Afghan, Pakistani Forces Clash

[That Guy]

Are you living in Pakistan?? Its habitual behavior of Pakistani security forces, you don't need any prove.

You realize that this is just an excuse for you to not have to present evidence that you clearly don't have, don't you?

Let's be totally honest, you're making things up. Ծ_Ծ

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

Reminds me of an accident few years back... when my father was commanding FC ... ANA troops came inside our border and fired a few shots... and the wing commander ordered the subedar on the respective post which was situated in the area to fire... and guess what... the guys killed 4 soldiers and injured alot more and tht too with a DSHK... they even left their bodies... and till dawn they werent even allowed to pick up those bodies... ANA is sub human ... once they killed a poor shephard kid grazing sheeps near the border.. another guy from the shephards village saw the episode and reported it to FC... In turn the ANA faced alot of shyt!

God protect our soldiers!

as we would say in Pashto -- Chatray de che kunay kay wee ma yey kullawawa


(if there is an umbrella wedged up your azzhole, don't open it)

i.e. if you are already in a deep shyt, dont make things harder for yourself

if you look at it on the broader scheme of things - every action by Afghans (be it the people or their 'military') which were aimed at harming Pakistan ended up harming them 100 times worse!

we can close down the Durrand Line and fly a squadron over their air space --- do a few sonic booms over Kabul - and there's absolutely NOTHING the Afghans could do about it

we help liberate them from soviets --- housed them, fed them, clothed them -- and these peasant-like roaches like these ANA soldiers resort to such badmashi behaviour

at any rate - 1 ANA soldier was killed, 2 wounded, 2 of ours were wounded - no deaths reported.


just wait till NATO leaves - then the real fun and games would take place

 

[That Guy]

This whole idea of Afghan Pashtuns is interesting - they used to be called Kabuli

Either way the shabby performance of the so called Pakistan Army what has allowed the Afghan to imagine that they can attack, as they have now done, numerous times across the border - This whole idea of the army that runs away is reinforced by images of vast numbers of Pakistani soldiers laying their weapons to the ground before a handful of Talib - the idea of surrender seems one that is popular among officers of the Pakistan army

Run away? Did the PA not fire back? If they did, then it's not running away.

Why are you ignoring facts? The post was partially destroyed but the soldiers are apparently still there.

 

[That Guy]

if you look at it on the broader scheme of things - every action by Afghans (be it the people or their 'military') which were aimed at harming Pakistan ended up harming them 100 times worse!

we can close down the Durrand Line and fly a squadron over their air space --- do a few sonic booms over Kabul - and there's absolutely NOTHING the Afghans could do about it

we help liberate them from soviets --- housed them, fed them, clothed them -- and these peasant-like roaches like these ANA soldiers resort to such badmashi behaviour

at any rate - 1 ANA soldier was killed, 2 wounded, 2 of ours were wounded - no deaths reported.


just wait till NATO leaves - then the real fun and games would take place

I think the only reason why the PA hasn't been aggressive against the ANA is because they don't want to drag the American forces into it.

I am of the opinion that the Afghans want to start a war with Pakistan before the foreign forces leave, so that they can drag them into a conflict with Pakistan and force them to fight the PA.

The PA has done the right thing here and has not over exaggerated the military response by sending in the PAF to do bombing runs, or even sent in helicopters, both of which would force the foreign forces to act against Pakistan. Yes, I know the Afghans said that there was a heli that they shot down, but the pictures they posted was of an Afghan heli, and there is no evidence that even that Afghan heli was destroyed during the conflict, as no credible independent news source has verified or even reported such an event taking place.

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

This whole idea of Afghan Pashtuns is interesting - they used to be called Kabuli

Either way the shabby performance of the so called Pakistan Army what has allowed the Afghan to imagine that they can attack, as they have now done, numerous times across the border - This whole idea of the army that runs away is reinforced by images of vast numbers of Pakistani soldiers laying their weapons to the ground before a handful of Talib - the idea of surrender seems one that is popular among officers of the Pakistan army

oh is that so well okay then -- they are where YOU should be apparently Mr. Tough One.

mano a mano against ANA? we dont even need to radio in aerial support of any kind. I've seen ANA guys in action -- we hosted delegation of infantry as well as demolitions/bomb disposal experts and these guys were busy stealing the extra soap, toothpaste and uniforms we provided them; they always begged for water after every half-assed 5k -- and the funniest part was, they fight so much amongst themselves

(i swear I'm not making that up)

if you have a problem with Pak Army then at least have the decency to shut up and quick spewwing out vitriolic garbage like this which I have seen from you time to time, unfortunately

 

[A1Kaid]

I wish pakistan makes daily such adventures it only makes us strong and united

Thank you pakistan!

Not if your all dead.

Just like we beheaded that Indian soldier PA should behead those Afghan soldiers involved. Send attack helicopters into the area, supporters by infantry and heavy machine guns and if need be the PAF what are those bastards doing? Too expensive to fly now?

 

[That Guy]

Afghanistan up to no good as always. they need to be taught a resounding lesson once.

an unrelated observation: the afghans violated our territory at a time when chinese have crossed border and camp in ladakh. both at a time when the LOC and international border between Pak-India are peaceful and quiet, no incidents reported at all. make of it what you will, but it's a very peculiar moment in history considering the subcontinent's past

I had the same thought, really is an odd time right now, isn't it?

oh is that so well okay then -- they are where YOU should be apparently Mr. Tough One.

mano a mano against ANA? we dont even need to radio in aerial support of any kind. I've seen ANA guys in action -- we hosted delegation of infantry as well as demolitions/bomb disposal experts and these guys were busy stealing the extra soap, toothpaste and uniforms we provided them; they always begged for water after every half-assed 5k -- and the funniest part was, they fight so much amongst themselves

(i swear I'm not making that up)

if you have a problem with Pak Army then at least have the decency to shut up and quick spewwing out vitriolic garbage like this which I have seen from you time to time, unfortunately

Can't really blame them for not being able to keep up with the PA, the ANA is poorly trained as they only get about 6-8 months training according to the BBC and most of that is learning how to march in a line, granted that's tough to do, but useless in combat...unless you're trying to give your enemy a clear line of shot, lol.

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

I think the only reason why the PA hasn't been aggressive against the ANA is because they don't want to drag the American forces into it.

I am of the opinion that the Afghans want to start a war with Pakistan before the foreign forces leave, so that they can drag them into a conflict with Pakistan and force them to fight the PA.

The PA has done the right thing here and has not over exaggerated the military response by sending in the PAF to do bombing runs, or even sent in helicopters, both of which would force the foreign forces to act against Pakistan. Yes, I know the Afghans said that there was a heli that they shot down, but the pictures they posted was of an Afghan heli, and there is no evidence that even that Afghan heli was destroyed during the conflict, as no credible independent news source has verified or even reported such an event taking place.

well if that's the case, theyre biting off more than they could chew because they should be focused on saving their own azzes first -- from their own fellow Afghans!

approx. 98-99% of the formal Afghan GDP comrpises of foreign aid; who pays the salaries for their 3 lakh strong army? They have no military industry, they cant even make their own bloody uniforms. How will they wage a war against Pakistan when we could turn their already crappy country into a sea of sand.

Yes PA has tried to exercise MAJOR restraint and rather than through empty words and threats -- just do what it's interested in doing (i.e. safeguarding borders, enforcing those borders through more manned checkposts, etc.).

But the patience will wear thin. And NATO of all entities knows not to be STUPID to get itself involved because they are interested more in getting the hell OUT in a dignified manner. Antagonizing Pakistan will certainly not be in their best interests, as they themselves admit.

I wish pakistan makes daily such adventures it only makes us strong and united

Thank you pakistan!

the pleasure is, and would continue to be ours

how united do you feel when Pakistan provides you with the wheat and cement which your fellow Afghans couldnt produce themselves?

Your very welcome indeed

Not if your all dead.

Just like we beheaded that Indian soldier PA should behead those Afghan soldiers involved. Send attack helicopters into the area, supporters by infantry and heavy machine guns and if need be the PAF what are those bastards doing? Too expensive to fly now?

PA doesnt need to get its hands dirty; seems the talebs will take care of them

 

[A1Kaid]

Pakistan can not afford any war right now.....TTP has exhausted and demoralized Pakistani soldiers.....When you would engage better equipped ANSF, you would give breathing space to TTP and you would observe more aggressiveness in them against Pakistan army......



Pakistan can not afford any war right now.....TTP has exhausted and demoralized Pakistani soldiers.....When you would engage better equipped ANSF, you would give breathing space to TTP and you would observe more aggressiveness in them against Pakistan army......

Won't cost PA much to decimate ANA, attacking lightly equipped outposts is nothing.

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

Pakistan can not afford any war right now.....TTP has exhausted and demoralized Pakistani soldiers.....When you would engage better equipped ANSF, you would give breathing space to TTP and you would observe more aggressiveness in them against Pakistan army......

have you ever served in the military (in any of the branches)

how do you know about their 'morale' did you ask them


It just so happens that they are ever more 'charged' than they've ever been before to find and kill the enemy wherever the rats and their supporters hide. Unlike the ANA - the PA is welcomed by most of the tribes and they themselves are fighting the TTP.

we've lost men and they died for Pakistan....the rats we kill every day died for whom?


it's been a costly insurgency no doubt, but we'll come off stronger and resilient as ever; the end-game is nearing and God-willing - all 'impediments' and 'irritants' would be neutralized (as well as their generous donors)


this is all talk - wait and see for yourself

 

[That Guy]

well if that's the case, theyre biting off more than they could chew because they should be focused on saving their own azzes first -- from their own fellow Afghans!

approx. 98-99% of the formal Afghan GDP comrpises of foreign aid; who pays the salaries for their 3 lakh strong army? They have no military industry, they cant even make their own bloody uniforms. How will they wage a war against Pakistan when we could turn their already crappy country into a sea of sand.

Yes PA has tried to exercise MAJOR restraint and rather than through empty words and threats -- just do what it's interested in doing (i.e. safeguarding borders, enforcing those borders through more manned checkposts, etc.).

But the patience will wear thin. And NATO of all entities knows not to be STUPID to get itself involved because they are interested more in getting the hell OUT in a dignified manner. Antagonizing Pakistan will certainly not be in their best interests, as they themselves admit.

Of course NATO doesn't want to start a war with Pakistan, they know that it would be suicide. It's the Afghans that want to start a war with Pakistan and force NATO forces into it.

 

[Marwat Khan Lodhi]

@Abu Zolfiqar
In my opinion Afghan governament was supposed to raise their voice against ISAF who have handed over these check posts within Afghan territory to Pakistan when they were leaving.

 

[Marwat Khan Lodhi]

Not if your all dead.

Just like we beheaded that Indian soldier PA should behead those Afghan soldiers involved. Send attack helicopters into the area, supporters by infantry and heavy machine guns and if need be the PAF what are those bastards doing? Too expensive to fly now?

Are you implying that PA are Butchers?. What will be the difference between PA and TTP if both behead their enemies.
You surely are a crazy one, perhaps you play too much violent video games in America.

 

[Marwat Khan Lodhi]

have you ever served in the military (in any of the branches)

how do you know about their 'morale' did you ask them


It just so happens that they are ever more 'charged' than they've ever been before to find and kill the enemy wherever the rats and their supporters hide. Unlike the ANA - the PA is welcomed by most of the tribes and they themselves are fighting the TTP.

we've lost men and they died for Pakistan....the rats we kill every day died for whom?


it's been a costly insurgency no doubt, but we'll come off stronger and resilient as ever; the end-game is nearing and God-willing - all 'impediments' and 'irritants' would be neutralized (as well as their generous donors)


this is all talk - wait and see for yourself

Faujis have families...childern and wife...none of them want to be died at the hands of taliban....it is career for them, they do the army job to earn for their families....Ask any fauji whether he wants to be stationed at lahore or waziristan.
And tribes do not invite/army, Army is a necessary evil to finish taliban....and Army doesnt seek permission from tribals to bomb and shell their villages....any tribal in FC, khasadar and levies would try his best that no harm is inflicted on any of his people. Same can not be said about fauji from jehalum or chakwal, who has come here to terminate bearded terrorists and its "supporters"

 

[A1Kaid]

Are you implying that PA are Butchers?. What will be the difference between PA and TTP if both behead their enemies.
You surely are a crazy one, perhaps you play too much violent video games in America.

Do you know Prophet Muhammad also ordered that some of his enemies be beheaded? Apparently not you ignorant fool. Although personally I am against the act, I didn't literally mean PA should go and deliberately behead Afghan soldiers, it's better to just fire on them and decimate them that way.