Accept Vande Mataram or go to Pakistan

[brahmastra]

You can bow to anyone anyting either out of respect or whatever you have in your mind BUT we Muslims do not bow to anything Not even Human because Islam sees everyone equal.

A Muslim is also not suppose to touch the feet of any other fellow simple as that because we all Human are equal.

than why you muslims bowed to kings(moghuls) whenever you come or leave the 'Darbaar'.?

 

[Spring Onion]

than why you muslims bowed to kings(moghuls) whenever you come or leave the 'Darbaar'.?

They mostly either Hindus or Hindu converts.
There is NO Room for that in Islam

Muslims even Did NOT bow to our Prophets.

 

[toxic_pus]

Mr Noorani also stated many other facts with neutral references.

Regardless of the facts, the point he makes is the same.

And same ol same ol hmmmm you are expecting us to accept the transaltion of your favour by ignorant people on the forum but you are rejected this one

Trust me. My expectation of you is not too high.

Anyway, I didn't reject the translation.

 

[Meesna]

Question is can a majority force a minority to accept what goes against the beliefs of the minority? If we look at Pakistan then answer is squarely yes. For instance, if a Muslim in Pakistan does not accept the ‘official’ definition of a Muslim set by majority then he is deprive of his right to believe as he wishes by law under pain of punishment, in violation of his beliefs. Can the same not be done in India regardless of if it violates the beliefs of a minority? Personally I’m against any coercion and violation of anyone's human rights and I think it is probably a case of it being OK if oppressors are Muslim, in Pakistan, but wrong when those being oppressed are Muslim, in India.

 

[Meesna]

They mostly either Hindus or Hindu converts.
There is NO Room for that in Islam

Muslims even Did NOT bow to our Prophets.

Does it matter? The majority in India should be able to decide what is right just like the majority does in Pakistan.

Let me quote Maulana Maududi here;

In an Islamic state non-Muslims would be second-class citizens. He said if India decided after that to declare all Muslims second-class citizens then that would be right too. He said Muslims had fought in India on the claim that they were a different nation. There was no harm if India considered its Muslims a separate nation.

and

It appears now certain that the country will be partitioned. One portion of India will be given to the Muslim majority and the other will be controlled by the non-Muslims. In the first part ( Pakistan ) we shall mobilize public opinion to base Pakistan ’s constitution on the Islamic laws. In the other part we will be in a minority and you (Hindus) will be in a majority. We would request you to study the lives and teachings of Ramchandra, Krishnaji, Buddha, Guru Nanak and other sages. Please study the Vedasm Puranas, Shastras and other books. And if you cull out any divine guidance from these, we would request you to base your constitution on this guidance. We would request you to treat us exactly on the lines of the teachings of your religions. We would raise no objections.

References can be seen here; http://indianmuslims.in/maulana-maududis-terrifying-vision-for-indian-muslims/

 

[Join]

Vande mataram," I bow to thee my mother" , As per our muslim bros its against there culture to do that, nor can they divert the patriortism in such a manner...

Thats it, its up to them to take it, I dont find anything religious about it, its a democratic country, anyone is free to practise what they want, unless its made a law or rule...

 

[Spring Onion]

Does it matter? The majority in India should be able to decide what is right just like the majority does in Pakistan.

The Majority in Pakistan do not enforce reciting of Quran for Hindus or other None-Muslims. Nor we put any such law which force them to leave their own beliefs just beacuse we want them to bow before our God.


So get a life and do not try to bluff the people by bringing in Pakistan.

If you are so keen to defend your country by debating what is going on in my country then do open an another thread i would be happy to debate with you there.

 

[Meesna]

The Majority in Pakistan do not enforce reciting of Quran for Hindus or other None-Muslims. Nor we put any such law which force them to leave their own beliefs just beacuse we want them to bow before our God.

They are forced to leave their religion as they are legally and constitutionally treated as lesser humans until such time they recite kalima and become Muslim and only then they are citizens.

Also an official definition of Muslim is enforced and whichever Muslim does not abide by it is treated under the constitution as non-human, a slave, an achoot and it is all done legally. In fact Pakistan is a unique country even among Muslim countries which so forcefully tries to interfere with the religious freedom of its inhabitants. There are laws to stop people form considering THEMSELVES Muslim and the religion is mentioned on all official forms to ensure a very comprehensive religious profiling.

So get a life and do not try to bluff the people by bringing in Pakistan.

If you are so keen to defend your country by debating what is going on in my country then do open an another thread i would be happy to debate with you there.

I was merely trying to establish a principle. If the principle exists in Pakistan then surely that isn’t such a surprise (or unfair) if it is implemented else where.

 

[Spring Onion]

They are forced to leave their religion as they are legally and constitutionally treated as lesser humans until such time they recite kalima and become Muslim and only then they are citizens.

Also an official definition of Muslim is enforced and whichever Muslim does not abide by it is treated under the constitution as non-human, a slave, an achoot and it is all done legally. In fact Pakistan is a unique country even among Muslim countries which so forcefully tries to interfere with the religious freedom of its inhabitants. There are laws to stop people form considering THEMSELVES Muslim and the religion is mentioned on all official forms to ensure a very comprehensive religious profiling.



I was merely trying to establish a principal. If the principal exists in Pakistan then surely that isn’t such a surprise (or unfair) if it is implemented else where.

I do not agree with your claim.

Open an another thread if you want to debate that i would like to reply you there.


Do not detrail this thread.

 

[moha199]

They are forced to leave their religion as they are legally and constitutionally treated as lesser humans until such time they recite kalima and become Muslim and only then they are citizens.

Also an official definition of Muslim is enforced and whichever Muslim does not abide by it is treated under the constitution as non-human, a slave, an achoot and it is all done legally. In fact Pakistan is a unique country even among Muslim countries which so forcefully tries to interfere with the religious freedom of its inhabitants. There are laws to stop people form considering THEMSELVES Muslim and the religion is mentioned on all official forms to ensure a very comprehensive religious profiling.



I was merely trying to establish a principal. If the principal exists in Pakistan then surely that isn’t such a surprise (or unfair) if it is implemented else where.

Where are you getting your facts from and I would think that you have mistakenly put Pakistani flag up there since you don't know wack about Pakistan bro!!!I have more christen friends in Pakistan then Muslims and they were never put down ever! You must be smoking by bringing Pakistan into this and thinking that Pakistan forces people and interfere into non muslims life's. BY LAW...... Rest JANA'S point is right that we muslims don't bow down to no one, but Allah....

 

[moha199]

Back to topic please!!!

 

[Join]

I do not agree with your claim.

Open an another thread if you want to debate that i would like to reply you there.


Do not detrail this thread.

A simple example would be taliban, which the world calls a terror group is striving to make pakistan a muslim country, which it partially is , and there ideology is to do that to entire world..... And we have refugees who escaped from pakistan , they were beaten brutally just because they were hindus, have u got any muslim refugee who came to pakistan?

 

[moha199]

A simple example would be taliban, which the world calls a terror group is striving to make pakistan a muslim country, which it partially is , and there ideology is to do that to entire world..... And we have refugees who escaped from pakistan , they were beaten brutally just because they were hindus, have u got any muslim refugee who came to pakistan?

I hope you have read the forum's rules.. Off the topic debates are harmful, It could lead to a ban or a delete post so please if you guys wanna talk about Pakistan then open up another thread thank you

 

[Join]

I hope you have read the forum's rules.. Off the topic debates are harmful, It could lead to a ban or a delete post so please if you guys wanna talk about Pakistan then open up another thread thank you

Ok fine , END of This topic..... Vande mataram

 

[Spring Onion]

A simple example would be taliban, which the world calls a terror group is striving to make pakistan a muslim country, which it partially is , and there ideology is to do that to entire world..... And we have refugees who escaped from pakistan , they were beaten brutally just because they were hindus, have u got any muslim refugee who came to pakistan?

Again this has notthing to do with this thread and again it needs another thread to be debated there properly if you want a debate over this.


On a side note the TTP terrorists have not only targeted non-Muslims but they Targeted 99.99% Muslims in Pakistan.

BACK TO TOPIC.