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Daily Times - Afghanistan insists on transit facility to India via Pakistan

* Issue has caused stalemate in concluding APTTA

By Sajid Chaudhry

ISLAMABAD: Afghanistan has again demanded allowing transit facility to India via Pakistani land route and this issue has caused a deadlock in concluding the Afghan-Pakistan Transit Trade Agreement (APTTA), a senior government official informed on Saturday.

Pakistan and Afghanistan are likely to enter the final round of negotiations for conclusion of much awaited Afghan-Pakistan Transit Trade Agreement (APTTA) during the visit of US Secretary of State Hilary Clinton to Kabul on July 20, official sources told.

The last round of negotiations on APTTA between Pakistan and Afghanistan held at Kabul recently failed due to the last moment denial from the Afghan side to accept Pakistan’s proposed measures for curbing cross border smuggling, official sources added.

Pakistan side firmly believes that until and unless Afghan side is ready to address the cross border smuggling issue, Pakistan would not be able to conclude the proposed APTTA, said the official.

Pakistan had proposed five measures for having an effective control over cross border smuggling including subjecting existing afghan imports with letter of credit, subjecting afghan imports with bank guarantee, compulsory licensing for afghan imports, placing quantitative restrictions on Afghan imports, maintaining increased sensitive list of items, and equalisation of customs tariff on items imported by afghan importers through transit facility via Pakistan to Afghanistan, official sources explained.

Afghan side has also not shown its willingness to accept the measures proposed by the Pakistani side for controlling the cross border smuggling due to the reasons. During the recently concluded negotiations on proposed APTTA, Afghan side was almost agreed to sign initial draft of the APTTA, however, in the next morning Afghan authorities refused to sign disclosed the official sources.

According to the Pakistan customs estimates, loss to the Pakistan’s economy due to the pilferage of Afghan transit trade goods in Pakistan and smuggling back to Pakistan goods imported under Afghan Transit Trade Agreement have been estimated at $5 billion annually. Similarly, smuggling of Pakistani goods to Afghanistan is causing Afghanistan a loss of around $1.5 billion. Pakistan has been striving to establish a fact before the Afghan side that cross border smuggling of goods is causing huge injury to both the economies and both the countries must agree to a mechanism for eliminating this menace once for all under the proposed APTTA.

Necessary steps must also be taken to prevent smuggling. APTTA is already a major source of smuggling into Pakistan. It causes huge revenue losses to the economy, hurting local businesses.

The National Assembly’s Standing Committee on Finance was told a few months ago that the APTTA accounts for 75 percent of an estimated $5 billion worth of smuggled goods entering Pakistan annually. Many of the items imported under APTTA, are not even meant for the Afghan market. For example, Afghans prefer to drink green tea and not its black variety, yet large quantities of black tea are imported for eventual smuggling into Pakistan. An FBR official told the Standing Committee that following an increase in the valuation of stainless steel in the recent past, steel imports under the APTTA doubled during the July-December period in the current fiscal year, as compared with the previous year.

The imports also include a large variety of electronic equipment, cosmetics and other items that are turned back from the border to be sold in Pakistani markets, at the cost of the local businesses. Islamabad has been trying to deal with these problems by imposing a ban on the import of certain items, and through a common customs duty proposal (albeit without success by far). The Quetta and Chaman business people have given a timely warning of similar issues cropping up, if and when the Wagah-Khyber trade route opens up; the government must also remain prepared to address them in a timely fashion.
 
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The opportunities for collaboration and trade between India and Afghanistan is moving on at a feverish pace.
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And the answer to that should be a big no, for various reasons;
1- being that the indians dont want to deal with us on equal grounds, and want/ or do try to dictate terms with us as if we are their colony. There are still many un answered questions about the level of indian involvement which has to be cleared. Indian gov should also come clean and let go of their policy of trying to get a setup in Afghanistan from where they can encircle Pakistan. The support of any kind of terrorism from the indian side to harm and destabilize Pakistan should end from Afghanistan and or india proper. And above all the war of words that india has declared on Pakistan, on the international arena should be mellowed down, if you want us to work with you the dealings should be on the basis of equality and not you trying to dictate terms taking us as an inferior.
2ndly to Mr. Karzai please come to the level where you can use the toilet facilities with out the permission of your american guards, and then we will talk.


And definitely the afghan gov will not accept the control on smuggling clause, heck if they do the brother of Mr. Karzai will be out of work aint it.



Having said the above, I will not be a tad bit surprised that the GOP might take the proposal and give indians and Afghanis the trade route. As it is zardari we are talking about, and giving the right price he will sell himself...............................
 
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No need, they can import & export stuff through the normal way currently being employed, that is through the sea. Land route should not be provided until and unless the concerns from Pakistani side are satisfied, we are already incurring billions of rupees in losses due to the Afghan smuggling problem, giving them such an easy access route will multiply the smuggling issue and add another few billions in losses to our economy.
 
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If Pakistan say no for that so we can see how they again talk about Afghanistan progress


I really want that Pakistan say no for that because after that their true face come in front of every one .
 
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And the answer to that should be a big no, for various reasons;
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There are still many un answered questions about the level of indian involvement which has to be cleared. Indian gov should also come clean and let go of their policy of trying to get a setup in Afghanistan from where they can encircle Pakistan.


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I was trying to find something in your post that was on topic. Try and discuss on the trade transit and not about the inferiority complex of your country or Karzai's inclination.

India has not stopped Bangladesh from having access to Nepal.
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I was trying to find something in your post that was on topic. Try and discuss on the trade transit and not about the inferiority complex of your country or Karzai's inclination.

India has not stopped Bangladesh from having access to Nepal.
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My post was as on topic as your was off topic, so try to read it again and understand it in the context of the relations of the countries. Every thing that happens between india and Pakistan or any new decisions that had to be made, every thing is looked at and is connected to each other. But given your's and DODo's indian mentality its beyond you guys to understand. So carry on with the :blah::blah:
 
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No need, they can import & export stuff through the normal way currently being employed, that is through the sea. Land route should not be provided until and unless the concerns from Pakistani side are satisfied, we are already incurring billions of rupees in losses due to the Afghan smuggling problem, giving them such an easy access route will multiply the smuggling issue and add another few billions in losses to our economy.

Losses due to smuggling should be handled by setting up a better system and denial is not really an answer to the problem. Pakistan wants land access to Bangladesh and should India employ the same school of thought, it will sound rather naive.
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And the answer to that should be a big no, for various reasons;
1- being that the indians dont want to deal with us on equal grounds, and want/ or do try to dictate terms with us as if we are their colony. There are still many un answered questions about the level of indian involvement which has to be cleared. Indian gov should also come clean and let go of their policy of trying to get a setup in Afghanistan from where they can encircle Pakistan. The support of any kind of terrorism from the indian side to harm and destabilize Pakistan should end from Afghanistan and or india proper. And above all the war of words that india has declared on Pakistan, on the international arena should be mellowed down, if you want us to work with you the dealings should be on the basis of equality and not you trying to dictate terms taking us as an inferior.
2ndly to Mr. Karzai please come to the level where you can use the toilet facilities with out the permission of your american guards, and then we will talk.


And definitely the afghan gov will not accept the control on smuggling clause, heck if they do the brother of Mr. Karzai will be out of work aint it.



Having said the above, I will not be a tad bit surprised that the GOP might take the proposal and give indians and Afghanis the trade route. As it is zardari we are talking about, and giving the right price he will sell himself...............................

Infact I should say the reality is the other way around ..India already granted MFN status to Pakistan almost a decade or so back and Pakistan is still sitting on it from it's side... now tell me who is not dealing with whom on equal grounds? and more over with this route Pakistan will also be benefited a lot in the form of transaction fee and employment for the truckers and other business enroute..just like it is gaining from the NATO supply lines...
..and the rest of ur point 1.. the feeling is mutual ..if u ask an Indian he would say the exact things about Pakistan too.. :cheers:
 
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My post was as on topic as your was off topic, so try to read it again and understand it in the context of the relations of the countries. Every thing that happens between india and Pakistan or any new decisions that had to be made, every thing is looked at and is connected to each other. But given your's and DODo's indian mentality its beyond you guys to understand. So carry on with the :blah::blah:

Yes, talking about Karzai's inclination to America was on topic.
Talking about what a cheap guy your President has been was on topic.
The hypothetical terror by India from Afghanistan with no proof presented to any international body is also on topic.

And my post of how India is allowing Bangladesh access to Nepal is off topic.

Bravo!
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true that! if India cant trust us with a gas pipeline security, how can we guarantee safety of their transit?????

problem is not trust,real thing is india have already signed nuclear deal with u.s at the cost of not joining this pipelene.
 
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true that! if India cant trust us with a gas pipeline security, how can we guarantee safety of their transit?????

Excellent analogy. BTW, when did India say it can't trust Pak on Iran Pipeline?

How can your country guarantee the safety of anybody forget trade route? Your Prime minister once said that Mumbai like incidents happen so often in Pakistan that they are not in a position to give any guarantees.
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problem is not trust,real thing is india have already signed nuclear deal with u.s at the cost of not joining this pipelene.

Wrong. If you want to make such claims then please provide a link or an article from a credible source.
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Losses due to smuggling should be handled by setting up a better system and denial is not really an answer to the problem. Pakistan wants land access to Bangladesh and should India employ the same school of thought, it will sound rather naive.
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Check the original article, it does talks about the measures Pakistan asked Afghanistan to put in for controlling such stuff, which Afghanistan has not agreed to nor even talked about.

So its not about Pakistani saying no, its Afghanistan which is not interested and is just asking for a route, which we are not agreeing with as it will harm us, which we are already getting harmed.

Afghanistan is a lawless area compared to Bangladesh, so the example you gave does not fits in this scenario, try to find few articles about the Pak-Afghan smuggling thing and know what is the reality on the ground.
 
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