A political solution for Kashmir and lasting peace for India and Pakistan

[Indos]

It's a multiverse of it's own.

Look like the one who made GDP PPP 2017 graph has issue with Muslim

This is 10 biggest GDP by PPP

 

[925boy]

A non starter, there is less than zero chance of this working.
If we are talking from a standpoint of how things currently are, i fully agree, but the reason is what is important here.
India independent of Kashmir wants to dominate the region as a hegemon, Pakistan will never accept this.

and boom...you just started getting into what is blocking this proposal @jamahir is proposing- At the end of the day, this plan cannot take off because sadly, Pakistan and India BOTH have eroded trust from the other side...ths author mentioned Kashmir being like US-Canada border. Sorry, that is not a good example, because in the case of US-Canada Border, both host countries have good relations and mantain them in general, but that cant be said for India- Pakstan- they both sort of strongly dislike each other officially, so this is what must be reduced FIRST, before any joint "Kashmir plan" can take place. But i really wish both countries can let cooler heads prevail and find the best ,realistic solution. @niaz much respect for your post above, i am also a pragmatist and realist.

 

[Salahuddin Ayyubi]

Whether I am dark skinned, light skinned, Pakistani or even Muslim, makes 0 difference whatsoever. The reality is that parsis have 0 DNA, genetic or racial links to REAL Persian people who are modern day Iranians. In fact indian parsis are dark skinned dravidian south indians who have as much of a connection to Persians as Australian Aborigines do with White Aryan Germans. That is a fact.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0002929717302914

https://genomebiology.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s13059-017-1244-9

https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/128272v1.full

Your arrogance is what brings you down each time. Don't claim something is facts unless you're willing to provide the facts Kid. Because otherwise I'll have to expose you and show everyone that you're a loud mouth with no knowledge of what he's talking about.

 

[MayaBazar]

Hindus are Parsi.

And Parsis are Hindus.

We both worship fire and have the same pre-vedic and vedic history.

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

White race domination is probably 400 years old. India had the biggest GDP for 1000 of years.
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French was standardised after Parisian French too in 18th Century, also MAJOR Indian languages (with speakers at least in millions) as less than 30 with many of them being mutually intelligible with others.


It's a multiverse of it's own.

I'm not talking about GDP but inventions of advanced sciences and technologies. However can you provide a link to the source from where you obtained those charts from.

 

[jamahir]

I am agree that status quo should be remained to avoid war that can hamper economic development of each country.

But the status quo in India-administered Kashmir has led to such things as the recent nine month lockdown there. Unfortunate this.

Malaysia accept the fact and move on in order not to create war between two countries.

But in case of India and Pakistan they do not seem to want to move on.

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0002929717302914

https://genomebiology.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s13059-017-1244-9

https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/128272v1.full

Your arrogance is what brings you down each time. Don't claim something is facts unless you're willing to provide the facts Kid. Because otherwise I'll have to expose you and show everyone that you're a loud mouth with no knowledge of what he's talking about.

Child, your reading and comprehension skills fail you. The evidence you presented only confirms that the genetic difference between Iranians and indian zorastrians is significant but not as big as that between Iranians and non-Parsi indians. NOWHERE in ANY of those 3 articles do they confirm that indian parsis are racially or genetically identical to Persians. They only portend to "some" similarities....................

Read it again. But CAREFULLY this time......

 

[padamchen]

and boom...you just started getting into what is blocking this proposal @jamahir is proposing- At the end of the day, this plan cannot take off because sadly, Pakistan and India BOTH have eroded trust from the other side...ths author mentioned Kashmir being like US-Canada border. Sorry, that is not a good example, because in the case of US-Canada Border, both host countries have good relations and mantain them in general, but that cant be said for India- Pakstan- they both sort of strongly dislike each other officially, so this is what must be reduced FIRST, before any joint "Kashmir plan" can take place. But i really wish both countries can let cooler heads prevail and find the best ,realistic solution. @niaz much respect for your post above, i am also a pragmatist and realist.

Take it from someone who's seen this against the backdrop of his ancestral land and people, predating what went down on his new homeland and people ....

This is all polite bs being spewed here. Page after page after nauseous page.

In the Heartland of both nations nation's it's Hindu vs Muslim.

Those who converted versus those who did not.

Those who joined the invader versus those who suffered at their hands.

This is millennial payback. On a land that resisted and now is on the stronger footing.

The boot is firmly on the other foot and it's with rare precedent. I can count maybe less than 5 such examples on earth.

 

[925boy]

In the Heartland of both nations nation's it's Hindu vs Muslim.

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BRooo!!! even i believe this already. THis is why it is a VERY hard issue. Kashmir just reflects Hindu vs Muslim struggle.

 

[padamchen]

And Parsis are Hindus.

We both worship fire and have the same pre-vedic and vedic history.

Yes.

As per pretty hardcore thet Puneri RSS ideologues

Param Hindu.

It's weird that such frankness does not trickle down to the toxic revisionost hordes on the internet though.

 

[Naofumi]

France is analogous to UP or Gujrat. Within UP there are also differant standard of the similiar language. However Tamil, Telagu, Bihari, Bengali, Gujrati etc are entirely differant languages. So stop playing dumb games.

It's larger, yes but the spirit is same. We all spoke Prakrit (except Dravidians who spoke Proto-Dravidian), have same castes from North to South, same history. And no, we are not same as EU, we're a full fledged country.

I'm not talking about GDP but inventions of advanced sciences and technologies. However can you provide a link to the source from where you obtained those charts from.

How can a civilisation triumph without constant innovations?

There was some very real science and mathematics in ancient India.

Contributions of Indian mathematicians[1] have been very important in developing the foundations of multiple areas of math such as arithmetic, algebra and trigonometry. Our mathematical heritage goes back three millennia. Even things we think of as completely basic like the decimal system[2] were not used in Europe for centuries after Indians invented it — it had to get there through the Arabs! Some of the mathematical results like Brahmagupta’s formula[3] for the area of the cyclic quadrilateral are well known. But even many formulae named after western mathematicians today were known to Indian mathematicians centuries ago.

Astronomy[4] was another field in which ancient Indians made a lot of contributions. They were hampered by the lack of tools like telescopes to make observations beyond the naked eye and the lack of physics knowledge to explain what is underlying. In spite of this, aided by the mathematical advances, they were able to do tremendous things with observational astronomy. They made calendars and predicted astronomical events with great accuracy. Indian astronomy had a strong influence on Arabs and through them, modern astronomy.

Indian medicine[5] was also quite advanced for its time. Though its foundational principles are shaky (once again, due to the lack of modern tools and knowledge), there were then radical ideas like cadaver dissection and a lot of emphasis on identifying herbs which can cure diseases. There was even the development of primitive forms of surgery![6] I believe that modern medicine can still benefit a lot by applying the scientific method to Ayurvedic herbs.
There were other scientific fields like alchemy and metallurgy[7] which were also quite advanced for the time.

Babylonian, Mesopotamian, Greek and Chinese civilizations had made many mathematical and scientific achievements along with India, and there was quite a bit of influencing one another. We can doubtlessly claim that this foundation of science and technology is what modern science stands on.

At the same time, many of the claims about advanced science and technology in ancient India are deliberate hoaxes. These include claims of technology such as nuclear weapons and genetic technology as well as claims of scientific discoveries like relativity, quantum mechanics and black holes.

Unfortunately, it seems that many Indians are not happy with appreciating the real scientific heritage of our ancestors. Instead, they somehow want to prove that ancient India was more modern than the world is currently. There is absolutely no archaeological or literary evidence for any of this. So instead, these people make vague translations of ancient verses, take them out of context and stretch their meanings to claim that ancient Indian works contained modern science and technology! And more often than not, they do not use mathematical or scientific works but mythology. If there is a mythological story about a head transplant, they will claim that it proves a real ancient medical advance. A flying chariot becomes a real aeroplane. Powerful arrows become nuclear weapons. And the list goes on. The further in past you go, the vaguer the verses become and the more they become malleable to interpret in terms of relativity and quantum mechanics and whatnot.

This is unfortunate because all this makes people doubt even the real achievements. If you go tell someone that ancient Indians came up with the decimal system, they are going to be appreciative about it. But if you tell them that we had ancient aircraft, nuclear weapons, genetic technology and the decimal system, they are going to be “Yeah, right”. Makes things all the worse when the members of the national ruling party including the prime minister make such fake claims to promote their idea of cultural nationalism.

I hope we can shut down the people who make such hoaxes and appreciate what is our real heritage. Literature, philosophy, mythology — none of them become any less valuable simply because they are not science. We can keep appreciating them as gems of our cultural heritage while accepting only the science as science. And I hope that it can inspire us to advance science in India and take the country to the forefront of modern scientific research. Sitting on past laurels is not enough.

PS: Here is an aggregate of my posts on pseudoscience, some of which debunk specific claims about modern science in ancient India.

Footnotes

[1] Indian mathematics - Wikipedia
[2] Hindu–Arabic numeral system - Wikipedia
[3] Brahmagupta's formula - Wikipedia
[4] Indian astronomy - Wikipedia
[5] Ayurveda - Wikipedia
[6] Sushruta Samhita - Wikipedia
[7] History of metallurgy in the Indian subcontinent - Wikipedia

https://www.quora.com/Is-the-ancient-Indian-science-real-or-hoax/answer/Raziman-T-V
For links there are many, here's one
https://www.visualcapitalist.com/2000-years-economic-history-one-chart/

 

[padamchen]

BRooo!!! even i believe this already. THis is why it is a VERY hard issue. Kashmir just reflects Hindu vs Muslim struggle.

It's not a struggle.

It's an unfinished war.

A clash of civilizations.

 

[Naofumi]

It's not a struggle.

It's an unfinished war.

A clash of civilizations.

A clash f*cks both sides inevitably, especially if one of them is not extraordinarily weak.

BRooo!!! even i believe this already. THis is why it is a VERY hard issue. Kashmir just reflects Hindu vs Muslim struggle.

Anyone who denies this is not being honest.

 

[padamchen]

A clash f*cks both sides inevitably, especially if one of them is not extraordinarily weak.

A previous avatar used to say this regularly.

True peace between India and Pakistan will only come when one of them is no longer able to wage war.

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

Take it from someone who's seen this against the backdrop of his ancestral land and people, predating what went down on his new homeland and people ....

This is all polite bs being spewed here. Page after page after nauseous page.

In the Heartland of both nations nation's it's Hindu vs Muslim.

Those who converted versus those who did not.

Those who joined the invader versus those who suffered at their hands.

This is millennial payback. On a land that resisted and now is on the stronger footing.

The boot is firmly on the other foot and it's with rare precedent. I can count maybe less than 5 such examples on earth.

You honestly believe that the difference between modern day indians and Pakistanis is simply religion? Of those who converted and those who didn't?........
For a start, modern day indians and Pakistanis are not even from the same race. That's even way before we get started on religion.