‘Admitting you are a secularist can get you killed in Pakistan’

[Sugarcane]

In the first verse where it describes punishment it says cut but has a seperate word for off. In the second verse it says cut as in they cut themselves. The cutting off of the hand is supposed to serve as a deterrent for theft. In that if the community saw one man lost his hands they all would take heed before committing the same crime. Also there are a lot of conditions that must be met before one is declared a theif. I tried to find a source I though could explain it best.

The ruling of theft in Islam - Islam web - English

In this century such a punishment is frowned upon because of human rights groups who make every major punishment look like it is a bad idea. The same human rights groups also want to completely abolish executions for murderers and instead want them to live out their lives in jail eating food off of tax payer money. Do you agree with that?? I know many people who do not. You have to take into consideration that the purpose of such a law was not that everyone's hands start getting cut off. The whole point was the premise that people would be deterred from stealing after the first theif had his/hers hand cut off. I know I would be less likely to try and steal if I witnessed that punishment, wouldn't you??

Also yaar you have to take into account if the law actually worked or not, kindly check the stats on robbery during the caliphate times. I can bet you they were really low. Secondly it may seem barbaric but sometimes harsh penalties need to dished out the evil doers to protect the many from the few who would do them harm. Check out the recent India rape cases for example, how even the most anti-Muslim posters on this forum were asking for a punishment dished out based on sharia law. That is because they were mad and they felt a punishment that would serve as a future deterrent needed to be set as a precedent.



You are Muslim??

Thanks dude, Did you find the which word represents "off" - Actually the main thing which confuse me is that Punishment of thief looks injustice as compare to Adulterer and Murder plus Hadith's are contradicting Qur^an by putting condition of amount and hand should be cut only if value is more than certain amount and that amount also have disputes.

 

[KingMamba]

Thanks dude, Did you find the which word represents "off" - Actually the main thing which confuse me is that Punishment of thief looks injustice as compare to Adulterer and Murder plus Hadith's are contradicting Qur^an by putting condition of amount and hand should be cut only if value is more than certain amount and that amount also have disputes.

The problem with punishment of adulterer is that adultery is nearly impossible to prove. Remember the 4 witness rule was made because some people were lobbing false accusations at others. So in essence with the 4 witnesses rule there is no punishment for adultery except after death because let us face it, who has sex with 4 people watching them lol?? If someone confesses on their own accord repeatedly (3 times) than they will be punished for adultery which is lashes. If you look at examples of people being punished for adultery they were disregarded the first 2 times they claimed to have committed it until the third time they were punished, and this was done to them by their own will. Yes I found the word that represents "off" just follow those steps I gave you in the post before this and the site I was talking about actually shows you.

We have gone through murder already, in the quran Allah says those who forgive even someone who murdered their own will have done a great deed because forgiveness is valued highly in Islam. If they do not find it within their hearts to forgive than execution can be done (of course all of this has to be done after the accused has actually been proven to have killed or he himself confessed to the crime). The blood money part was added so that there can some insurance for people who lost their bread earner so that has to be made if the man is forgiven but not if he is not.

 

[KingMamba]

@LoveIcon if you get onto the website, it will show the arabic text with the english translation. Than just click the arabic text and it will break the verse down for you with the translaton for each part and how it is pronounced.

 

[JonAsad]

Little while ago i made a comprehensive post on about the people eligible to dispute the hadith-
@Talon @LoveIcon-
I mentioned the concept of Fiqh and Ijtihad-
I mentioned the Big4 Faqihs- commonly known as four Imams-

None of the concerned people replied yet-
Why?-

I quote myself-

Exactly how can you verify Quran the message of God-
While you find your self qualified enough to still verify the ahadith or Sunnah of the final prophet of the same God?-

If you can dispute the Ahadith whats magical formula makes your belief in Quran so special as to be words of Allah-
Why this disparity-
Like Hadiths many people mis interpret Quran aswell-

Quran like the Ahadiths were written and compiled from scripts and mainly memory of the same mortal human beings akin to mistakes as the case in Hadiths-- Quran was arranged in order of a book way after the death of Holy Prophet by the people-

If you can suspect fabrication in Ahadith why not Quran?-

The four undisputed Imams of Fiqh- accepted by all sects of Islam- even arch rivals Shia- Sunni-
Imam Shafee- Imam Malik- Imam Hambali- Imam Hanifa- who compiled these Ahadith with years of dedicated research- who dedicated their life for this cause you a student of Biology thinks is Qualified enough to dispute them?-

Which mainstream great Faqih you have as a backing?-
Do you have any training in Fiqh that so you dispute the findings of the greatest Faqihs?-

Do you know what Fiqh and Faqih is- sorry but every loonie toonie cannot be a Faqih- deciding which way of life or teaching is best or correct to follow for oneself- that goes against the basic teachings of Islam as divine religion for all- no offense-

Then there is Ijtihad-
Go google some about Fiqh and Ijtihad and Islamic pre qualifications an individual needs to have to be able to dispute or declare any thing wrong or right-

@LoveIcon the link you posted the author doesnt have any credibility against the authors of Saha e Sitta-

@Talon @LoveIcon
I didnt call any one a Kafir infact i posted against it-

@Zarvan- most things you say i agree with- but please dont declare any one Kafir so blatantly-
The word Kafir to some automatically plagues your other arguments- no matter how much true they are-

Ibn Umar (peace be upon him) said:
The Messenger of Allah (صلى الله عليه وسل&#1605 said,
"When a person calls his brother (in Islam) a disbeliever, one of them will certainly deserve the title, If the addressee is so as he has asserted, the disbelief of the man is confirmed, but if it is untrue, then it will revert to him."
[Al-Bukhari and Muslim]]

Prophet Muhammad (Salalaho alehe wasalam) has warned us that if a person calls another KAFIR and the person called that is not one, then the individual who made the accusation is a KAFIR. And he/she has to perform TAJDEED-E-IMAAN and TAJDEED-E-NIKAH (if married).

So be careful-
If Allah find the other person a Muslim then you are the one who is Kafir-

so feel free to express yourselves freely with me-

 

[Sugarcane]

@LoveIcon if you get onto the website, it will show the arabic text with the english translation. Than just click the arabic text and it will break the verse down for you with the translaton for each part and how it is pronounced.

I have checked - but didn't find any difference expect grammatical change because at one place it's Past sentence and on other location it's current and in order form.

Little while ago i made a comprehensive post on about the people eligible to dispute the hadith-

I mentioned the concept of Fiqh and Ijtihad-
I mentioned the Big4 Faqihs- commonly known as four Imams-

None of the concerned people replied yet-
Why?-

I quote myself-


@Talon @LoveIcon
I didnt call any one a Kafir infact i posted against it-


so feel free to express yourselves freely with me-

What's difference between "قَطَّعۡنَ" and "فَاقۡطَعُوۡۤا" and what's meaning

 

[immortals]

So it's divine guidance?? If yes, then what does "secular" mean in the context of Muslims and Islam?

You have to use "Human" reasoning to understand the "Divine"?? Doesn't that make the divine entirely human??

i feel, in today's world, most blind peoples to see reality of islam is muslim themself.

is there anyone who found the real meaning of Tauheed? (every answer is in it )

yah RAZ ksi ko nahe malom k Momin
Qari Nazar Ata hay Haqekat mai hay Quran -

 

[JonAsad]

I have checked - but didn't find any difference expect grammatical change because at one place it's Past sentence and on other location it's current and in order form.



What's difference between "قَطَّعۡنَ" and "فَاقۡطَعُوۡۤا" and what's meaning

Sorry i dont know-
If you can post the ayah-

 

[Patriots]

In the first verse where it describes punishment it says cut but has a seperate word for off. In the second verse it says cut as in they cut themselves. The cutting off of the hand is supposed to serve as a deterrent for theft. In that if the community saw one man lost his hands they all would take heed before committing the same crime. Also there are a lot of conditions that must be met before one is declared a theif. I tried to find a source I though could explain it best.

The ruling of theft in Islam - Islam web - English

In this century such a punishment is frowned upon because of human rights groups who make every major punishment look like it is a bad idea. The same human rights groups also want to completely abolish executions for murderers and instead want them to live out their lives in jail eating food off of tax payer money. Do you agree with that?? I know many people who do not. You have to take into consideration that the purpose of such a law was not that everyone's hands start getting cut off. The whole point was the premise that people would be deterred from stealing after the first theif had his/hers hand cut off. I know I would be less likely to try and steal if I witnessed that punishment, wouldn't you??

Also yaar you have to take into account if the law actually worked or not, kindly check the stats on robbery during the caliphate times. I can bet you they were really low. Secondly it may seem barbaric but sometimes harsh penalties need to dished out the evil doers to protect the many from the few who would do them harm. Check out the recent India rape cases for example, how even the most anti-Muslim posters on this forum were asking for a punishment dished out based on sharia law. That is because they were mad and they felt a punishment that would serve as a future deterrent needed to be set as a precedent.

You people annotate to Quran by yourself … Verse is very much clear to cut off the hands … But you paraphrase of the verse … Now is the point Quran has revealed till hour … You wanna say this punishment won’t be applicable in present time … So, kindly tell me is this not refutation of Quran ..

Kindly see below Quranic verse its translation in Urdu & English !!!

وَٱلسَّارِقُ وَٱلسَّارِقَةُ فَٱقۡطَعُوٓاْ أَيۡدِيَهُمَا جَزَآءَۢ بِمَا كَسَبَا نَكَـٰلاً۬ مِّنَ ٱللَّهِ*ۗ وَٱللَّهُ عَزِيزٌ حَكِيمٌ۬
(المَائدة: ٣&#1640

And (as for) the male theif and the female thief, cut off (from the wrist joint) their (right) hands as a recompense for that which they committed, a punishment by way of example from Allâh. And Allâh is All-Powerful, All-Wise.
(Al-Maeda: 38)

اور چور خواہ مرد ہو یا عورت دونوں کے ہاتھ کاٹ دو یہ ان کی کمائی کا بدلہ اور الله کی طرف سے عبرت ناک سزا ہے اور الله غالب حکمت
والا ہے
(المَائدة: ۳&#1784

 

[Sugarcane]

Little while ago i made a comprehensive post on about the people eligible to dispute the hadith-
@Talon @LoveIcon-
I mentioned the concept of Fiqh and Ijtihad-
I mentioned the Big4 Faqihs- commonly known as four Imams-

None of the concerned people replied yet-
Why?-

I quote myself-


@Talon @LoveIcon
I didnt call any one a Kafir infact i posted against it-


so feel free to express yourselves freely with me-

As people are already labeling Kafair, Kharji or Qadiani so let be it, Let's assume that i was non-Muslim, somehow i got copy of Qur^an, i read it and my heart believed that it's not work of any human and surely word of God & in Qur^an it says that it is revealed through Prophet SAW - i believed in that as well. In Quran i found that i have to Pray 5 time, in prayer i have to bow, prostrate and glorify god and ask forgiveness & guidance etc. but i am not sure how exactly i should do. Now Quran says the example i should follow is sunnah of Muhammad SAW and also warns me about false stories and satanic acts (there are verses in Quran regarding this which i have quoted already), Ok, to know about Sunnah - I contacted few Muslims and they came with 4 different Hadith's regarding method and all says that it's correct method and your prayer will not be accepted if you don't follow this method - And Hadith's start like someone heard from someones uncle's brother's etc. etc. that Muhammad SAW said so - now tell me shouldn't i try judge these Hadith's - Mind you i am converted from another religion by reading & believing Qur^an and didn't knew there are thousands of Hadith's. So, Which Imam is more credible and why other Muslims don't follow him if he is more credible. And what i should do in this situation?

 

[muse]

i feel, in today's world, most blind peoples to see reality of islam is muslim themself.

i -

Interesting, so the Muslim is not a reflection of Islam? have I understood you correctly? - More Real as opposed to unreal Islam?

This is so really elusive stuff, this Islam - no one knows it, can they even know it? after all how can the human know the Divine, except in entirely human terms - One wonders if there is disappointment in halls of heaven

 

[Patriots]

As people are already labeling Kafair, Kharji or Qadiani so let be it, Let's assume that i was non-Muslim, somehow i got copy of Qur^an, i read it and my heart believed that it's not work of any human and surely word of God & in Qur^an it says that it is revealed through Prophet SAW - i believed in that as well. In Quran i found that i have to Pray 5 time, in prayer i have to bow, prostrate and glorify god and ask forgiveness & guidance etc. but i am not sure how exactly i should do. Now Quran says the example i should follow is sunnah of Muhammad SAW and also warns me about false stories and satanic acts (there are verses in Quran regarding this which i have quoted already), Ok, to know about Sunnah - I contacted few Muslims and they came with 4 different Hadith's regarding method and all says that it's correct method and your prayer will not be accepted if you don't follow this method - And Hadith's start like someone heard from someones uncle's brother's etc. etc. that Muhammad SAW said so - now tell me shouldn't i try judge these Hadith's - Mind you i am converted from another religion by reading & believing Qur^an and didn't knew there are thousands of Hadith's. So, Which Imam is more credible and why other Muslims don't follow him if he is more credible. And what i should do in this situation?

Islam doesn’t some type of liberal Muslims … This religion is already spread rapidly in Europe with complete belief on Quran & Ahadith ..

 

[Sugarcane]

Islam doesn’t some type of liberal Muslims … This religion is already spread rapidly in Europe with complete belief on Quran & Ahadith ..

What's your age?

 

[Patriots]

Again - same copy & paste. As you are expert of Quran & Hadith - Let me ask you more simple question. I am salaried person, don't have any property or gold or whatsoever and also don't have any saving in my bank account. How i should calculate my Zakat (i.e. %age) and when i should calculate & give it?

In this condition Zakat would not be applicable ..

What's your age?

35 Why?????

 

[Sugarcane]

In this condition Zakat would not be applicable ..

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35 Why?????

Are you sure? Because your previous comment was similar to what i used to say in my teenage

 

[Patriots]

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Are you sure? Because your previous comment was similar to what i used to say in my teenage

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