A Very Personal Account of Pakistan's Downfall Under Zia ul Haq--the Proto Taliban President

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

Yes, let's embrace the Trumps, the Modis, the Netanyahus, the Zia ul Haqs of this world instead of J. Arderns or J. trudeaus of this world.



My apologies. Got carried away. I have no right to call anyone extremist.

My reference is for the Muslim countries only.....

By the by, Indira/Mujib/Bhutto etc. were on the leftist platform...

 

[B.K.N]

General Zia ul Haq did only two mistakes

1. He didn't killed entire PPP leadership
2. Introducing ganja lohar in politics

 

[gangsta_rap]

GDP growth during military dictatorships has to do with incoming American aid. it happened in the 1960s, 1980s and 2000s

Thanks for proving my point. Our standing internationally was better during martial law as well.

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

Right now, Pakistani society is much more conservative than most politicians.

Kashmir issue is more dear to everyday Pakistanis than our political class.

Most of the society also has a positive opinion of Afghan Taliban compared to many elite and liberals.

The normalization of society will be much more conservative and religious than now.

Imran Khan also has been becoming much more religiously minded after his marriage and it is only helping his popularity.

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

Right now, Pakistani society is much more conservative than most politicians.

Kashmir issue is more dear to everyday Pakistanis than our political class.

Most of the society also has a positive opinion of Afghan Taliban compared to many elite and liberals.

The normalization of society will be much more conservative and religious than now.

Imran Khan also has been becoming much more religiously minded after his marriage and it is only helping his popularity.

As per a Hadis-I Sherif, as you are so will you be ruled. This is the ultimate democracy....

 

[Talwar e Pakistan]

Zia Ul Haq is the most misunderstood leader of Pakistan, most likely because of the decades of PPP propaganda that followed his death.

He was a man that steered us through one of our most toughest chapters in history as we faced off against two goliaths and he performed exceptionally well; not only containing the threat but bringing the fight to them as well as sky-rocketing our geopolitical outreach/influence and our economic growth bringing them to heights that have still never been rivaled in Pakistani history.

Liberals here see pictures of old pictures of women in skirts, people drinking in night clubs, and other imported degeneracy and see it as some sort of representation of progress and prosperity (even though they made up 0.0001% of the population) before Zia's evil Islam tore it all down. Zia has been used as a scape-goat for far too long.

 

[gangsta_rap]

@Meengla lol

 

[Meengla]

Firstly, please don't tag me or quote me unless really needed. This thread was started by me and I am not running away from it. I will deliberate and then respond. As someone who has witnessed Pakistan's transformation from the 1971 war against India, especially the changes under Zia, I think I have something to contribute, even if I may appear wrong to you. We will just agree to disagree then.

Secondly, don't make 'liberal' as a curse word. As I often say, sometimes Pakistan's Dawn site gets on even my nerves, but if this world is going to be a better place then it will not be because of the shenanigans of the Likudnicks or Trumpeters or Modi's Baghts.

Thirdly, as I said, it is a 'very personal' account. Nazia--may her soul rest is peace--is just an example with videos #2 and #3 showing how, within a space of just two years, Pakistan started to witness a forced transformation which was not needed in the first place.

I will be back when I am ready to give a rebuttal!

 

[VCheng]

Firstly, please don't tag me or quote me unless really needed. This thread was started by me and I am not running away from it. I will deliberate and then respond. As someone who has witnessed Pakistan's transformation from the 1971 war against India, especially the changes under Zia, I think I have something to contribute, even if I may appear wrong to you. We will just agree to disagree then.

Secondly, don't make 'liberal' as a curse word. As I often say, sometimes Pakistan's Dawn site gets on even my nerves, but if this world is going to be a better place then it will not be because of the shenanigans of the Likudnicks or Trumpeters or Modi's Baghts.

Thirdly, as I said, it is a 'very personal' account. Nazia--may her soul rest is peace--is just an example with videos #2 and #3 showing how, within a space of just two years, Pakistan started to witness a forced transformation which was not needed in the first place.

I will be back when I am ready to give a rebuttal!

As you deliberate, I would love to hear your thoughts on how to reverse the damage already done. After all, we are going into the future, and never the past. You are correct in reminding us how we got where we are today, but where we go next is the important thing up to all of us.

 

[gangsta_rap]

I will be back when I am ready to give a rebuttal!

We are the future now, old man. We will finish what Zia started.

 

[KeyBORED Warrior]

Interesting thread. I am 30yo currently and i am still finding my feet when it comes to lets say 'ideology'. When i was a young boy I used to think Zia was the best thing to have ever happened to Pakistan, then when i matured a bit, i started to question my thought process and concluded that perhaps Zia was a curse rather than a blessing. See the radical transition in my thought process? Now, after going through all the comments on this thread i am again having second thoughts, which tells me i am still a confused man. I have new found respect for Zia for what he did and why so but at the same time the blunders he made not less the Afghan refugee crisis is something we're still paying for to this day. I have noticed something, Pakistani middle aged men especially those who have lived the better part of their lives in the US/West tend to be liberal (more than the western liberals themselves) on the contrary, men who have lived in Pak and or the middle east tend to be 'relugious' more so than the average people. Perhaps Zia was the reaction to the liberal era that preceded him much in the same way that Mush was the reaction to the conservative era that preceded him. Imran Khan seems to be a fusion of both when it comes to mindset. We'll keep running in circles i guess but i do feel we're more 'sensitive' and 'woke' than ever before in our histroy thanks to history and the mass info transfer due to social media. I might be wrong but thats just my two cents.

 

[Hamza913]

Zia should have brought in Arabic and thrown out all the Urdu books just to really piss you liberals off. It would have been a grand spectacle.

 

[B.K.N]

Zia should have brought in Arabic and thrown out all the Urdu books just to really piss you liberals off. It would have been a grand spectacle.

Arabic was taught to us for 3 years from class 6 to 8 but I don't know even a single word of Arabic

 

[SQ8]

Cannot agree more. Zai ul Haq was the nail in the coffin for tolerance

 

[nahtanbob]

Thanks for proving my point. Our standing internationally was better during martial law as well.

it is more like USA was interested in something with respect to Afghanistan