A political solution for Kashmir and lasting peace for India and Pakistan

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

In many Pakistani dramas, it's still shown actively.

Pakistani dramey, lol. Please don't get me started.

Which has been fulfilled. Hind was Sindh to the old. Ghaza-e-Hind has already taken place when most of Indus Valley and all of Sindh fell to Arab invaders like Bin Qasim.

But I expect any day these dumb mullahs to declare Ghazawa Maghreb-Hind. Or West India to me and you. Jamaicans you been warned !

According to Sahih Ahadith, it will happen immediately before Al Mahdi times. We are still away from it.

@TheGreatMaratha Is a liar. No Pakistani is talking about Ghazwa e Hind or calling for it. You cannot call for something which exists in the future, and esp Islamic idea of prophecy is different than Christians, we believe it happens regardless of what we do.

It is just a fact which will come. Similar to Prophet Muhammad saws prophecy of conquest of Istanbul and Persia.

 

[MayaBazar]

Inter-caste marriage occurs in India but this is still a taboo. Less then 5% of marriages in India are Inter-caste. Most likely in individuals that are secular and not too devote.

Most of Hindus are not devote.
Hinduism is not an organized religion.
Hindus are not mandated and do not visit temples regularly.
Most Hindus visit temples only during festivals or if the Temple has original significance.
Many Hindus do not visit temples for years or even in their entire life span.

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

Delusional. They ignore that 'Hind' in historical times mean't Sind. which was conquered by Arabs. So Ghaza Hind has already been achieved. But if they want other iterations of Hind like -

• present day India
• West Indians
• Indiana [US state]
  
• etc

They can go for it. No cure for delusions ....

According to Sahih Ahadith of Rasoolullah saws, he referred to Sindh and Hind separately.

"Islam will reach Sindh wa Al-Hind."

Arabs of 7th century saw Sindh and Hind as two totally different civilizations. So did others like Persians, etc.

 

[Naofumi]

According to Sahih Ahadith of Rasoolullah saws, he referred to Sindh and Hind separately.

"Islam will reach Sindh wa Al-Hind."

Arabs of 7th century saw Sindh and Hind as two totally different civilizations. So did others like Persians, etc.

So, Hind is Punjab (Indus)?

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

And you left us to our fates in 1947, why are you getting worried now?

I read your post, and this really touched me.

Unfortunately we could not get the Hyderbad, UP state (Usmanistan, Mughalistan) which we wanted. It was because of the tactical maneuvers of Nehru, Gandhi, Patel, and other Hindu leaders who claimed to speak for Muslims. Unfortunately the great Abul Kalam Azad was also swept up in their propaganda, he realized his mistake too late when he was sidelined himself after independence. If he and other leaders had struggled for a separate state for Indian Muslims, you would be independent now. JUH also had a net negative effect on Indian Muslims' future. Today they are sucking up to Modi, I don't blame Indian Muslims from distancing themselves from these snake 'ulema.'

Interestingly enough, Ch. Rehmat Ali even proposed an independent Bangistan for Bengali Muslims. This was rejected by ML of Bengal and Calcutta. That would have solved many problems which came to a head in 1971.

Muslims of the subcontinent represent three distinct nations. That is based on our racial heritage and historic reasons. I am a firm believer in this. Ch. Rehmat Ali saw it in the beginning.

Furthermore, India's Hindus represent multiple nations as well, based primarily on language differences and religious ideation.

So, Hind is Punjab (Indus)?

No.

Sindh is the Indus valley based civilization which had more commonality with Arabs, Persians, and Turks. Mostly it was joined with Afghanistan and Eastern Iran throughout history.

Hind is the Ganges, Padma Valley based civilization which were mainly converts from Hinduism and various native Indian empires.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

I agree all those are just dreams. Asoka, Cyrus and Tamerlane.

Progressive politics in Pakistan ensure that Pakistan is ever ready to abide by UN resolutions and calls for peaceful solution to territorial problems.

Kashmir is the only unfinished business of the independence movements both in India and Pakistan from the colonial Raj.

For the state of Pakistan, her geographical needs and requirements, Kashmir is the only cause of concern. India does not offer us anything and if there is need for expansion for resources, we would look west and not east.

As an aside, you do so much better when you’re not trying to deliberately torment people and actually focus on composing a proper argument.

Until Pakistan stops believing in the Ghazawa-e-Hind thing

A majority of Pakistanis don’t believe in Ghazwa-e-Hind - it’s the fringe element, which is also an example of how Pakistani politics and society, despite the overt presence of religion in the constitution and religiosity in society, is in many ways more progressive than India, despite India’s ‘secular’ constitution.

The fringe in Pakistan has remained the fringe, whereas India has put her fringe front and center and in power to run the country.

The Indian National anthem was penned down in 1911 by the great poet, philosopher, artist Rabindranath Tagore (Incidentally, he is the only person who has written the national anthem of 2 countries, India and Bangladesh). We loved it and didn't bother to change the wordings.

Interesting, but do you not see or simply do not care how offensive your national anthem could be to another country whose territory is mentioned in it?

Substitute the words with something else.

Squeeze in Haryana instead of Sindh or some other state.

 

[BATMAN]

Indians should have faith in Imran Khan.

Most of Hindus are not devote.
Hinduism is not an organized religion.
Hindus are not mandated and do not visit temples regularly.
Most Hindus visit temples only during festivals or if the Temple has original significance.
Many Hindus do not visit temples for years or even in their entire life span.

I have never met a hindu, who don't keep his god in his pocket or car or house.
In India, a mandir is designed in every house.
People don't step out of their house unless they do rituals.
Hell your state perform rituals on every weapon you buy or build.
I don't watch Indian movies but i doubt your movies are not directed at maligning Islam and promoting Hinduism.
Here you are saying Hinduism is not practiced!

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

A majority of Pakistanis don’t believe in Ghazwa-e-Hind - it’s the fringe element, which is also an example of how Pakistani politics and society, despite the overt presence of religion in the constitution and religiosity in society, is in many ways more progressive than India, despite India’s ‘secular’ constitution.

The fringe in Pakistan has remained the fringe, whereas India has put her fringe front and center and in power to run the country.

Zaid Hamid, whom Indians quote, is more popular in India than Pakistan. The reason is that many Islamic concepts he says are false. Not surprising considering his pre-social media debut. Indians try to vilify Pakistanis by using his caricature, but he is a false character.

We are not sharpening our axes and scimitar on a daily basis in preparation of looting and pillaging India like Mongols. Lol. Indians and their dreams....

As far as Ghazwa e Hind, brother, I will disagree with you here. Although it is not an everyday fact of Pakistanis' lives, we are more interested in affairs of Arabs, Turks, Afghans than Indians, it still has its importance in the historical struggle in the subcontinent.

Ghazwa e Hind requires certain pre-requisites, that is a Khorasaan army (not existing right now,) and coming appearance of al Mahdi (not here,) Al Masih Ad Dajjal (not here.)

Furthermore and the most interesting point for me, the splitting up of India prior.

You may ask why. That is because the Ahadith clearly indicate the chaining up of kings of Al Hind. Yes, plural. This implies that the India we currently know of, no longer exists. Allahu alim.

Furthermore the Ahadith has been relayed by none other than Abu Huraira. He even expressed desire to join in that battle if possible, due to the forgiveness of all sins for the army which will conquer Hind.

What do you think brothers @Falcon29 @H. Dawary ?

 

[H. Dawary]

Zaid Hamid, whom Indians quote, is more popular in India than Pakistan. The reason is that many Islamic concepts he says are false. Not surprising considering his pre-social media debut. Indians try to vilify Pakistanis by using his caricature, but he is a false character.

We are not sharpening our axes and scimitar on a daily basis in preparation of looting and pillaging India like Mongols. Lol. Indians and their dreams....

As far as Ghazwa e Hind, brother, I will disagree with you here. Although it is not an everyday fact of Pakistanis' lives, we are more interested in affairs of Arabs, Turks, Afghans than Indians, it still has its importance in the historical struggle in the subcontinent.

Ghazwa e Hind requires certain pre-requisites, that is a Khorasaan army (not existing right now,) and coming appearance of al Mahdi (not here,) Al Masih Ad Dajjal (not here.)

Furthermore and the most interesting point for me, the splitting up of India prior.

You may ask why. That is because the Ahadith clearly indicate the chaining up of kings of Al Hind. Yes, plural. This implies that the India we currently know of, no longer exists. Allahu alim.

Furthermore the Ahadith has been relayed by none other than Abu Huraira. He even expressed desire to join in that battle if possible, due to the forgiveness of all sins for the army which will conquer Hind.

What do you think brothers @Falcon29 @H. Dawary ?

Before that... the big war has to happen first, Al-Malhama Al Kubra. I believe we are nearing that.

 

[El Sidd]

As an aside, you do so much better when you’re not trying to deliberately torment people and actually focus on composing a proper argument.

I only take what's rightfully mine. Tigers are known to kill needlessly, Lions don't.

And i am not either of them.

 

[niaz]

I understand from the posts of my Pakistani brethren that "no political solution is possible" of the Indo-Pak Kashmir dispute. Undoubtedly, the longer we leave it, the less likely it is that the problem could be resolved. We must also understand that limited wars, like the ones in 1948, 1965 & the Kargil, are not going to get us Kashmir, it needs to be a fight to finish.

Do we wait for India to attack us or should we start the hostilities?

 

[Yankee-stani]

Pretty simple no first off why would Pakistan a country smaller in size and population would want to be economically,politically, and socially dominated by India without a compromise that would be fair for the Kashmiris which is freedom from Delhi ,and besides both sides of the border have pseudo religious extreme folks and yahoos making any form of a said union not work its time we finally get to the point that there will be war or conflict down the road and that is how Kashmir will be solved also as "Great Bifurcation of the world" between the United States and the People's Republic of China Pakistan is going be in the Chinese camp and India in the American as like in the first Cold War the world powers will fund one side to spit the other for geo politics but I feel that we are heading to massive conflict worldwide at some point

 

[Falcon29]

Zaid Hamid, whom Indians quote, is more popular in India than Pakistan. The reason is that many Islamic concepts he says are false. Not surprising considering his pre-social media debut. Indians try to vilify Pakistanis by using his caricature, but he is a false character.

We are not sharpening our axes and scimitar on a daily basis in preparation of looting and pillaging India like Mongols. Lol. Indians and their dreams....

As far as Ghazwa e Hind, brother, I will disagree with you here. Although it is not an everyday fact of Pakistanis' lives, we are more interested in affairs of Arabs, Turks, Afghans than Indians, it still has its importance in the historical struggle in the subcontinent.

Ghazwa e Hind requires certain pre-requisites, that is a Khorasaan army (not existing right now,) and coming appearance of al Mahdi (not here,) Al Masih Ad Dajjal (not here.)

Furthermore and the most interesting point for me, the splitting up of India prior.

You may ask why. That is because the Ahadith clearly indicate the chaining up of kings of Al Hind. Yes, plural. This implies that the India we currently know of, no longer exists. Allahu alim.

Furthermore the Ahadith has been relayed by none other than Abu Huraira. He even expressed desire to join in that battle if possible, due to the forgiveness of all sins for the army which will conquer Hind.

What do you think brothers @Falcon29 @H. Dawary ?

I have read two opinions on this, one that it mentions one thing that will happen before the last hour but not necessarily before it by a short period and that it already happened. The other is it may refer to something in the end times and situation would not be started by Muslims but Muslims come out as victors. As you said things can look very different at that time. Several months ago we were having projections about US economy, US elections, possible conflicts in the ME , and so on. Then a virus came around that we didn't expect and changed our realities drastically for the year. Many other things could happen that cause the world to change. Even in a short period.

Even if you read about the last signs you ask how would this stuff happen and question whether it makes sense or not. But that is because we don't know how the world will look like and can only do our best ijtihad on these matters.

 

[jamahir]

How did my thread turn into a religious discussion ?

 

[TheGreatMaratha]

Do we wait for India to attack us or should we start the hostilities?

Karlo aap shuru.