Adolf Hitler and the side of History never before seen.

[Falcon29]

@Desert Fox

What about the talk that it was actually Britain which initiated hostilities in WWI?

 

[Desert Fox]

Indeed he was a fine General, and this is exactly what lead to the collapse of Wehrmacht faster than anybody could have predicted. His constant meddling was one of the reasons why Wehrmacht Post 1942 started suffering heavy losses against the Soviets. At the end of the day he was a Corporal, not a General. If he would have let his Generals do their jobs, his defeat would have been postponed.

Well, lets see what the Chief of the Operations Staff of the Armed Forces High Command (Oberkommando der Wehrmacht, or OKW), Alfred Jodl had to say about Hitler's military expertise:


"Looking at the whole picture i cam convinced that he (Hitler) was a great military leader. Certainly no historian can say that Hannibal was a poor general because ultimately Carthage was destroyed."- Generaloberst Alfred Jodl

Now coming to your comment on the German failure in the Soviet Union. That was actually the responsibility of his Generals who instead of going with Hitler's plan of capturing the Soviet Union's oil fields in the Caucasus in a giant pincer attack they went head on towards Moscow which was strategically less significant compared to the Caucasus oil fields through which more than 80% of the Soviet Union's oil supply was derived from.

@Desert Fox

What about the talk that it was actually Britain which initiated hostilities in WWI?

Although i will admit that my knowledge about WW1, especially its main causes, isn't so strong. However i have come across a lot of legitimate sources which prove that the initiators of WW1 did have nefarious agendas, among which was to acquire Palestine through dismemberment of the Ottoman Empire, overthrowing the Czarist gov.t in Russia and the German Monarchy and in their place implementing Bolshevik regimes run by atheistic Zionist Jews, and from there spreading bloody revolutions all across Europe and the rest of the world.

 

[Desert Fox]

I concur. In fact, it was the Tripartite Pact between Germany, Italy and Japan that had doomed the Axis. Japan's attack and declaration of war on the United States initiated the conflict with the U.S. Germany, as an ally of Japan, was compelled to declare war on the United States as per the alliance. Had Germany and Italy not signed the Tripartite Pact with Japan in 1940, then there is a possibility that the Germany and the United States wouldn't have warred with each other. In addition, without the moral and political support of Fascists Germany and Italy, I doubt the Japanese Empire would have followed through with the plan to attack Pearl Harbor. In fact, there is a possibility that Japan would have relinquished its possessions in China in order to reverse the oil and steel embargo that the US and the UK had enacted on her (which was a response to the Japanese invasion of China proper).

Hitler's declaration of war on the United States was reached after the Roosevelt Administration made it their policy of supplying arms and even providing British merchant vessels protection against German U-Boats and Surface vessels which was in clear violation of the neutrality act and international law to which Americans claim they adhered to until Hitler declared war on America for "no apparent reason".

Before Hitler's declaration of war against America German U-Boats were being fired upon by American ships and submarine hunting aircraft not to mention their locations were being provided to the British Royal Navy but the German Navy did not have permission to fire back because they understood the Americans were looking for an excuse to enter the war on the side of Britain, however ultimately Hitler himself had to declare war as it was the only option.

Roosevelt's 'Secret Map' Speech

 

[ali_raza]

can anyone have any knowledge about how much all that war costed germany economically.have any body ever made any statistics about that??

 

[notorious_eagle]

Well, lets see what the Chief of the Operations Staff of the Armed Forces High Command (Oberkommando der Wehrmacht, or OKW), Alfred Jodl had to say about Hitler's military expertise:

"Looking at the whole picture i cam convinced that he (Hitler) was a great military leader. Certainly no historian can say that Hannibal was a poor general because ultimately Carthage was destroyed."- Generaloberst Alfred Jodl

Everyone has the right to their own opinion, Jodl ignored Hitler's orders twice because they were not practical as Hitler was hallucinating. You might also want to read what Manstien thought about Hitler's Strategical Mind, at the end of the day facts on the ground disagree with the fact that Hitler was a wise General. He was not, he was a Corporal not a General.

Now coming to your comment on the German failure in the Soviet Union. That was actually the responsibility of his Generals who instead of going with Hitler's plan of capturing the Soviet Union's oil fields in the Caucasus in a giant pincer attack they went head on towards Moscow which was strategically less significant compared to the Caucasus oil fields through which more than 80% of the Soviet Union's oil supply was derived from.

There you go, those General were wise and knew what they were doing. The capture of Moscow would have knocked out Soviet C&C and would have dealt a death blow to Soviet Morale. You always keep your enemy on the toes, don't give him the change to regroup and counterattack. This is exactly what Hitler allowed the Soviets to do when he launched Operation Typhoon, it was a tactical win but certainly not a strategic one. While the German Doctrine was good enough to win Tactical Battles, they had some learning to do when it came to Strategic Battles.

 

[NP-complete]

Hitler was the definition of 'far right', not a bad guy. The world was possessed with rightist thought during those days. There is nothing out of the ordinary about nazis. Just regular early 20th century far rightists. Pakistan itself is a product of this thought.

You might also want to read what Manstien thought about Hitler's Strategical Mind, at the end of the day facts on the ground disagree with the fact that Hitler was a wise General. He was not, he was a Corporal not a General.

Manstein actually had some good things to say about Hitler.

"When considering Hitler in the role of a military leader, one should certainly not dismiss him with such clichés as 'the lance-corporal of World War I'. He undoubtedly had a certain eye for operational openings, as had been shown by the way he opted for Army Group A's plan in the west. Indeed, this is often to be found in military amateurs - otherwise history would not have recorded so many dukes and princes as successful commanders.

In addition, though, Hitler possessed an astoundingly retentive memory and an imagination that made him quick to grasp all technical matters and problems of armaments. He was amazingly familiar with the effect of the very latest enemy weapons and could reel off whole columns of figures on both our own and the enemy's war production. Indeed, this was his favourite way of side-tracking any topic that was not to his liking. There can be no question that his insight and unusual energy were responsible for many achievements in the sphere of armaments."

 

[Desert Fox]

"Looking at the whole picture i cam convinced that he (Hitler) was a great military leader. Certainly no historian can say that Hannibal was a poor general because ultimately Carthage was destroyed."- Generaloberst Alfred Jodl

Everyone has the right to their own opinion, Jodl ignored Hitler's orders twice because they were not practical as Hitler was hallucinating. You might also want to read what Manstien thought about Hitler's Strategical Mind, at the end of the day facts on the ground disagree with the fact that Hitler was a wise General. He was not, he was a Corporal not a General.

Of course no body here is saying Hitler was perfect, however to make up silly statements like "Hitler was hallucinating" or that he wasn't a good General because he was a corporal in WW1, which has absolutely nothing to do with Hitler's role as Germany's Führer from 1933-1945, et cetra, is completely false and baseless considering that many of his Generals admitted that his plans would have worked far better than their own had they been implemented properly.

There you go, those General were wise and knew what they were doing. The capture of Moscow would have knocked out Soviet C&C and would have dealt a death blow to Soviet Morale. You always keep your enemy on the toes, don't give him the change to regroup and counterattack. This is exactly what Hitler allowed the Soviets to do when he launched Operation Typhoon, it was a tactical win but certainly not a strategic one. While the German Doctrine was good enough to win Tactical Battles, they had some learning to do when it came to Strategic Battles.

No, those Generals were not "wise", and anyone who believes they were "wise" does not have the slightest knowledge of military history and strategy.

1). Capturing Moscow would not have done any significant damage to the Soviet C&C because they would have simply shifted their HQ/capital further east as they did during Napoleon's campaign. And with more than 1,000 Factories and production plants shifted east, past the Ural mountains, which was more significant of an achievement than moving C&C centers. The Soviets had strategic depth on their side, not to mention the bad weather and early winter snow prevented any German capture of Moscow in the first place.

2). It was Hitler who noted that in order to defeat a country as big as the Soviet Union his armies would have to capture her natural resources, particularly the oil fields in the Caucasus, and thus deprive her armies of more than 85% of their oil. This would have crippled the entire Soviet War machine. Capturing capital cities only worked for countries the size of France or smaller.

On Operation Typhoon:

1). That was the plan of Hitler's Generals, not Hitler himself because he viewed Moscow as less strategically important than the Caucasus.

2). After the failed Battle for Moscow due to the stupidity on the part of Hitler's Generals, the writing was on the wall for everyone to see that the next German offensive would be towards the Caucasus, so it really makes no sense to blame Hitler for this when it was his Generals who took the element of surprise and wasted it on an attempt to capture Moscow during freezing weather during which German tanks and trucks couldn't even function. Had it been the other way around with the main offensive going towards the Caucasus in 1941-1942 and the secondary offensive towards Moscow in 1942-1943 (as Hitler had planned) perhaps the situation would have been far more favorable for the Germans because the Red Army would not have been able to effectively defend Moscow without any fuel and victory for the Germans would have been right around the corner.

Hitler was the definition of 'far right', not a bad guy. The world was possessed with rightist thought during those days. There is nothing out of the ordinary about nazis. Just regular early 20th century far rightists. Pakistan itself is a product of this thought.

Hitler and the NSDAP were considered moderates, taking up the middle positions between the extreme left and extreme right. In fact, during the 1920-1940's the far right were considered the Right Wing Conservative Religious and Aristocratic Parties. In no way was Hitler a aristocrat or a religious person of the type who would advocate Religion in Politics, which is why the Nazi party and German gov.t and its sympathizers were full of people of different faiths including Jews, Catholics (Hitler himself was a Catholic), Pagans, and even some Muslims who sympathized with the Nazi cause.

Manstein actually had some good things to say about Hitler.

"When considering Hitler in the role of a military leader, one should certainly not dismiss him with such clichés as 'the lance-corporal of World War I'. He undoubtedly had a certain eye for operational openings, as had been shown by the way he opted for Army Group A's plan in the west. Indeed, this is often to be found in military amateurs - otherwise history would not have recorded so many dukes and princes as successful commanders.

In addition, though, Hitler possessed an astoundingly retentive memory and an imagination that made him quick to grasp all technical matters and problems of armaments. He was amazingly familiar with the effect of the very latest enemy weapons and could reel off whole columns of figures on both our own and the enemy's war production. Indeed, this was his favourite way of side-tracking any topic that was not to his liking. There can be no question that his insight and unusual energy were responsible for many achievements in the sphere of armaments."

Most of Hitler's Generals did hold him in high esteem secretly, this was known from the tape recordings from British intelligence which eaves dropped on captured German Generals conversations during their captivity. It was only overtly that they bad mouthed Hitler for the sake of being spared from the harassment of powerful Jewish Organizations that made it a career to make a living hell for any surviving German who served in Hitler's Armed Forces.

 

[Desert Fox]

@Desert Fox

What about the talk that it was actually Britain which initiated hostilities in WWI?

This video should be of great interest to you since a lot about WWI, Palestine, Zionist influence, and what not is mentioned:

 

[Falcon29]

This video should be of great interest to you since a lot about WWI, Palestine, Zionist influence, and what not is mentioned:

I watched it before, I also heard he is of Jewish identity/descent. This is taking place in the West as we see today. In the Muslim world it doesn't work, so they inflitrate our leadership and try corrupting our people that way.

 

[Super Falcon]

I support Hitler what Hitler said he was 10000 times right Churchill and co Al are axis of evil