purpose to influence Pakistani pashtuns into becoming anti national. They will never succeed.

Taking pride in our history, culture and traditions is one thing, abusing and hating your nation is another. No matter how much I love Pashtuns Afghan nationals will receive a tight slap if they ever try to break our country. I say the same about muhajirs like Syed Jamaluddin and Altaf Hussain too.

May those namakharam racists rot.

 

[Mian Babban]

Multiple IDs are against the forum rules. There is nothing stooping low in reporting the violation.

No, you stooped low, dont welcome somebody while in the same post trying to get him banned. I am not the type of person who operates multiple IDs, only one at a time. I have no reason to not utilize "Braith" ID which also has a sticky thread on history section. If i am not then use your brain, i unable to login with that ID for a reason i mentioned. In fact i informed the Admins about the situation in GHQ by creating an ID few months ago but they did not respond and banned me. Now i have returned after months and some one is showing her efficiency.

 

[haviZsultan]

OHH Monkey the Luffy welcome back.

Baban luffy how many IDs will you make???

@waz

Your Uncle Sam has failed to save Afghans today so was back in 80s. It is WE the DAAL KHOR Pakistanis who always saved your masters' the Afghans @$$ even before the partition.

You guys were only good for nothing allowing every invader to pass through Afghan territory for entering Subcontinent and thus you saved your @$$ES every time without putting any significant fight.



Now as far as your claim in RED about " Potent Afghan insurgencies" against Soviet before involvement of US and Pakistani well I would say with full conviction that these were not potent but impotent internal fight between your own Afghan political setup which by that time was divided into Khalaq and Parcham. In fact is that it was an internal rebellion wherein the parchamis made a number of attempts to kick out Khalais. Tarakai and Amin were getting thirsty for each other's blood and ultimately Taraki/Tarakai was killed and thus Amin got the power and backing of Soviets. But Soviets were brainy enough to understand that Amin would hardly survive in a conservative Afghanistan since he was more communist than the communists themselves.

All in all even After direct and open invasion by Soviets, Afghan insurgency was not basically against Rusis but it was against that Parcham, Khala rivalry while Babrak Karmal still siting in lap of Soviets ready to get installed as ruler with invasion of Afghanistan.
While many prominent leaders fled to Pakistan and my city Peshawar hosted them nurtured them fed them and made provided the power.
Give Pakistan the due credit we deserve. You may try to to boost your ego by calling Pakistanis daal khor or hindus but the matter of fact is that it was Pakistan and it is Pakistan which had the biggest share in ousting all kinds of invaders from modern Afghanistan.

Spring Onion Luffy has not studied how Abdur Rehman Khan threw away lar pashtun lands to save Kabul, to save his bar pashtuns. The durand line agreement was signed by him and he was an Afghan monarch. While Pakistani pashtuns sought help from Afghanistan and fought them like Faqir of Ipi, Pallay Khan, Buner rebellion, Mehsud and Wazir uprising and later for the Muslim league to gain freedom from British the Afghan nationals were calling them slaves of punjabis dal khors and refusing to help them. There are thousands of families who looked up to Afghanistan and sought help from them to defeat the British but were treated brutally by Afghans. That country now wants Pakistani pashtuns when they are rich and powerful.

The partition of pashtun lands is solely the mistake of Afghan nationals, no one else. Yet its amazing they think Pakistani pashtuns are lesser pashtuns when they themselves have no culture. Where were the Lodhis and Duranis born? This is the height of delusion and utter shameless racism.