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You could not be more wrong about this, if the average Soviet soldier was a coward as you state, we would be speaking German right now. The Soviets fought with exceptional bravery and valour despite the heavily tilted odds against them in the beginning. They fought 'Battles of Annihilation' against the Germans, and in the end their determination proved superior to that of the Germans which brought the eventual downfall of Nazi Germany. The thinking among the average Soviet soldier was simple, they would fight till the last man for the defence of the 'Motherland' or die trying.
Hitler despised anyone who was not an "Aryan" German!
Had it not been for his humanitarian crimes, racism, bigotry and emotional decisions, he could have turned the course of history and today we would all be speaking German rather than English!
The same way as Churchill despised anyone who was not an English, in fact he is famously quoted as having said: Churchill told the secretary of state for India, Leo Amery, that the Indians were “the beastliest people in the world, next to the Germans,”
And in the same manner, Roosevelt too, was nothing short of a "racist": After the 1936 Berlin Olympics, Roosevelt invited to the White House all of the White American athletes who participated in the Olympics, but he left out Jesse Owens, the first African American Olympic Gold Medalist, and in fact snubbed him.
Now you will be surprised to find that it was Hitler who congratulated the Black American Athlete, as Jesse Owens himself once said: "Hitler didnt snub me. It was FDR who snubbed me. He didn't even send me a telegram." Owens said.
Forget Hitler - it was America that snubbed black Olympian Jesse Owens | Mail Online
Hitler 'shook hands' with black 1936 Olympic hero Jesse Owens | Mail Online
Now, Harry S. Truman, who would later take the seat of power following FDR's death, was a former member of the Ku Klux Klan, better known as the KKK. Famous for lynching Black people in the south.
Yep, these were the Western "Liberators" of Europe, fighting for "freedom, equality, and justice", but to them lives mattered very little, what mattered more was the green stuff and who was willing to stuff their pockets with more of it, and obviously, the international banks funded these lot and they towed their lines.
Now, i don't even want to begin to talk about Joseph Stalin, whom the Americans once called "Uncle Joe". We all know how tolerant he was, so tolerant and that he sentenced entire towns, villages, and cities to death.
Hitler was Racist, but that was typical of all major World leaders of his time, from Churchill, Roosevelt, Truman, to Stalin. However, in comparison to the latter lot, he was far more tolerant of other races except for those whom he deemed a threat to the existence of the German people and nation. He believed in the "live and let live" philosophy.
I would suggest you to watch Part 14 of the series i posted on this thread, but a little research would go a long way.
History is always written as the good guy against bad guy in black and white manner - and the winner is always the good guy no matter how evil. Stalin ostensibly killed more people than Hitler could ever envision yet nobody speaks about Soviet Holocaust. However denying Nazi Holocaust would land you a jail term. Similary British economical policies caused wide spread famine and death in many colonies - mainly in India yet there is no discussion about British Holocaust either!
@Joe Shearer
Of course many Red Army troops did fight with exceptional bravery, but it would be injustice to say that the Germans lacked determination or that their determination was inferior, there is no measurement of that when millions of men from both sides are willing to fight to the bitter end.
But one should also keep in mind, that with the determination to defend the Motherland, there was also the fear of the consequences they'd face at the hands of Stalin. Keep in mind that Stalin ordered the creation of special units which would open fire on any soldier retreating from the front, and any weak links within the front line units would be disposed of right on the spot.
After that order, there was a drastic noticeable change in Red army patterns, when before that 3 million+ Red Army soldiers surrendered to the Axis within 3-4 weeks of the German invasion.
Whole Army groups surrendered without putting up much resistance.
@Joe Shearer
sir' Joe in such an interesting & educative thread on the history assessment regarding WW2, you not participating is an injustice to pdf !
looking forward to your input
Bastard son of a ...
Although, i'm also a bit amused...Hitler might even have personally overseen your execution--the moment you go "heil ..."
@Joe Shearer
sir' Joe in such an interesting & educative thread on the history assessment regarding WW2, you not participating is an injustice to pdf !
looking forward to your input
No doubt about that, you would be spot on to state that the overall the average German soldier was much more disciplined and better trained than his counterpart. But i would argue that the Soviets were more determined than the Germans, after all they were defending their 'Mother Land'. It was their superior determination at Stalingrad where they stubbornly resisted despite the overwhelming odds which gained them the momentum they needed to put an end to Nazi Offensives.
Actually they were more afraid of the Germans than they were of Stalin. The German Invasion and occupation was nothing short of 'barbaric' against the Slavs. The Slavs were considered lesser than animals which convinced the average Soviet citizen that Stalin's rule despite barbaric was much better compared to that of the Nazis.
Stalin's orders make sense because the average Soviet soldier was a conscript with no history of any battlefield experience. Compare that to the average Nazi officers and soldiers whom had already seen action in France.
Indeed, because they were not prepared for the German onslaught. The Soviets lacked a disciplined officer core after the 'Great Purge', this is a field where the Germans had complete dominance in. But as the war went on, talent was allowed to come up through the Soviet ranks which enabled very capable officers to rise up. Zhukov, Rokossovsky could run circles around their German counterparts as they proved on later during the war.
I agree, its an absolute injustice to this thread that Hon @Joe Shearer wrote a one liner. This is a sign that judgement day is near
So true.
It is just pathetic to see how many Pakistani (and Indians) posters admire black faced turd known as hitler.
Even when the same hitler would kill these "lesser races" in no time whatsoever.
Arabs admire Hitler lackies like Mufti-tootsie-Azam of Palestine, and Indians admire the Hitler chamcha Subas Chandar bose.
Pakistanis don't know why they are admiring Hitler,
But I suspect their "love of Hitler" is copied from some 2-bit Arabs and Palestinians.
Anyone who has an iota of knowledge about Pakistan's fauji history (military history) knows and appreciates that people from modern day Pakistan willingly sacrificed in 100s of 1000s while fighting Nazis.
WW-2 graveyards (marked and unknowns) are filled with dead bodies of the modern day Pakistani ancestors.
Because they stood at the right side of history
And yet, these idiots try to idolize dimwit 2-bit pathetic SOG like Hitler.
Forcing and making a Pakistani forum to stand on the wrong side of history.
No wonder the same fascination with 2-bit mafiosos continues on when many of us (unfortunately) admire their barbarity:
case in point
-- Many Pakistanis admired 2-bit madar-ch* Sad-Damn and put up his pics on major streets.
-- Many Pakistanis admired 2-bit madar-ch* Gaddah-fi (Donkey-is) and still are keeping a major sports stadium in this pig's name.
-- Many Pakistanis admire 2-bit Yes-Sir-Are-Phat who drove his people into the ground and name their newborn sons as Yasir.
-- Many Pakistanis admire 2-bit madar-ch* Burqaposh Mullah and let him run amock in our society.
-- Many Pakistanis admire 2-bit madar-ch* Altaf Mota Chor, Bhatta Khor and vote for him over and over and over while that phat @rse enjoys monthly stipend from UK as a British citizen.
-- Many Pakistanis admire 2-bit madar-ch* Ben Fing Laden and made him an fing hero while he screwed Pakistan and his multiple wives few hundred yards from our premier military academy.
I can go on, but you see the pattern. Don't you?
Many of us do not know the difference between right and wrong in the context of modern world. And thus continue following stone age ways like pathetic janglees (petty tribals).
No wonder this pathetic thinking has brought the reputation of our beautiful country almost down to the level of basket case Somalia, Yemen, and Sierra Leon.
But we won't quit.
We will continue our "hard work" of admiring and following the ways of 2-bit mader-ch***s until our country
--- becomes a slave of India, under the boots of Indian army, or
--- worse under the chappals of Talib-bozos like Mullah Aziz (the black faced) or
--- even worse we destroy it with our bloody hands all thanks to a mass nukie suicide.
Yes, shamefully, this is what many admirers of Hitler will make Pakistan even though they claim to be the so-called educated and modern and live in UK/US/Canada.
Oh what an irony!
What an fing irony!
DISCLAIMER:
Nothing personal my dear posters. Nothing personal. You are all free to express your love for Hitler. I am just saying what will happen to pakistan if don't worry about the long term survival of our beautiful country.
So please please do not get offended. I am writing this down to oppose bad stone age ideas and not individuals. Thank you.