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Pakistan knows the importance therefore doesn't allow trucks from India.

I hope that trucks from Afghanistan will go thorugh a tight check up and scrutny while entering Pakistan.

Well you are right-security..!!!

One Question- Why in these tough times when insurgencies are up and out then these free movements are being allowed... Can`t wait for sometime and let insurgencies settle.../???
 
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because we can't let the insurgency affect trade ties. Trucking industry is a huge industry in this region

Afghanistan is a land-locked country, they rely on our ports
 
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because we can't let the insurgency affect trade ties. Trucking industry is a huge industry in this region

Afghanistan is a land-locked country, they rely on our ports

I am not sure about the status of road connecting Iranian ports with AF..but once they are complete this statement might not be true anymore...in that case do you think the balance between AF needing your ports vs you getting access to central Asia will shift in their side a bit???

Anyways i must say a smart move by Pakistan to link future of trade to India via AF with composite dialogue...Though in my presonal opinion i am not sure if trade with AF via Pak will flourish as it always have clouds of things going wrong and sanctions on the route.... To me india's best bet is trade route via Iran....i bit costly but far more secure...what other members think??
 
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ISLAMABAD: Pakistan and Afghanistan have agreed to allow trucks to move freely in each other’s territory.

According to the accord, Afghan trucks would now be able to operate up to the Karachi port, while Pakistani trucks could move across Afghanistan towards Central Asia.

This was decided at the fourth round of talks on the Afghan-Pakistan Transit Trade Agreement, which started here on Saturday.

However, Pakistan did not agree to allow Indian goods to transit through its territory into Afghanistan. A Pakistani official said the issue could only be discussed at the composite dialogue with India.


An Afghan official said the issue was a ‘minor irritant’ and it would not derail the talks. A commerce ministry official said changes were likely to be made in the 1965 Transit Trade Agreement.

The three major pending issues are transit facility, trucking facility and (prevention of) smuggling, he said, adding that relevant bodies would finalise their reports by the end of the talks on Dec 21.
Tags: transit,pakistan afghanistan,trucks movement,Afghan-Pakistan Transit Trade Agreement
DAWN.COM | Front Page | Accord on free truck movement with Afghanistan
 
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I am not sure about the status of road connecting Iranian ports with AF..but once they are complete this statement might not be true anymore...in that case do you think the balance between AF needing your ports vs you getting access to central Asia will shift in their side a bit???

Anyways i must say a smart move by Pakistan to link future of trade to India via AF with composite dialogue...Though in my presonal opinion i am not sure if trade with AF via Pak will flourish as it always have clouds of things going wrong and sanctions on the route.... To me india's best bet is trade route via Iran....i bit costly but far more secure...what other members think??
will you explain how will you trade via Iran? i have asked this question couple of times before but none of them were satisfactory
 
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will you explain how will you trade via Iran? i have asked this question couple of times before but none of them were satisfactory

I am not sure if you have gone through this entire thread...However my earlier posts (#8,9,11,14) kind of touch on this...Please let me know why you think those don't answer your questions and why you think that trade via iran is not possible??

P.S : I hope you will keep our usual Indo-Pak bias away and would like to indulge in meaningful discussion...
 
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its not in our interests to allow indians to use our highways....if we have the chance to eliminate some competition, then we should

it's also an issue of national security.

I find it ironic that they back out of the I-P-(i) pipeline deal but then they try to get us to allow their trucks to access Afghanistan/C Asia via our roads network. A bit hypocritical if you ask me.

let them use the (more expensive) Iran route; I wouldnt want such permission to be given to use our territory
 
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its not in our interests to allow indians to use our highways....if we have the chance to eliminate some competition, then we should

it's also an issue of national security.

I find it ironic that they back out of the I-P-(i) pipeline deal but then they try to get us to allow their trucks to access Afghanistan/C Asia via our roads network. A bit hypocritical if you ask me.

let them use the (more expensive) Iran route; I wouldnt want such permission to be given to use our territory
twice expensive in winter :coffee:
 
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its not in our interests to allow indians to use our highways....if we have the chance to eliminate some competition, then we should

I disagree with you...The best way of eliminating is to provide better products...this will put Indian and Pakistani markets in direct competition which is going to eventually help rather than short term goals of monopoly in AF market....I had some good discussion with AM on first page regarding the same....

it's also an issue of national security.
Well not really...India and China have trade worth $53 billion dollars which is increasing like anything....I am sure we have enough problems with them(though not as grave as with Pak) and i am positive that security issue can easily be addressed(thorough checking etc etc)

I find it ironic that they back out of the I-P-(i) pipeline deal but then they try to get us to allow their trucks to access Afghanistan/C Asia via our roads network. A bit hypocritical if you ask me.

This is really strange...especially the bolded part...How can you compare two??? Any disruption of pipeline in Pakistan will straightway impact India..now in this trade route how do you think India can impact you??

As far as pipeline is concerned one of our major issue is that we want the delivery at Indian border...where as Iran wants the pakistan border as delivery point...If the delivery point is Indian border than any disruption in Pakistan side would mean direct loss to Iran..Doesn't it sound logical to you from Indian POV???

let them use the (more expensive) Iran route; I wouldnt want such permission to be given to use our territory
 
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Afghanistan is by no means innocent in placing restrictions on Pakistan's trade with the CAR's, so hopefully the linking of open transit for Pakistan to the CAR's to Afghan transit through Pakistan will help resolve some of the issues faced by Pakistani traders mentioned in this article:

Exporters facing undue hurdles in Afghanistan​

By Sajid Chaudhry

ISLAMABAD: Pakistani exporters, exporting goods to Central Asian Republics via Afghan land route, are facing money extortion by Afghan warlords whereas the Ministry of Commerce has been accused of not taking up this burning issue with the Afghan government.

A report of the Federal Board of Revenue (FBR), which was submitted to the National Assembly Standing Committee on Commerce on Thursday revealed that Afghan warlords and government functionaries are extorting up to $400 per truck from Pakistani exporters on goods in transit to Central Asian Republics. Moreover the Afghan government charges $2000 to $3000 per export contract signed by Pakistani exporters.

FBR report further revealed that Pakistan is facilitating Afghan transit trade without any taxes or duties but there are a lot of requirements imposed by the Afghan authorities for transit of goods from Pakistan to Central Asian Republics, which are restricting exports. The landlocked CARs are potential markets for Pakistani goods including citrus fruits, surgical items, sports goods, leather jackets, garments, pharmaceutical items, matches, juices, edible oil, sugar and cement. Pakistani traders have to pay $2000-3000 per contract and it takes more than 15 days to complete cumbersome formalities. Similarly, the Afghan government charges $300 from Pakistani traders per truck on transit consignments through for CARs countries. Further, the exports of Pakistan rice are being charged at Afghani 90,000 per truck as octroi. Moreover, duty and taxes to the extent of 10 percent are to be deposited with Afghan customs at the time of entry of Pakistan transit goods into Afghanistan. These securities are supposed to be released after deducting 20 percent of the deposited amount and on presentation of cross border certificate to CARs. This practice is very hectic and takes too much time for refund of the duty and taxes paid. Therefore, it should be ensured that Pakistani goods in transit to CARs face no difficulties and these arrangements may be made integral part of the transit trade agreement.

The report further added that Pakistani export oriented industries are making hectic efforts to enhance exports of CARs, however, afghan government functionaries and Afghan warlords make exorbitant demands at different check posts and toll plazas. It has been estimated that a total amount of $400 per truck at different locations is extracted from them officially and un-officially. This fact has been brought in to the notice of the of the Ministry of Commerce, however, the ministry has never taken up this issue with Afghanistan at any level. Whereas, the Afghan side has taken up the issue of using Afghan trucks to take their fresh fruits directly to India in Afghan trucks on the plea of “Bumper Crop”, which is in contradiction to the existing ATTA. Reference is made to the latest letter of Afghan Minister of Commerce to his Pakistani counterpart, which the board has disagreed to entertain. The board proposes that fair representation should be allowed to the private sector in the forthcoming negotiations.

FBR feels that any facility asked by the Afghanistan side should be reciprocated with at least a similar facility. Facility of Gwadar Port and Ghulam Khan Customs Station as a route has been offered without getting any quality offer from the other side. In regards to the offerfor getting access to Tajikistan, Uzbekistan and Turkmenistan, the board is of the opinion that these countries are very thinly populated and their markets are located at the far end of these countries making the distance as of thousands of kilometers from Pakistani business centers. Hence they are not economically viable due to long distances. As far as the energy question is concerned, Iranian market is much closure and economically viable and Pakistan has finalised the gas supply scheme from Iran.

Under the existing arrangement in the Afghan TTA 1965, Afghan transport is not allowed beyond Peshawar. The reason is perhaps to provide our domestic rail and road transport with an opportunity to serve and earn in the business (Pakistan government charges no fee from Afghan business for using its infrastructure). The other reason could be the difference of right hand driven vehicles and left hand road traffic system in Pakistan and vise-versa in Afghanistan causing traffic hazards and accidents. The board is of the view that the existing system works smoothly and should not be disturbed by allowing Afghan left hand driven trucks on our roads and highways. It has been reported that under the new draft Afghan trucks are not only being allowed but national treatment is also being given to the Afghan drivers to establish their right to ply on our roads. This is undesirable as the country in general and NWFP in particular has suffered a lot during the last three decades when the Afghan refugees have taken place the transport business using our infrastructure and have caused massive deforestation besides having been involved in anti tourism activities. Board would, therefore, opposes allowing Afghan trucks plying on our roads.

Daily Times - Leading News Resource of Pakistan
 
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Meanwhile, India seems to have found a temporary solution to Pakistan’s denial of its goods traveling overland to Afghanistan, with Air India slashing the price for Afghan fresh produce on its Kabul-Delhi flights.

India’s Ambassador to Afghanistan Jayant Prasad confirmed that since November, Air India was charging only $.20 cents per tonne for Afghan fresh produce, whereas the cost per tonne, overland, was working out to be $.30 cents per tonne (one truck carried an average of 5 tonnes).

So the cost of transportation is being subsidized by the GoI for the sake of facilitating the transit of Afghan goods.

Going by the latest word on the APTTA negotiations, Pakistan appears to be including airports as 'transit points', so that loophole might be closed as well, as it should.
 
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its not in our interests to allow indians to use our highways....if we have the chance to eliminate some competition, then we should

it's also an issue of national security.

I find it ironic that they back out of the I-P-(i) pipeline deal but then they try to get us to allow their trucks to access Afghanistan/C Asia via our roads network. A bit hypocritical if you ask me.

let them use the (more expensive) Iran route; I wouldnt want such permission to be given to use our territory

This is one huge leverage Pakistan has over India. The Indians, although not openly willing to admit, are yearning to get their hands on Pakistani trade route to CAS.
 
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This is one huge leverage Pakistan has over India. The Indians, although not openly willing to admit, are yearning to get their hands on Pakistani trade route to CAS.

I am sorry who is not admitting that??? It will be foolish to even think that Indians are not yearning to get their hands on Pakistani trade route to CAS.....However we very well know about our relations with Pakistan and know that this is not a possibility in near future....That reality check gave way to a separate trade route via Iran...


This is one huge leverage Pakistan has over India.

Don't you think this is a bit over exaggeration??? Huge leverage??? by what means my friend???
 
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^^ Nice one. We got a confirmation.


I am surprised that you needed a confirmation for that...Anyone who know even basics of economics knows that trade route(via road through Pakistan) is the cheapest available route for Indian goods to reach AF markets and Central Asia.. No one can deny that..Period...

However one has to do a reality check and look for other means...India so far has done a great job in that regard...What do you think?? Also you did not answer my question on BIG LEVERAGE
 
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