Abandoning status as "Islamic Republic"

[Moonlight]

people here are ready to believe that earth is flat and sun revolves around it.app to phir isis kay nizam ki bat kar rahi hain

Hey,

I wanted to ask you about something we talked about few weeks back, but you weren't around.

Acha remember you told me about your opnion on Allah's forgiveness matlab shetan ko bhi maf kar de ga since His mercy is imaginable. Hain na?
Acha what do you think of these terrorists? Jo APS school Ke bachon Qatal Hain? (Just one exampl).

 

[M.AsfandYar]

Hey which case you are talking about? That legally makes you escape from? :o



Let me read the whole conversation of them or maybe you help me to explain in few sentence, what exactly they are arguing about?

Well read the last few pages...
Gist is that Zibago is taking Pakistans Laws as Islamic Laws and Blaming them For RD's escape, (went as far as saying Blood Money Law in ISlam is also a mistake indirectly or thats what i made out his arguments) well other is trying to explain that society is itself flawed not Islamic Laws) and so it goes on.

 

[Zibago]

seikh sahib we can cry all we want but ugly truth is that diyat and blasphemy laws are here to stay.
and mumtaz qadri will also go down as shaeed in our text books.

I feel like i am arguing with brick walls atleast someone understands my point of view no matter how you look at it this law is a draconian anti poor law

 

[Moonlight]

Again two rooms one has exit door the other doesnot from which room can you escape with ease?
Thats what this law is a law for people to do honour killing and get away,kill poor people and get away,kill their rivals and get away this loophole should not exist
No one should be allowed to pardon anyone else,s murder its wrong

I second it sheikh sahib.

But laws poor implementation is the main problem.
Misused as well.

 

[M.AsfandYar]

There are two rooms one has an emergency exit the othet doesnot
In which room incase of a fire you are more likely to get trapped in?
Ofcourse the one without the exit door our qasas and diyat laws are exactly that escape doors for the wealthy and influentials we had cases after cases of relatives pardoning the criminals and we react like its perfectly fine
We had high profile killers escape because of this law its as escape route if you have money and infpuence you can use this law to escape obviously in a country where 50% earn over 2$ a day its really easy to get away after paying blood money but does it make it right?

But You are alluding the Question. Are our QISAS AND DIYAT LAWS entirely Islamic Laws, deformed forms of Those Laws Brought down by Quran? You Repeated Blaming something not at Fault just by attaching Mullah with It.

 

[Zibago]

Well read the last few pages...
Gist is that Zibago is taking Pakistans Laws as Islamic Laws and Blaming them For RD's escape, (went as far as saying Blood Money Law in ISlam is also a mistake indirectly or thats what i made out his arguments) well other is trying to explain that society is itself flawed not Islamic Laws) and so it goes on.

He paid blood money to the families of the deceased thats why they went in hiding remember?
He did a completely unjust thing to escape which is part of our law he used our law against us wjat he did is completely legal under Pakistani law he had a path to escape thats what i am against that path should be eliminated so no matter who the person is he should not have any legal escape route

 

[M.AsfandYar]

I second it sheikh sahib.

But laws poor implementation is the main problem.
Misused as well.

These laws are Not Islamic to the Book. Our Laws have LoopHoles. You Cant Call a law an Islamic If u leave some conditions or add a few.

He paid blood money to the families of the deceased thats why they went in hiding remember?
He did a completely unjust thing to escape which is part of our law he used our law against us wjat he did is completely legal under Pakistani law he had a path to escape thats what i am against that path should be eliminated so no matter who the person is he should not have any legal escape route

Again Pakistans fault Not Islams.

 

[Hell hound]

Hey,

I wanted to ask you about something we talked about few weeks back, but you weren't around.

Acha remember you told me about your opnion on Allah's forgiveness matlab shetan ko bhi maf kar de ga since His mercy is imaginable. Hain na?
Acha what do you think of these terrorists? Jo APS school Ke bachon Qatal Hain? (Just one exampl).

agar shetan maaf ho sakta hay to phir koi bhi apni saza kay bad maaf ho sakta hay.
baqi baat profile pay kertay hain yahan thread derail ho jaye ga or wasey bhi abhi yahan mahool bohat gram hay

 

[Moonlight]

agar shetan maaf ho sakta hay to phir koi bhi apni saza kay bad maaf ho sakta hay.
baqi baat profile pay kertay hain yahan thread derail ho jaye ga or wasey bhi abhi yahan mahool bohat gram hay

Sure thing.

 

[]_. 0 ]< ! 3*]

i dont understand why people want secular system. how they think that rules made by human are more efficient then rules defined by religion.
As far as shariah is concerned it give us complete code of life best rules based on justice in every aspect of life. One more thing people label "Islamic Terrorist" and they forget what they have did to heroshima, nagasaki and what they are doing until now in different parts of world.
if we talk about implementing shariah then people say oh ISIS oh Taliban never talk about real shariah. if muslim kill any body he will be regarded as islamic terrorist and if a guy from other religion kill any body he will be regarded as personal act.

 

[Moonlight]

These laws are Not Islamic to the Book. Our Laws have LoopHoles. You Cant Call a law an Islamic If u leave some conditions or add a few.


Again Pakistans fault Not Islams.

Han Pakistan isn't entirely Islamic country. So blame to Islam is not something sane.

 

[Zibago]

These laws are Not Islamic to the Book. Our Laws have LoopHoles. You Cant Call a law an Islamic If u leave some conditions or add a few.


Again Pakistans fault Not Islams.

Even if you change i.t you will still have the same pay wadey dollar to the poor family .and dont get punished condition right?
Three countries that have this law and its abused heavily by the wealthy in all those three countries maybe just maybe the issue is with the law itself

 

[Hell hound]

These laws are Not Islamic to the Book. Our Laws have LoopHoles. You Cant Call a law an Islamic If u leave some conditions or add a few.


Again Pakistans fault Not Islams.

so this should be used as base for abolishing the diyat law as it is not Islamic anymore.

 

[Zibago]

agar shetan maaf ho sakta hay to phir koi bhi apni saza kay bad maaf ho sakta hay.
baqi baat profile pay kertay hain yahan thread derail ho jaye ga or wasey bhi abhi yahan mahool bohat gram hay

Chaskey layein ala meesna jiya na howey ta

 

[M.AsfandYar]

Well Here is the Thing , This Law Is Applicable in Cases Of unintentional Murders. Which Is completely Justifiable. Which one first needs to prove that it was infact Unintentional. See The Difference.

Even if you change i.t you will still have the same pay wadey dollar to the poor family .and dont get punished condition right?
Three countries that have this law and its abused heavily by the wealthy in all those three countries maybe just maybe the issue is with the law itself

so this should be used as base for abolishing the diyat law as it is not Islamic anymore.

No This should be Used to Make It right.