Abrar-ul-Haq expresses support for Tehrike-e-Labbaik-Ya-Rasulullah

[The Eagle]

abrar was against the beating that the protesters are getting.while after the death of that kid who died because of their illegal protest i think these guys are getting far less than they deserve.

A different subject and read my first post in this thread again. Whatever he said, observes, the protest etc and everything, does not relate anything to Rabwa Times claim at all. Why to attract unnecessary yet provocative stunt. I said and will repeat again, does the video or protest has anything to do with Ahmediya? but it is more about PMLn wrong amendment. This is the core concern that I shared in first post here and that is simple to understand.

Any protest that challenges the law of land, comprises the security and disrupt the daily living of commoners, is not plausible. I am not Abrar supporter nor the protesters and all I wanted to highlight a wrong caption per my observation.

 

[Verve]

a protest which was held without a permit or government permission hence breaking the law.they were repeatedly told to hold the protest in designated area but they were adamant in holding the protest in our capital.after issuing them so many warning even before they started their march government is now well within it rights to use the reasonable force to disperse them and i support them.

Rings a bell this ... Isn't this what PMLN supporters said when teargas and shells were fired at PTI and PAT supporters and a few were killed?

And this one is a peaceful protest. It was the job of the city administration to let them protest but giving them a route that worked best with least discomfort for commuters etc. But when the government is bigoted like this one, it doesn't want resolution, it only wants confrontation so protest organisation and coordination is thrown in the garbage bin.

Yes, blame the death of a child on the peaceful protestors. In civilised world, the blame goes to the administration but hey you libsecs know better of course!

 

[darksider]

did he say anything wrong about qadyanis?
if not then qadyani times should not worry about this video and don't spread false propaganda about prominent Pakistani.
And Muslims are not a minority in Pakistan, but qadiyani are.why you guys write Muslim minority?

 

[pak-marine]

https://twitter.com/x/status/929391837202321410

Seriously he wants to support an extremist party?

• A party who didn't even spared a person like Abdul Sattar Edhi?
• A party who make heroes out of criminals?
• A party who incite people for violence?
• A party whose leader uses extremely abusive language for everyone?
• A party who without any shame uses Islam for votes?

@Hell hound @Zibago @django @Moonlight what is wrong with this guy? thought of him as a sane person. How low one can go for politics Abrar really disappointed.

This kind only understands once they are directly affected by a fatwa if back in the days mr rizvi had issued a fatwa on nach panjaban “”aaj yeh seculars ka sardar hota “”

 

[Hell hound]

I wanted to highlight a wrong caption per my observation.

this seems to be the cause of confusion between us.i wasn't discussing what the rabwa time was saying about abrar at all.
my focus was his support for illegal protest and the beating they are getting because of it irrespective of what ever caption the rabwa time is giving to there tweet.

The anarchists very well know how braindead Pakistanis are yet they fk with them by calling their sacred laws "black law".. they know the sensitivities related to the issue yet poke the "brain dead" people.

This controversy is not started by brain deads but present govt, brain deads are doing what they do best..

keep poking brain deads and when they hit you back start whining extremism, terrorism etc

astonishing how instead of promoting the proper thought process you still are supporting this brain dead behavior and justifying a murder in the process.

 

[The Eagle]

this seems to be the cause of confusion between us.i wasn't discussing what the rabwa time was saying about abrar at all.
my focus was his support for illegal protest and the beating they are getting because of it irrespective of what ever caption the rabwa time is giving to there tweet.

Exactly. Now coming to your prospective w.r.t. illegal protest. In my opinion subject of protest is correct but the way it is being carried out, is not. Protest is the right of any aggrieved party or person but the same need to be within the norms and boundaries of Law while not resulting in Law & Order situation. PMLn Government wants to get rid of protesters not just because of the way they are doing as such but people here are demanding to bring the culprit before the law. However, in such situation, anyone would try to score points per interest. I don't know much details about this protest however, read it through different sources as the same was actually resulting in locking down the City Islamabad hence, I call it wrong way to do the right thing.

 

[Verve]

this seems to be the cause of confusion between us.i wasn't discussing what the rabwa time was saying about abrar at all.
my focus was his support for illegal protest and the beating they are getting because of it irrespective of what ever caption the rabwa time is giving to there tweet.

what a way to dilute and derail the thread ... the fabricated topic is Abrar's support of a certain party and you are bringing in illegal protest and death of a child.

Start another thread on what you specifically want to talk about.

 

[Hell hound]

Rings a bell this ... Isn't this what PMLN supporters said when teargas and shells were fired at PTI and PAT supporters and a few were killed?

And this one is a peaceful protest. It was the job of the city administration to let them protest but giving them a route that worked best with least discomfort for commuters etc. But when the government is bigoted like this one, it doesn't want resolution, it only wants confrontation so protest organisation and coordination is thrown in the garbage bin.

Yes, blame the death of a child on the peaceful protestors. In civilised world, the blame goes to the administration but hey you libsecs know better of course!

have you even read the news before the protest government warned them multiple time to hold the protest in the designated area and not to march to capital but they they still did it.they not the government is at the wrong here. government did provided them the freedom to hold the protest ,they did give them a place they did the arrangements for them at that place but these guys didn't wanted any of that all they wanted was to march to capital and cause disruption there.you tell me who is at the wrong here.who was the cause of the childs death

 

[Verve]

have you even read the news before the protest government warned them multiple time to hold the protest in the designated area and not to march to capital but they they still did it.they not the government is at the wrong here. government did provided them the freedom to hold the protest ,they did give them a place they did the arrangements for them at that place but these guys didn't wanted any of that all they wanted was to march to capital and cause disruption there.you tell me who is at the wrong here.who was the cause of the childs death

Tell that to the French ..... and see what they'll do to you! How many times large parts of Paris have been completely choked, any idea? I worked there and I know all too well ... and the liberal secular public supports the peaceful protestors no matter what!

You are one of the flag bearers of liberal secularism here, why not study a little how protests are done in liberal secular countries, like France?

What's the point of a protest miles away from the ministry that is responsible for holding to account the culprits behind that bill? It completely dilutes the impact of the protest.

Government should have negotiated a proper passage and provisioned for emergency services to pass through. Deal a heavy hand, receive a heavy hand. You only want to blame the bearded men, so carry on.

buck stops with the authorities!

 

[Hell hound]

Tell that to the French ..... and see what they'll do to you! How many times large parts of Paris have been completely choked, any idea? I worked there and I know all too well ... and the liberal secular public supports the peaceful protestors no matter what!

You are one of the flag bearers of liberal secularism here, why not study a little how protests are done in liberal secular countries, like France?

What's the point of a protest miles away from the ministry that is responsible for holding to account the culprits behind that bill? It completely dilutes the impact of the protest.

Government should have negotiated a proper passage and provisioned for emergency services to pass through. Deal a heavy hand, receive a heavy hand. You only want to blame the bearded men, so carry on.

buck stops with the authorities!

what gives you the idea i was against protesting. it is everyone(mullahs included ) basic democratic right and i will never in my life oppose a legal peaceful protest.had it bean a legal one you wouldn't have seen me rising voice against it even if they held it for years .but it isn't neither peaceful(because the intent of rizwi is to cause as much trouble to locals as he can) nor a legal one.

 

[Max]

astonishing how instead of promoting the proper thought process you still are supporting this brain dead behavior and justifying a murder in the process.

Just stop provoking those "brain dead" people if you want support of balanced one or undecided people.

you cant close the eyes and pretend that we don't have any "brain dead" (religious people according to you) in our country and start attacking their space. Pakistan is one of the most religious society if not the most.

dont enter in their space, they will not enter in your liberal space.

in this particular issue and most incidents, Govt officials were the one who provoked them.

 

[Bratva]

The people who are equating Ill ud din with Mumtaz qadri are as ignorant as these mullahs are. Ill ud din murdered a person who openly blasphemed against Prophet Mohammad (PBUH) and called him. Search about his book to better understand.

Now the question is Where Salman taseer Openly blasphemed against Prophet Mohammad(PBUH) ?

He termed the law "Black Law" because the law is unislamic. Where is the Forgiveness in Blaspheme law ? Did Prophet Mohammad (PBUH) forgive or killed that old Lady in Meccah who used to harrase her and All the urdu or english books in Pakistani school are taught about this incident ? Did Prophet Mohammad (PBUH) asked his followers to kill Hazrat Umar (RA) or Abu Jahil or other enemies of Him ?

Did Prophet Mohammad (PBUH) allowed killing of one time offenders or the repeated offenders ?

Didnt Prophet Mohammad (PBUH) exiled a blasphemer from Madina on the request of Hazrat Usman RA ?

So how is the current Blashpheme law is Islamic when It is ignoring "Rehmat ul Almeen" forgiving act of isolated offenders ?

Only the ignorant sycophants of Islamic history and Ill ud din history will support Mumtaz qadri actions.

Just stop provoking those "brain dead" people if you want support of balanced one or undecided people.

you cant close the eyes and pretend that we don't have any "brain dead" (religious people according to you) in our country and start attacking their space. Pakistan is one of the most religious society if not the most.

dont enter in their space, they will not enter in your liberal space.

in this particular issue and most incidents, Govt officials were the one who provoked them.

How many religious persons know that Prophet Mohammad (PBUH) used to forgive the blasphemers. Hell I can give you the example of only half-a-dozen killed over blasphemy. Nearly more than 100 blasphemers were forgiven through out his life

And people get provoked and start disturbing the life of others ? What is Islamic about it ?

 

[Hell hound]

Just stop provoking those "brain dead" people if you want support of balanced one or undecided people.

you cant close the eyes and pretend that we don't have any "brain dead" (religious people according to you) in our country and start attacking their space. Pakistan is one of the most religious society if not the most.

dont enter in their space, they will not enter in your liberal space.

in this particular issue and most incidents, Govt officials were the one who provoked them.

first of all let be clear about the term brain dead it is not used for religious people but for those who can't think for them self
people like these

not people like these

 

[Verve]

what gives you the idea i was against protesting. it is everyone(mullahs included ) basic democratic right and i will never in my life oppose a legal peaceful protest.had it bean a legal one you wouldn't have seen me rising voice against it even if they held it for years .but it isn't neither peaceful(because the intent of rizwi is to cause as much trouble to locals as he can) nor a legal one.

You are painting it as illegal because the government says so. Protests against government actions and policies happen all over the world, and the defending party (gov) saying it is illegal makes it so? Wow! As I said, tell that to the French and see what they will liberally tell you to **** off!

Every protest in Paris (for e.g.) is for maximum impact to force the change in stance/policy of the government. Get real, your ideal is just that, an ideal, and disconnected from reality.

PTI dharna was 'illegal' too, who did you support then?

 

[Hell hound]

PTI dharna was 'illegal' too, who did you support then?

never said it was legal and read my post in other threads i said it what it was.

You are painting it as illegal because the government says so. Protests against government actions and policies happen all over the world, and the defending party (gov) saying it is illegal makes it so? Wow! As I said, tell that to the French and see what they will liberally tell you to **** off!

and thats the reason they get pepper sprayed or beat up in the process