Abandoning status as "Islamic Republic"

[Kompromat]

Islamic Republic is not problem but we seriously need to pay attention, problem is education, weak government, unregistered madrassas, and rich-poor gaps.

Thank you. You just stated a fact that can't be discussed because our libtards don't get that self hating kick out of it. Not to forget that most of them are tax defaulters

 

[Ussaid]

I don't know about stoning but you certainly need a clinical psychologist.

You are doing the exact same thing you condemned earlier. Because I don't agree with you I am a nut job.

 

[Kompromat]

Exactly ! We need economic development, schools and everybody to have stake in prosperity of our country. We need social peace and foolish ideas of dropping Islamic from our name will only create more problems.

Those who want to turn Pakistan into a secular state should first start by paying their taxes. None of these empty balloons have NBNs.

 

[Ussaid]

P.S Remind me again when did I said that abandoning Islamic Republic would fix everything? I only said we would be following what Jinnah actually wanted

 

[Kompromat]

You are doing the exact same thing you condemned earlier. Because I don't agree with you I am a nut job.

Nope, you are nut job because you want to be stoned.

 

[Pulsar]

Pakistan was made for Muslims 'to live in peace without Hindu domination'. So it is logical that it should be an Islamic Republic. If it was to be secular, then why separate from India?

 

[ArsalanKhan21]

It is a strong factor, as it is a metaphor of molvi's and maulana's influence on the nation.

No Maulvi or Maulana has became Prime Minister and/or President of Pakistan. But they are guilty of all the things that are bad in our country. Military ruled Pakistan for decades nobody blames them. Socialist People party ruled for another decade nobody blames them. Ayub, Bhutto, Zia, Musharraf, Zardari and Sharif were all Maulvis and Maulanas ?

 

[Kompromat]

P.S Remind me again when did I said that abandoning Islamic Republic would fix everything? I only said we would be following what Jinnah actually wanted

Jinnah didn't want Pakistan to turn into a 'theocracy'. Pakistan by no means is a 'theocracy'. You people are as much guilty of distorting Jinnah as the Islamofascists are.

 

[VelocuR]

Please remember, Rome was NOT built in a day, it will take time to process and struggles, only depending on 200 million population, we should work hard to do something for our beloved country and eliminate terrorisms, I think we have woken up already.

Nothing to do with fancy title like Islamic Republic or anything.

 

[Ussaid]

Pakistan was made for Muslims 'to live in peace without Hindu domination'. So it is logical that it should be an Islamic Republic. If it was to be secular, then why separate from India?

How is it logical? One group of religion living without domination by another group of religion is called secularism.

Please remember, Rome was NOT built in a day, it will take time to process and struggles, only depending on 200 million population, we should work hard to do something for our beloved country and eliminate terrorisms, I think we have woken up already.

Nothing to do with fancy title like Islamic Republic or anything.

Did I said that revoking Islamic Republic from the name would turn the country into a welfare state? No. But removing it would mean a secular state, something that a forefathers visioned before Zia came along.

No Maulvi or Maulana has became Prime Minister and/or President of Pakistan. But they are guilty of all the things that are bad in our country. Military ruled Pakistan for decades nobody blames them. Socialist People party ruled for another decade nobody blames them. Ayub, Bhutto, Zia, Musharraf, Zardari and Sharif were all Maulvis and Maulanas ?

But the Maulvis and Maulanas shape the society. I am talking about the society, NOT the state's economical condition.

Jinnah didn't want Pakistan to turn into a 'theocracy'. Pakistan by no means is a 'theocracy'. You people are as much guilty of distorting Jinnah as the Islamofascists are.

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There is nothing between a theocracy and a secular state. It's either this or that, and Pakistan is certainly not secular

 

[Kompromat]

Please remember, Rome was NOT built in a day, it will take time to process and struggles, only depending on 200 million population, we should work hard to do something for our beloved country and eliminate terrorisms, I think we have woken up already.

Nothing to do with fancy title like Islamic Republic or anything.

You are the first one to receive two back to back +ve ratings from me in one thread.

There is nothing between a theocracy and a secular state. It's either this or that, and Pakistan is certainly not secular

Because it wasn't supposed to be...Just like it wasn't supposed to be a theocracy.

 

[Ussaid]

You are the first one to receive two back to back +ve ratings from me in one thread.



Because it wasn't supposed to be...Just like it wasn't supposed to be a theocracy.

He completely missed the point. I didn't said economic condition would improve.

Then exactly what was it suppose to be then?

 

[Kompromat]

Then exactly what was it suppose to be then?

A democratic, Islamic, Welfare State.

 

[Ussaid]

A democratic, Islamic, Welfare State.

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Islam doesn't recognize democracy. And really, "Islamic" basically means a form of theocracy

 

[ashok321]

World's richest state in terms of Per Capita Income is Qatar and is very much a religious state. States like UAE, KSA, Brunei have state religions are not only growing and prospering but competing with the rest of the world on HDI index rather favorably. Israel has the highest PhD rate per capita in the world and is a Jewish state. Germany and UK too have no strict segregation laws and are doing just fine. The argument that secularism brings prosperity is simply bogus.

Prosperity is a product of good governance, rule of law, availability of justice, fiscal discipline, education and ability to defend the country. I can list a number of secular states which have totally failed or even worse collapsed, one of them was USSR.

You are conveniently giving the examples of few oil rich countries, while in the process, willfully neglecting the fact that most of the Muslim countries (almost 80%) are poor. In fact, if you checked the failed countries list, most are Muslims.

On the USSR - You are saying it was a secular state?


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State promotion of atheism as a public norm first came to prominence in Revolutionary France (1789-1799). Revolutionary Mexico followed similar policies from 1917, as did Marxist–Leninist states. The RSFSR (1917–1991) and the Soviet Union (1922–1991) had a long history of state atheism, whereby those seeking social success generally had to profess atheism and to stay away from houses of worship; this trend became especially militant during the middle Stalinist era from 1929 to 1939. The Soviet Union attempted to suppress public religious expression over wide areas of its influence, including places such as central Asia.}}}}}}}}}}