Afghan Taliban will support Pakistan against foreign aggression

[naveen mishra]

what a proud moment for pakistani

 

[I.R.A]

Surprisingly, the announcement was not made public by the Emarat Islami Afghanistan, the official name of the Afghan Taliban, and was released by Maulana Samiul Haq,

According to the statement, the Ittehad Ulema-i-Afghanistan — a little known entity

Pakistan should be wary of such statements .......... this appears to be some statement made for staying relevant.

• What kind of support can AT offer to Pakistan ....... diplomatic? Arms? What exactly would be the nature of support? Are they in a position to lend any support at all?

• There is no need for such announcements to be made public, if there is any such alliance, its a given who would support whom ............ but again AT are in no position to support Pakistan, we know that and they know that.

• Sami ul Haq sb. should realise by now that in 16 years lot changes, people who hold influence have to retire one day ........ as the nature of conflict is in Afghanistan ...... many new young faces would have emerged as AT field commanders in Afghanistan ...... they may not have any regard to who Sami ul Haq is ...... colonel Imam and his assassination is a classic example of how things change dramatically overnight.

• AT don't seem to solely rely on any support from Pakistan ....... it appears that they have direct channels with regional powers and neighboring countries.

 

[Thorough Pro]

I am just waiting for India to send it's forces in Afghanistan.

 

[MultaniGuy]

lol let the Indians send in their troops to Afghanistan. The Indian troops will come back in body bags.

 

[illusion8]

lol let the Indians send in their troops to Afghanistan. The Indian troops will come back in body bags.

I am just waiting for India to send it's forces in Afghanistan.

Taliban don't fight man to man like soldiers do. They use suicide bombers, attack isolated camps in the middle of the night etc. Indians realise that normal soldiers who are conditioned to fight wars and battles on fields will not suit such wussy tactics that taliban use. The way to take them out is to explode them from inside.

 

[I.R.A]

Taliban don't fight man to man like soldiers do. They use suicide bombers, attack isolated camps in the middle of the night etc. Indians realise that normal soldiers who are conditioned to fight wars and battles on fields will not suit such wussy tactics that taliban use. The way to take them out is to explode them from inside.

But in Kashmir its a man to man fight? Silly me I thought half of indian military would be conditioned by now to fight guerrilla war.

 

[illusion8]

But in Kashmir its a man to man fight? Silly me I thought half of indian military would be conditioned by now to fight guerrilla war.

Taliban are burroughed into caves like rats. The CIA drone program and attack helis were an effective tactic to take out taliban. Kashmir is different. Terrorists are part of the population in Kashmir. Its similar to how your paramilitary operates in Karachi.

 

[Verve]

Another of Naimatullah Shah Wali's coming true (re Kabul helping Pakistan fight Indians in the big war) ...

@PakSword


US will not directly attack Pakistan (via sea or Afghanistan for that matter). India will do that job.

 

[A-Team]

@A-Team This goes back to what I'm saying, don't read too much into it, but it signals the opposite of what you were assuming might happen.

Which was? Actually it goes on to show to both the Afghans and the international community that Talis are not but lackies of Pakistan. In away the Talis just shot themselves in the foot.

You should check Today's Financial Times article on how Pakistan is being put on notice ( not an ally anymore).
So in a sense my predictions are coming true.

Excellent logic. This is the lowest common denominator model.

What do you expect from proxies? Anyways who in their right mind would want to be allied with the Talis?

Well we really don't need their help we should distance ourselves from them asap man.

While the rest of the world is forging ahead, Pak is finding new allies in the shape of Talis! Way to go my friends.

 

[The Sandman]

While the rest of the world is forging ahead, Pak is finding new allies in the shape of Talis! Way to go my friends.

This is not official policy of Pakistan this was allegedly announced by the Taliban themselves through maulana sami ul haq we don't want any association with such groups this wasn't even discussed on our media tells you the worth of this statement and this guy in Pakistan.

 

[Jungibaaz]

Which was? Actually it goes on to show to both the Afghans and the international community that Talis are not but lackies of Pakistan. In away the Talis just shot themselves in the foot.

You should check Today's Financial Times article on how Pakistan is being put on notice ( not an ally anymore).
So in a sense my predictions are coming true.

I think being Afghan and clearly having the personal interest of peace and preference for the current Kabul regime means that you are perhaps unable to look at this too objectively, you could also accuse us in Pakistan of doing the same, only with our own biases. The US has no real interest in whether the Taliban run Afghanistan, or the opposition to the Taliban, or if some other circus of different characters in the Iran-Af-Pak region rule. It has tried its best to defeat the taliban, using all its might, all its troops, all its unparalleled and inexhaustible resources. Why do you think it is that they're unable to defeat a bunch of militia with small arms and motorcycles? Please don't tell me you believe it's down to Pakistan, which apparently in the estimation of some must be a superpower without any equal to disrupt the plans and oppose the combined will of the most powerful nations on earth. Somewhere your calculation of these matters must end with the fact that the talibs are a homegrown insurgency local to Afghanistan, whether they get support from Pakistan might only determine their effectiveness but never enough to undermine their existence.

Also, the US has had its fair share of opportunities to cut off ties with Pakistan, remove the farce of an alliance. When the Americans found out about Bin Laden, they had one such notable opportunity. I read the article just now, and what's striking is how little critical analysis on the US and the West's narrative is provided by their media internally. To talk about Pakistan and the US as allies would imply that their interests are aligned in Afghanistan, and that further, their methods and vision are not only aligned but the work for doing so is being undertaken, bilaterally and in unison. Nothing could be further from the truth, Pakistan's planning ahead for the days of eventual US draw down and/or defeat, or the possibility of a reconciliation process, and all other post-war or game changing outcomes. Pakistan has realised it's an unwinnable war and it plans for what happens after that fact is established. The US plans I can't speak of as confidently, publicly, they want to win the war, which I'm sure they realise won't happen, perhaps within circles of power they have other plans and maybe the long term goal is to keep a military presence in the country not for as long as needed, but as long as possible, especially if they aren't going to win anytime soon. The average American doesn't care about the war anymore, they just won't tolerate an escalation, especially involving way more ground troops. Afghanistan was barely mentioned, if at all in their last presidential election.

And what I was saying earlier is that you've misread the response to the new Washington administration's posturing. Pakistanis haven't responded with fear about losing US as an ally, especially in those in the army and the more clued-up civilian leadership. I'm going to construct a certain image for you, that I beg you carefully construct conceptually so that you understand the real situation. There are two different theatres of US-Pak relations especially with regards to Afghanistan. The public theatre involves all the spiel about Major non-NATO ally status, winning the war, stability, taking on cross-border terrorism, some of which is legitimate. Publicly, the US asks Pakistan to 'do more' of somethings it finds to be productive, 'do less' of all the mild accusations of playing a double game. Publicly, Pakistan and its politicians and generals, including former dictator Musharraf, would play a balancing act of never publicly contradicting the Americans, while never creating anger over collaboration with the Americans in front of the public, which would cause internal opposition and outrage. Behind the scenes, whether it's drone strikes other aforementioned ties or supply routes, collaboration is common and completely necessary. So behind the scenes, Pak generals have really great, old and personal ties with those in the US who run the show in Afghanistan. Behind the scenes, nothing has changed, the US won't get anything more out of Pakistan, and yet it still needs Pakistan to be able to survive Afghanistan and to run its operations there optimally. What has changed is that we've got a new administration, and every new president and their staff like to talk tough on Pakistan, Trump and his allies are more brash and probably a little bigoted too. What was maybe slightly different this time is to the extent Trump went, and even more surprising is how vocally and openly Pakistan changed its own public position in defiance, I haven't seen that happen too often. Otherwise, behind the scenes nothing has changed at all.

 

[Sharpshooter12]

A welcoming news indeed. But I have to ask what kind of support are they planning to provide?

Guerrilla warfare training perhaps, but that is something we provided them with, so we got that covered.

Some nut-heads to blow themselves up during our fight against Americans? Well with Maulana Sami ul Haq and team we made sure that we have a constant supply of fresh from oven nut-heads of our own, so thank you very much.

Talis and their supporters needs to understand that Pakistan is a functioning, thriving society with large urban centers that are bustling with life. We don't want to see them reduced to rubble and then use that rubble to ambush a few Americans. We are not Afghanistan, we don't live for war, our civilians want to live a normal life. We have a modern armed forces equipped with nukes that will make sure that either we survive as an independent state or cease to exist altogether while giving our enemies and this world a nuclear holocaust to remember us for centuries.

Seriously which team is this Sami Ul Haq playing on, ours or Americans. Such statements will only hurt Pakistan's efforts of distancing itself from such organizations.

 

[TMA]

We don't need their help. We're powerful enough to defend ourselves

Moral support is enough.

 

[Sharpshooter12]

In the world of Machiavellian geo-politics you end up with some strange "friends". Some of the muppets here don't understand that Taliban are the only card Pakistan has in Afghanistan. Give them up, well then you might as well give Afghanistan on a platter to India.

That is exactly the problem. Why on earth have we not worked for more cards in the last 17 years. States like Uzbekistan has its share of influence in Afghan politics. Iran plays its Dari-Persian card quite well and hence has a lot of influence in both politics and media, which BTW they use against us. India did well to generate good-will with Afghan people by projecting soft-power. What have we done, except holding on to that one card that we had all along.

Whatever Musharaf did back in 2001, he did made a terrible mis-calculation about the resolve of US and its allies. It was thought that US is angry and wants to punish someone, they won't stay for long, Iraqi mis-adventure helped to strengthen that frame of mid. But after 17 years they are still there. Kabul regime is not going to fall anytime soon.

And here we are, whether rightly or wrongly, the only state majority of Afghans consider as hostile. We are the boogie-man Kabul is using to unite a fractured nation, we are scape-goat US wants to blame for their failures and a state that even our closest allies are starting to distrust.

We never gave the Kabul regime a chance, we always thought of them as a temporary puppet that is bound to fall. So we never invested in them.

We had so many things going in our favor. Our second largest ethnic group is their largest. They relied on us for trade, they relied on our hospitals, our universities. But every time we closed those borders, it pushed Afghans further into Indo-Iranian camp. In the meantime, both India and Iran tried facilitating Kabul's trade, Afghans are flying to India for medical facilities, their students are welcomed in Indian universities.

It is time to realize that Kabul is not going to fall any time soon. They are here to stay. Taliban can control the countryside, but major urban centers will be controlled by regime. And if a president like Trump can not pull out those forces, no future POTUS will. They will not let Kabul be Saigon. And even if only the US air support remains in Afghanistan, ANA will not let Taliban capture and hold a major city.

Now we have to act accordingly.

Nobody understands Afghans better than us. Through decades of work on the ground, our intelligence agencies know exactly what grievances each clan in each district has, what are their tribal feuds, no other agency or country can manipulate Afghan politics like we do. But we never really used this as our main approach. We did not give their political system much significance.

But others did, so the mood in their politics is such that even a man like Hikmatyar has to speak against Pakistan to stay relevant.

We have to act now, we have to create a new political class in that country that will look after our interests. Yes we are late, but as I said we will be far better at it than RAW or any other agency for that mater. In a span of 4-5 years we will be able to get a class that will be there to counter Indian influence in Afghanistan. Who knows we might yet make an ally out of Afghanistan in a couple of decades.

As the Machiavellian Prince of our land once said, Democracy is the best revenge.

 

[Imran Khan]

god bless pakistan now