Afghan-Pakistan Relations After Rabbani Assassination

[darkinsky]

This guy is impossible.. Just a day ago his regime suspended talks with Pakistan and now he takes a U turn.

this is a nature of an afghani, you cant blame kerzai

yeh log din main do martaba kalma badalta hai, jaha moka mile waha ghus jata hai

zarurat perne per mulk bhi badal le ga

 

[Pakistanisage]

Will the real Mr. karzai, please stand up, no not the US sock puppet, the real Mr. karazai

I think we are missing the motivations behind such statements. Tell me if you agree with me. I think by making such statement that Taliban is a stooge of Pakistan so we will deal directly with Pakistan, he has hurled the biggest insult at Taliban. There is no greater Insult for a Pashtoon then to call him a slave or stooge of another Power.

By hurling this insult he is trying to get Taliban to Say, we are not under the Thumb of Pakistan and we will speak with you directly. He is actually challenging the Taliban GHAIRAT and EGO.

 

[r3alist]

I think we are missing the motivations behind such statements. Tell me if you agree with me. I think by making such statement that Taliban is a stooge of Pakistan so we will deal directly with Pakistan, he has hurled the biggest insult at Taliban. There is no greater Insult for a Pashtoon then to call him a slave or stooge of another Power.

By hurling this insult he is trying to get Taliban to Say, we are not under the Thumb of Pakistan and we will speak with you directly. He is actually challenging the Taliban GHAIRAT and EGO.

I like this response.

It reinforces the us narrative that Pakistan is the obstacle, and the barrier to peace, what we don't discuss is the flip side, that is how Afghanistan and the us are a barrier to peace in Pakistan.

 

[EjazR]

Musharraf has never said Pakistan supported the Taliban, or the Haqqani network. No high level official in Pakistan has ever said that. Pakistani officials have always said they want a regime that isn't hostile towards Pakistan. That is all that is required from Afghanistan, but they fail to fulfill even that.

http://www.defence.pk/forums/pakist...aqqani-terrorist-group-can-help-pakistan.html

National interest compulsion for backing Haqqani: Musharraf -  

 

[EjazR]

These are not serious or responsible statements from the Afghans -- Indians themselves say that the role of the US and UK embassies in bringing Rabbani back from vaction so he can meet his assassin is suspect - the Indian Premier in his official statement says that the best tribute to pay to Rabbani is to continue his peace and reconciliation mission.

Either the Indian premier is an idiot or ..... well, you decide. If the US backed Afghan govt do not now know whom to negotiate with, one has to wonder if they ever knew. And that's both sad and dangerous, after all can such a government be trusted to bring peace to Afghanistan?

muse, foreign powers messing around in South Asia will NEVER have the interests of the local countries at heart. Its only the local countries India, Pakistan, Afghanistan who will.

What is needed is NO interference from outside here and yes that includes no US interference as well, but also no interference between countries too.

Unfortunately, the Pakistani strategy of bringing in the US (in 1950s) and by extension inviting the USSR has given nothing but grief to all south Asians. Who knows when Afghanistan will see peace.

 

[53fd]

http://www.defence.pk/forums/pakist...aqqani-terrorist-group-can-help-pakistan.html

National interest compulsion for backing Haqqani: Musharraf - *

Again, you are quoting Indian sources who interpret things the way they want them.

This is what Musharraf said:

“Certainly if Afghanistan is being used by India to create an anti-Pakistan Afghanistan, we would like to prevent that.”

Musharraf (or any high ranking Pakistani official) has never said Pakistan supported the Taliban or the Haqqani network, he said Pakistan must do whatever it can to preserve its interests in Afghanistan so that Afghanistan is not used by others for anti-Pakistan activities.

 

[EjazR]

Pakhtun nationalism re: Durand line.

The Durran line issue is there before independance my friend. The Afghans never recognised it and India has no role to play in this issue. Even the TALIBAN refused to recognise the Durrand line, was that on India's behest as well?

Please learn from history. Afghanistan has always been hostile to Pakistan because it considered it and its rulers - the Muslim League a puppet of the British and later US govt. It was considered as a plant to further their interests in this region and in a way they were correct.

Do recall, that Afghanistan was the only country in the UN that voted AGAINST admitting it or recognizing Pakistan as a sovereign state while India recognized Pakistan from day 1.

Until this reality is understood and digested, you will not realize that most of the Afghan and Pakhtun hostility against Pakistan their is not Indian instigated but BECAUSE of Pakistani actions itself.

 

[EjazR]

he said Pakistan must do whatever it can to preserve its interests in Afghanistan so that Afghanistan is not used by others for anti-Pakistan activities.

Lets not play with words, he was pretty clear what he meant.

The best way to do THAT is to support kharji fanatics like the Haqqanis, Bravo!

Instead of working for the betterment of the Afghan people, the barganing chip is we will make your lives living hell if you don't give us what you want. In other words, we don't have carrots but we have a big stick to beat you up with.

 

[Developereo]

The Durran line issue is there before independance my friend. The Afghans never recognised it and India has no role to play in this issue. Even the TALIBAN refused to recognise the Durrand line, was that on India's behest as well?

Please learn from history. Afghanistan has always been hostile to Pakistan because it considered it and its rulers - the Muslim League a puppet of the British and later US govt. It was considered as a plant to further their interests in this region and in a way they were correct.

Do recall, that Afghanistan was the only country in the UN that voted AGAINST admitting it or recognizing Pakistan as a sovereign state while India recognized Pakistan from day 1.

Until this reality is understood and digested, you will not realize that most of the Afghan and Pakhtun hostility against Pakistan their is not Indian instigated but BECAUSE of Pakistani actions itself.

I totally understand that the Durand line issue is driven by Pakhtun nationalism. My point was that India stokes that nationalism.

 

[53fd]

Lets not play with words, he was pretty clear what he meant.

You're the one putting words in his mouth. He never said Pakistan supports (or has ever supported) the Taliban/Haqqanis, neither has any high ranking Pakistani official.

The best way to do THAT is to support kharji fanatics like the Haqqanis, Bravo!

The Haqqanis are not Pakistan's concern, they are Afghan citizens.

 

[zer_0]

but i ve heard that ISI has created HAQQANIS network

 

[Ahmad]

Afghanistan economy and food etc dependent on Pakistan (Not on India)
after 9/11 half of Afghanistani ref into Pakistan (Not India)
Afghanistan have all transport routes from Pakistan (Not from India)
WOT game between USA-Pakistan - Afghanistan (India not invited nor any business)

AND DISCUSSION WITH INDIAN FOR PIECE in Afghanistan ? LOLZZZZZZZZ Amazing!

i think you are overestimating yourself.

 

[darkinsky]

believe me , the secrect of our survival is if you and the others abondan us.

its easy to speak like that while sitting on asylum in whales!!

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i think you are overestimating yourself.

did he speak any wrong, i dont get what did he spoke wrong??

can you please point that out??

you bread comes from pakistan but you say you can survive without pakistan and take help from india??

 

[Ahmad]

can you please point that out??

you bread comes from pakistan but you say you can survive without pakistan and take help from india??

its easy to speak like that while sitting on asylum in whales

i think ye was overestimating, i dont think the ecomony is entirely dependant on you, we have got some domestic production and that include opium, we get some foreign aid, our food imports are mainly from russia, kazakizstan followed by iran, we have another alternative route of iran, the nato have their supplies from you and it doesnt bother us what they do with their supplies, but even that is changing slowly.

a small correction, i live in Wales.

 

[EjazR]

................. At Rabbani's funeral, most Afghans shouted 'death to the present regime'. ...................

See, I think you don't realise how shallow your analysis is. The were angry with Karzai BECAUSE he was being friendly or was percieved to be friendly with Pakistan and the Taliban.

Afghans mourn slain ex-president on World Peace Day | Reuters
Several thousand people rallied in Faizabad, the capital of Rabbani's native Badakhshan province, and threatened revenge if the government failed to tackle the insurgents.

The crowd chanted "death to Pakistan, death to ISI," referring to the powerful spy agency, the Directorate of Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI), which they blamed for Rabbani's killing.

Many Afghans accuse Islamabad and the ISI of decades of interference in Afghan politics. Pakistan bristles at such comments and Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Tehmina Janjua said Rabbani's death was a "huge loss for the process of reconciliation."

Another report from a UAE based paper

gulftoday.ae | Hichem Karoui: Tracing Rabbani
In Afghanistan itself, the murder of former president and head of the High Peace Council (HPC) Burhanuddin Rabbani on Sept.21, left an impression that the Taliban are still opposed to the kind of peace deal proposed by a government installed and protected by the United States.

It is noteworthy that the crowd that gathered at the death of Rabbani was chanting “death to Pakistan, death to ISI.” It is not a secret that many Afghans accuse Pakistan of interfering in their affairs.

However, the point where the two ends of the thread join each other is when Pakistanis and Afghans express deep resentment toward the US handling of their domestic politics. After all, for many decades, Washington was the main ally of ISI and the Afghan Mujahedeen. Washington may feel disappointed by this logic, but it is hardly a wrong point.

And even Pashtoons of emimnent families like Hazrat Sebghatullah Mujadeddi are publicly accusing the ISI.

Bakhtar News Agency - ?ISI Murderer Of Prof. Rabbani,? Mujadeddi


I know that you might say there is no proof of ISI involvement e.t.c, but the fact remains that majority of the Afghan population including the Pashtoons are now basically finger pointing Pakistan and ISI. (Not the people ofcourse)

In such a situation, it will be extremely hard to end up with a pro-pakistan Afghanistan, Taliban or no Taliban.