A Vision of a New Combined Arms Philosophy & Doctrine

[Armchair]

@PanzerKiel Okay so I am taking limited to mean we won't capture New Delhi. I don't think India will implode any more than Myanmar did after the Rohingya genocide. However, their economy will stall while ours will rise in the next 5 years.

It is the year 2025, and as tensions rise, there is an attack by Kashmiri freedom fighters, who, facing genocide attack an Indian camp killing over 50 Indian soldiers. India blames Pakistan and, waiting for this to launch its assault, begins airstrikes on Pakistani targets.

As the air war heats up with Rafale fighters facing of F-16s and JF-17s, the Indian military suddenly attacks Azad Kashmir. India has been quietly moving its military into position for the previous month. Pakistan, sensing something afoot, has also moved its military forward. The position of forces is shown below:

X stands for newly raised volunteer / conscript Pakistani brigades
XX for divisions of the same.
The forces distribution indicates that these infantry divisions are being used as backups to the main Pakistani military. Positions in Quetta and KPK allow Pakistani military to move its regular forces to the western frontier. Southern positions allow the Pakistani Marines to focus on offensive operations.

There is however another force at play. The Chinese military has mobilized along the Indian border and is putting pressure on these fronts with cross border fire forcing the Indian Army to allocate some of their forces to counter China.

Images not going through. Let me try again

PS: Not using NATO symbology as they just ruin the map with giant squares and all.

 

[PanzerKiel]

@PanzerKiel Okay so I am taking limited to mean we won't capture New Delhi. I don't think India will implode any more than Myanmar did after the Rohingya genocide. However, their economy will stall while ours will rise in the next 5 years.

It is the year 2025, and as tensions rise, there is an attack by Kashmiri freedom fighters, who, facing genocide attack an Indian camp killing over 50 Indian soldiers. India blames Pakistan and, waiting for this to launch its assault, begins airstrikes on Pakistani targets.

As the air war heats up with Rafale fighters facing of F-16s and JF-17s, the Indian military suddenly attacks Azad Kashmir. India has been quietly moving its military into position for the previous month. Pakistan, sensing something afoot, has also moved its military forward. The position of forces is shown below:

X stands for newly raised volunteer / conscript Pakistani brigades
XX for divisions of the same.
The forces distribution indicates that these infantry divisions are being used as backups to the main Pakistani military. Positions in Quetta and KPK allow Pakistani military to move its regular forces to the western frontier. Southern positions allow the Pakistani Marines to focus on offensive operations.

There is however another force at play. The Chinese military has mobilized along the Indian border and is putting pressure on these fronts with cross border fire forcing the Indian Army to allocate some of their forces to counter China.

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You may like to include the 17 Mountain Strike Corps as well. Plus the Army reserves which include 54 Div,6 Mountain Div and 50 Para Brigade. There are six divisions of Eastern Command as well which are available for employment against us after a specific time.

Try taking a count of existing divisions of both armies having the potential to be employed along our eastern border.

Moreover, both side agree that Strategic and operational surprise cannot be achieved in suub-continent due to multiple reasons. Therefore any large scale move by either side will be picked up in time.

@PanzerKiel Okay so I am taking limited to mean we won't capture New Delhi. I don't think India will implode any more than Myanmar did after the Rohingya genocide. However, their economy will stall while ours will rise in the next 5 years.

It is the year 2025, and as tensions rise, there is an attack by Kashmiri freedom fighters, who, facing genocide attack an Indian camp killing over 50 Indian soldiers. India blames Pakistan and, waiting for this to launch its assault, begins airstrikes on Pakistani targets.

As the air war heats up with Rafale fighters facing of F-16s and JF-17s, the Indian military suddenly attacks Azad Kashmir. India has been quietly moving its military into position for the previous month. Pakistan, sensing something afoot, has also moved its military forward. The position of forces is shown below:

X stands for newly raised volunteer / conscript Pakistani brigades
XX for divisions of the same.
The forces distribution indicates that these infantry divisions are being used as backups to the main Pakistani military. Positions in Quetta and KPK allow Pakistani military to move its regular forces to the western frontier. Southern positions allow the Pakistani Marines to focus on offensive operations.

There is however another force at play. The Chinese military has mobilized along the Indian border and is putting pressure on these fronts with cross border fire forcing the Indian Army to allocate some of their forces to counter China.

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PS: Not using NATO symbology as they just ruin the map with giant squares and all.

More over, just to give you a clear perspective for future. Indian Army's main objectives are all located South of Suleimanke.

Lets see what comes to your mind now.

 

[Genghis khan1]

Yap, Think outside box. Babur defeated well equip and 10x larger enemy with his Outside the box thinking and tools.

some time all you needs a lever and a small rock to flip a larger Rock.

 

[Cuirassier]

@PanzerKiel do you feel that the Pak Mil's appreciation of chances of high-intensity short-term conflict with the neighbour, after the Feb 2019 skirmishes, has increased?

 

[Cuirassier]

Disagree with the Soviet-styled increase in manpower to match the adversary. We're already inducting more people per capita in the forces than they are, hence can't guarantee quality of further 'conscripts'.

 

[Armchair]

As the battle intensifies in Azad Kashmir, Kashmiris in Occupied Kashmir rise up and begin direct attacks on the Indian military supplies. At the same time, the battle hardened Pakistani forces, aided by favorable mountainous terrain, grind the Indians to a halt.

Suddenly, Pakistan attacks across the international border.

Between Multan and Khairpur, Pakistan launches an all out blitzkreig in the axis towards Jodhpur. 1st Armored division along with other elements head towards Bikaner.

Indian XXI Corps meets the PA assault on the Jodhpur axis, while Indian I Corps meets PA in Bikaner. Indian XII corps from Ahmedabad is called to support the Jodhpur axis but soon reports begin to pour in that Pakistan has launched an additional attack on the Bhuj salient.

Infiltrating from the sea and air, and along the coast, Pak Marines are joined on their assault on Bhuj by elements fro V Corps via Karoonjhar Mountains. An airborne assault closes the deal.

@Signalian borrowed your idea and map of karunjhar

You may like to include the 17 Mountain Strike Corps as well. Plus the Army reserves which include 54 Div,6 Mountain Div and 50 Para Brigade. There are six divisions of Eastern Command as well which are available for employment against us after a specific time.

Okay thanks for the information, I'm learning here. I'll try to include them. I think the 6 divisions from the Eastern Command will be tied down by the Chinese. As will a portion of XIV Corps in Leh.

 

[PanzerKiel]

As the battle intensifies in Azad Kashmir, Kashmiris in Occupied Kashmir rise up and begin direct attacks on the Indian military supplies. At the same time, the battle hardened Pakistani forces, aided by favorable mountainous terrain, grind the Indians to a halt.

Suddenly, Pakistan attacks across the international border.

Between Multan and Khairpur, Pakistan launches an all out blitzkreig in the axis towards Jodhpur. 1st Armored division along with other elements head towards Bikaner.

Indian XXI Corps meets the PA assault on the Jodhpur axis, while Indian I Corps meets PA in Bikaner. Indian XII corps from Ahmedabad is called to support the Jodhpur axis but soon reports begin to pour in that Pakistan has launched an additional attack on the Bhuj salient.

Infiltrating from the sea and air, and along the coast, Pak Marines are joined on their assault on Bhuj by elements fro V Corps via Karoonjhar Mountains. An airborne assault closes the deal.

@Signalian borrowed your idea and map of karunjhar



Okay thanks for the information, I'm learning here. I'll try to include them. I think the 6 divisions from the Eastern Command will be tied down by the Chinese. As will a portion of XIV Corps in Leh.

One by one... I'll try to act as an observer,because i cant divulge real plans here, but i'll agitate your mind enough to keep you on the right track.

-For Pakistan, you choose the wrong objectives, do objectives' analysis (attainability, retainability, sustainability).

-Pakistan would never cross the international border first and be labelled as the aggressor. Mind you, crossing LOC and crossing international are two different things, different implications.

- Some guidance about use of Strike Corps (both sides), remember steel against steel is the least preferred option. You never bang your head with the wall. You may break the wall but the head will be of no further use either. Strike Corps always get launched in some vacuum in the defences, which may arise due to a number of actions happening elsewhere. Lets see how you can create and exploit those gaps of the enemy while not letting him to exploit yours. Moreover, Strike Corps are not one-time use items. An intelligent commander will launch them with a view that, while attaining their objectives, they are able to hand over the captured area to another formation, get pulled out, and remain viable for employment AGAIN.

- Indians, at present, possess atleast two independent amphibious bdes. Your coastal flank (700 km) is undefended.

- i dont know why you used 33 Div which is at Quetta. Other favorable options are available.

Moreover, Nangarparker is the least preferred option as a launch pad. Its a salient, already surrounded by the enemy from three sides, you shouldnt be assembling any force there.

..and overall, do keep an answer ready with you...apart from capturing marshy area of Rann, what sensitive space are you capturing? (militarily, economically, national lvl etc?

@PanzerKiel do you feel that the Pak Mil's appreciation of chances of high-intensity short-term conflict with the neighbour, after the Feb 2019 skirmishes, has increased?

Definitely.

 

[Genghis khan1]

As the battle intensifies in Azad Kashmir, Kashmiris in Occupied Kashmir rise up and begin direct attacks on the Indian military supplies. At the same time, the battle hardened Pakistani forces, aided by favorable mountainous terrain, grind the Indians to a halt.

Suddenly, Pakistan attacks across the international border.

Between Multan and Khairpur, Pakistan launches an all out blitzkreig in the axis towards Jodhpur. 1st Armored division along with other elements head towards Bikaner.

Indian XXI Corps meets the PA assault on the Jodhpur axis, while Indian I Corps meets PA in Bikaner. Indian XII corps from Ahmedabad is called to support the Jodhpur axis but soon reports begin to pour in that Pakistan has launched an additional attack on the Bhuj salient.

Infiltrating from the sea and air, and along the coast, Pak Marines are joined on their assault on Bhuj by elements fro V Corps via Karoonjhar Mountains. An airborne assault closes the deal.

@Signalian borrowed your idea and map of karunjhar



Okay thanks for the information, I'm learning here. I'll try to include them. I think the 6 divisions from the Eastern Command will be tied down by the Chinese. As will a portion of XIV Corps in Leh.

Due to numerical disadvantage very large land mass and old equipment, I would not count on Maneuver tactics alone. Half of PA sh!t will broke down just traveling across 1000 km and I do Not see any use of limited war. Maneuver might win You limited battle in certain sectors but unless or until Their is a complete air superiority, every PA formation is at the mercy of enemy air attack and vice versa.

 

[PanzerKiel]

Okay thanks for the information, I'm learning here. I'll try to include them. I think the 6 divisions from the Eastern Command will be tied down by the Chinese. As will a portion of XIV Corps in Leh.

These 6 Division are apart from the ones which will be tied. Lets see your responses now.

 

[Armchair]

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One by one... I'll try to act as an observer,because i cant divulge real plans here, but i'll agitate your mind enough to keep you on the right track.

-For Pakistan, you choose the wrong objectives, do objectives' analysis (attainability, retainability, sustainability).

-Pakistan would never cross the international border first and be labelled as the aggressor. Mind you, crossing LOC and crossing international are two different things, different implications.

- Some guidance about use of Strike Corps (both sides), remember steel against steel is the least preferred option. You never bang your head with the wall. You may break the wall but the head will be of no further use either. Strike Corps always get launched in some vacuum in the defences, which may arise due to a number of actions happening elsewhere. Lets see how you can create and exploit those gaps of the enemy while not letting him to exploit yours. Moreover, Strike Corps are not one-time use items. An intelligent commander will launch them with a view that, while attaining their objectives, they are able to hand over the captured area to another formation, get pulled out, and remain viable for employment AGAIN.

- Indians, at present, possess atleast two independent amphibious bdes. Your coastal flank (700 km) is undefended.

- i dont know why you used 33 Div which is at Quetta. Other favorable options are available.

Moreover, Nangarparker is the least preferred option as a launch pad. Its a salient, already surrounded by the enemy from three sides, you shouldnt be assembling any force there.

I'm assuming Pak becomes brave enough to cross the International border - to gain enough territory to trade with Kashmir. But the real plan of the military is to decimate the Indian military and take over a good amount of Indian territory.

We have just taken over Bhuj and neutralized any possibility of an Indian amphibious landing, as the Indians cannot lose Bhuj - as it opens up some major southern cities to artillery and rocket fire including Mumbai and neutralizes naval and air bases.

So now, instead of trying to land in Pak territory they are going to attempt to retake Bhuj but it is not so easy as Pak has reinforced the initial assault with numbers and secured the area. Indian XII Corps is still attempting to do so but artillery fire from the Karoonjar mountains has allowed the PA to command the engagements.

As Pak soldiers get entrenched, Indian amphibious assaults are attempted but are repulsed with major loses. Meanwhile, further north, the map is beginning to look like this:

These 6 Division are apart from the ones which will be tied. Lets see your responses now.

Okay I will try my best : )

 

[PanzerKiel]

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I'm assuming Pak becomes brave enough to cross the International border - to gain enough territory to trade with Kashmir. But the real plan of the military is to decimate the Indian military and take over a good amount of Indian territory.

We have just taken over Bhuj and neutralized any possibility of an Indian amphibious landing, as the Indians cannot lose Bhuj - as it opens up some major southern cities to artillery and rocket fire including Mumbai and neutralizes naval and air bases.

So now, instead of trying to land in Pak territory they are going to attempt to retake Bhuj but it is not so easy as Pak has reinforced the initial assault with numbers and secured the area. Indian XII Corps is still attempting to do so but artillery fire from the Karoonjar mountains has allowed the PA to command the engagements.

As Pak soldiers get entrenched, Indian amphibious assaults are attempted but are repulsed with major loses. Meanwhile, further north, the map is beginning to look like this:
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Okay I will try my best : )

- Real plan of our military is NOT to decimate indian military and capture large spaces. Keep this in mind, dont underestimate your adversary. He is many times stronger than you militarily and economically. Till now you have done nothing to neutralise their massive superiority. Merely saying that their attack will be defeated by us is just a statement. You wont be able to qualify it.

-Let me assure you, Bhuj doesnt figure out, in neither country's planning. I suggest you visit the area, see the marshes, desolate area.

- Whats your idea, how much artillery can you deploy inside Karoonjar salient (real name is Nangarparker Salient)?

- Our sandy beaches, turtles and crabs cannot defeat the amphibous brigades by themselves.

_- Your map is ....optimistic.

 

[Armchair]

XVII Mountain division of the Indian Army has been called in to reinforce XIV, XV and XVI Corps, and to end the stalemate. Their objective is to cut the highway north of Mansera and close down supply routes to the north, thus attaining the Indian objective of taking back a portion of Kashmir.

Despite the significantly larger number of Indian forces, the mountain terrain and well dug in artillery fire helps Pakistan to not give ground to the assaulting XVII troops.

 

[PanzerKiel]

XVII Mountain division of the Indian Army has been called in to reinforce XIV, XV and XVI Corps, and to end the stalemate. Their objective is to cut the highway north of Mansera and close down supply routes to the north, thus attaining the Indian objective of taking back a portion of Kashmir.

Despite the significantly larger number of Indian forces, the mountain terrain and well dug in artillery fire helps Pakistan to not give ground to the assaulting XVII troops.

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I think you have underplayed 17 Corps. Moreover, choice of objective isnt good.

 

[Armchair]

- Real plan of our military is NOT to decimate indian military and capture large spaces. Keep this in mind, dont underestimate your adversary. He is many times stronger than you militarily and economically. Till now you have done nothing to neutralise their massive superiority. Merely saying that their attack will be defeated by us is just a statement. You wont be able to qualify it.

-Let me assure you, Bhuj doesnt figure out, in neither country's planning. I suggest you visit the area, see the marshes, desolate area.

- Whats your idea, how much artillery can you deploy inside Karoonjar salient (real name is Nangarparker Salient)?

- Our sandy beaches, turtles and crabs cannot defeat the amphibous brigades by themselves.

_- Your map is ....optimistic.

I will use Karunjhar as a jumpspot and troops will travel not only through the marshes but over them using hovercrafts, airborne assault and marine assault from the sea.

Close Air Support aircraft such as outlined by me here will be used by all the forces indicated including those in karunjhar mountains. Parachute drops.

Relatively minor forces from multiple directions and via multiple means will assault Bhuj thus escaping early detection. Once the assault is underway I will reinforce those positions with larger forces from Karachi, Badin, Karunjhar and V Corps as deployed above.

Meanwhile the Pak coast is guarded two brigades of conscripts and an additional division just north of Badin.

I think you have underplayed 17 Corps. Moreover, choice of objective isnt good.

Okay let me retry that. 17 corps will partially relief embattled XIV Corps which is facing multiple axis as it has to deal with the Chinese threat in the Leh axis while holding off battle hardened Northern Light Infantry. The rest of 17th corps assaults north of Mansera while a portion is kept to quell uprising in Srinagar.

 

[Mentee]

Does India dictate our response?