Adversary: That grin on BS Dhanoa's face when he talk about Rafale

[Irfan Baloch]

Another recent interview of BS Dhanoa.

The grin on his face when he talks about Rafale indicates that either he is unaware of the countermeasures that PAF would take or he is super confident about the capabilities of Rafale.

Block-III with PL-15 or Vipers with AIM-120D badly needed to give a shut-up call to this guy.

his grin is very well deserved and valid
Rafale comes with its own accessories along with its entourage.

 

[SQ8]

Comms in Military domain are always secure - that's the first criteria for selecting equipment. Link-16 is one such example for communication/Data transfer in the air. On ground, Military Radios, even Police/ambulance/Fire-B Radios are secure. The frequencies used by Military and Civil forces are known all over the world, and even if Channels are known, and somebody tunes into that channel, nothing will be heard. Anything send over the air (HF/UHF/VHF and other bands etc) is now out of transmitter's control and anybody can intercept that using a receiver - unless its encrypted. Militaries all around the world pay millions of $$$ for getting encryption and security features installed in their comm equipment. In normal lives as ordinary citizens, Security features like secure communication in apps as well as incognito windows in internet explorers are also available for everyone.


So firstly, its hard to imagine that Indian Military is operating Aircraft without secure/encrypted radios.

Secondly, if PAF has mentioned that Indian comm convo has been intercepted after eaves dropped, then this brings in the factor of ability to break through encrypted security features of Radios installed in IAF aircrafts, but that is what Jamming is supposed to do. What else would one expect when AWACS, EW aircraft and F-16 are flying in the air ?

Which radios are used by IAF aircrafts ? which Data Links ? Russian or Israeli ? Actually, Russian Vs Israeli communication/Data Link systems opens a whole new debate.
Where was IAF AWACS? Where were IAF EW aicrafts?

Rafale uses Link-16, the security protocols for Link-16 are confidential and not publicly provided. It also has DRFM, which can store incoming signals and then processes them to be re-transmitted. F-16 has these features already. Why has Rafale become so important for IAF this year- one wonders. Although, yes Communication radios can be different but Data Link is necessary.

Thirdly, the Feb 2019 incident shows that Pakistan Military's SIGINT Capability had been in use before this incident occurred. I am not much aware of PAF exercises, inside Pakistan or around the globe, members like windjammer keep a tab on that. Somehow it seems that PAF had been practicing EW capabilities in its exercises. The ability with which PAF conducted this operation using EW for interception and jamming shows that this scenario has been practiced thoroughly in exercises.

I know that PA's eaves dropping capability has been exponentially increased after Ops in FATA region. Such capabilities were put into practice as early as 2004-5, when communication was being intercepted from enemy in Wana, Waziristsan and from Afghan side. Sat Phones of Thuraya were in use of enemy. Communication issues n caves forced the enemy to leave the cover and expose themselves on peaks of hills and mountains. These same eaves dropping techniques were then put into practice on LOC. Weaknesses in Radio Comm showed PA itself how much secure comm is necessary and Harris Radios were inducted. There were other different kinds of Radios too that were inducted.

Fourthly, Jamming produces noise signals, which are basically unwanted signals, so enemy gets to know that communication is getting jammed. Eaves dropping and SIGINT are different. There might not be any interception in Eaves dropping so enemy wouldn't know but there can be interception in SIGINT, since security features need to be cracked, hacked, decrypted or by-passed, therefore any such action can cause detection. SIGINT is itself a broad term and has many types.

If the event maintained itself at eaves dropping stage, then PAF could have kept it secret, if it went further ahead where interference was necessary, then IAF would have known. Knowledge of being jammed is obvious.

What the Indians experienced is why we locally modified some of our new comm systems. Not for the fear of Indians but because reportedly some of our allies are able to snoop in on us; so we prepared to prevent them from snooping. I’d say that we tried to set a high standard of EW countermeasures but whether we succeeded or not is a different question.

 

[Windjammer]

his grin is very well deserved and valid
Rafale comes with its own accessories along with its entourage.

No doubt it's a potent weapon system, however I'm sure PAF has also done it's homework and will deal with it when it arrives, at the moment it's been delayed by another 8 Months with first Rafales now schedule to arrive May next year.

 

[ziaulislam]

PAF talks with for Eurofighter collapsed in 2018 due to Lack of possibility to add meteor in the deal. MBDA simply wouldn't commit to the PAF Typhoon purchase nor would the host EU Country pitching us the Fighter.

Without meteor typhoons are useless
Right call if this is true

But i wonder why pakistan couldnt leverage UK and italy

 

[Trango Towers]

Another recent interview of BS Dhanoa.

The grin on his face when he talks about Rafale indicates that either he is unaware of the countermeasures that PAF would take or he is super confident about the capabilities of Rafale.

Block-III with PL-15 or Vipers with AIM-120D badly needed to give a shut-up call to this guy.

He is happy but feb 27 he hid like a snake

 

[Signalian]

Without meteor typhoons are useless
Right call if this is true

But i wonder why pakistan couldnt leverage UK and italy

Can you please not give statements like that ?

For 20 years, since 1999, we have been hearing how IAF Mig-29s locked on to PAF F-16s and the logic given was that F-16s were not BVR warfare capable. How hard is it for somebody to understand that SU30 with R-27 and R-77 couldn't lock on to F-16 or JF-17 or 3rd generation Mirage III and Mirage V, then how can one believe the story of Mig-29s locking on to F-16s in 1999.

F-16's without AIM-120C5 were never useless, they still downed enemy aircrafts, downed UAV, conducted strike sorties and patrolled Pakistan's Air space, PAF got the AMRAAMs in the end, right ? EFT can also fire AIM-120C5 as BVRAAM, apart from other many tasks that it can do just like F-16. PAF will get Meteor eventually.

 

[Falcon26]

Wrong.
The INCOM radios that were present in most Indian jets actually lacked an encyrption mode. Although the BEL brochure mention that they have encryption & secure mode but in reality both of them never worked as radios used to malfunction in these modes. So IAF never used these modes.

But now things have changed, IAF jets have been fitted with latest Israeli SDR (a variant of the same is on Israel's F-35I).

classic Indian excuses. A force 10x bigger in resources and size always scrambling for excuses and painting itself as the weaker force. Must be depressing an IAF fan lol

 

[gangsta_rap]

PAF will get Meteor eventually.

This must mean something!!!

 

[Mighty Lion]

classic Indian excuses. A force 10x bigger in resources and size always scrambling for excuses and painting itself as the weaker force. Must be depressing an IAF fan lol

No deariAF fans are pretty happy since Despite being outnumbered on Feb 27 by PAF 4th gen jets by 6:1 ratio, (24 JFT & F16 vs 4 Su-30 & M2K) Only IAF loss was an old MiG-21

 

[Ultima Thule]

No deariAF fans are pretty happy since Despite being outnumbered on Feb 27 by PAF 4th gen jets by 6:1 ratio, (24 JFT & F16 vs 4 Su-30 & M2K) Only IAF loss was an old MiG-21

just in Indian version, as pe DGISPR we sent only 12 jets for strike (6 JF-17, 6 Mirages) and our all F-16 doing CAP (combat air petrol) well inside in Pakistani airspace @silent_poison

 

[rockstarIN]

What the Indians experienced is why we locally modified some of our new comm systems. Not for the fear of Indians but because reportedly some of our allies are able to snoop in on us; so we prepared to prevent them from snooping. I’d say that we tried to set a high standard of EW countermeasures but whether we succeeded or not is a different question.

Well, some sources detailed in Indian forums that We did get your RTs.

 

[Falcon26]

No deariAF fans are pretty happy since Despite being outnumbered on Feb 27 by PAF 4th gen jets by 6:1 ratio, (24 JFT & F16 vs 4 Su-30 & M2K) Only IAF loss was an old MiG-21

outnumbered lol

so the SU-30 and friendly fire destroyed helicopter belonged to the unicorns?

 

[Shane]

The grin on his face when he talks about Rafale

He not only grins in interviews but also has done an item song in celebration of Rafale induction...Rafael Aayo, Rafael Chaayo...

 

[TsAr]

No deariAF fans are pretty happy since Despite being outnumbered on Feb 27 by PAF 4th gen jets by 6:1 ratio, (24 JFT & F16 vs 4 Su-30 & M2K) Only IAF loss was an old MiG-21

Was it PAF fault that IAF could not read the situation or was IAF expecting PAF give them an advance warning that they are coming with this number of fighter planes....If IAF is happy that they lost the battle to a numerically inferior adversary and also shot their own heli then you can well imagine the state of IAF....better to burn all your Su's and Mig's....

 

[khanmubashir]

That grin may not essentially be due to perceived extraordinary potential of Rafale, but owing to the bribes received by this Sardar, on the purchase.

or perhaps of relief of getting retired so Indian arse kicking in future would no longer be his problem