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A new Huawei phone has defeated US chip sanctions against China​

SMIC, China's top chipmaker, has manufactured a 7-nanometer processor for Huawei's Mate 60 Pro—despite US chip sanctions against China​

By Ananya Bhattacharya
Sept. 5 2023


One step closer to realizing China’s semiconductor dreams.

One step closer to realizing China’s semiconductor dreams.Photo: David Kirton (Reuters)
Huawei’s latest smartphone, the Mate 60 Pro, offers proof that China’s homegrown semiconductor industry is advancing despite the US ban on chips and chipmaking technology.

The new Kirin 9000s chip in Huawei’s latest phone uses an advanced 7-nanometer processor fabricated in China by the country’s top chipmaker, Semiconductor Manufacturing International Corp. (SMIC), according to a teardown of the phone that TechInsights conducted for Bloomberg.

Huawei released the phone online last week but didn’t reveal key specifications such as the processor design or the wireless connection speeds. China’s chip stocks started rallying on the speculation that the Shenzhen-based Huawei had engineered a triumphant return for its 5G smartphones using domestic chips. News reports had already teased this possibility in mid-July.

“There is hope that Chinese companies will be able to tide over the US government’s sanctions and restrictions on chip supply,” the government-backed China Daily wrote on Sep. 1

A brief recent timeline of US chip sanctions against China

August 2022: The US Congress passes the CHIPS and Science Act, a law that approves subsidies and tax breaks to help jumpstart the production of advanced semiconductors on American soil.
September 2022: The Biden administration bans federally funded US tech firms from building advanced facilities in China for a decade.
October 2022: The US commerce department bars companies from supplying advanced chips and chipmaking equipment to China, calling it an effort to curb China’s ability to produce cutting-edge chips for weapons and other defense technology, rather than a bid to cripple the country’s consumer electronics industry.
November 2022: The US bans the approval of communications equipment from Chinese companies like Huawei Technologies and ZTE, claiming that they pose “an unacceptable risk” to the country’s national security.
May 2023: Beijing bans its “operators of critical information infrastructure” from doing business with Micron Tech, an Idaho-based chipmaker.

Quotable: Gatekeeping chips is counterproductive​

“In the AI garden, the seeds are the AI software frameworks—which China already has access to. The plants in the garden are the AI models in use, which again are already available to Chinese AI companies. Nvidia provides the best shovels and pruning shears to tend the garden, but not the only means to tend it. So it doesn’t make sense to try to build a high wall around it...[T]o over-regulate these chips creates the risk that the US could fumble away its technology leadership. Would you rather have Chinese AI customers continue to fuel Nvidia’s growth and success? Or would you rather they spend their yuan to fuel the growth and success of Chinese suppliers?”
Patrick Moorhead, a tech analyst, writing in Forbes in July 2023

One big number: China’s hoard of Nvidia chips​

$5 billion: The value of orders that China’s tech giants have placed with Nvidia for its A800 and A100 chips, to be delivered this year, according to an August report by the Financial Times. The biggest internet giants—Baidu, ByteDance, Tencent, and Alibaba—have placed orders totalling $1 billion to buy around 100,000 A800 processors. Given that the US is mulling new export controls, Chinese companies are rushing to hoard the best chips on the market to train their AI models and run their data centers.

Charted: SMIC stock jumps briefly on the Huawei teardown report​

What’s next for Chinese chipmakers?​

The TechInsights teardown offers confirmation that China has managed to sidestep some restrictions and elevate its domestic chip ecosystem. But this is not to say that US chips sanctions aren’t hampering China at all.

For one thing, the production scales and timeline for the processor used in Huawei’s new device is as yet unclear. That the phone sold out in mere days perhaps suggests a limited inventory of SMIC’s breakthrough chip. Huawei may also have used stockpiled chips made by TSMC, the Taiwanese chip giant. These chips could have been purchased before September 2020, when Washington doubled down on sanctions to block Huawei’s access to advanced chips.

Moreover, further semiconductor advancements could still hit a wall. The 7-nanometer processor remains a few generations behind the 4-nanometer chip that TSMC manufactures for the latest iPhones, for instance. And breaking past that 7-nanometer barrier will prove difficult without the chipmaking equipment of ASML, the Dutch giant that has been prohibited from exporting its cutting-edge technology to China.

For now, China’s domestic chipmakers have managed to squeeze the resources at their disposal to make better semiconductors using older tools. But without new tools, their processes will remain onerous and outdated, raising costs and lowering output. A company like SMIC will remain several years behind rivals elsewhere and struggle to make more breakthroughs—especially if more restrictions choke China further.

 
IMO Huawei didn't reveal the kind of connectivity found in the Mate60 but rather let the end user test try out the speed for themselves because the West already has 5Ge which is a faked 4G network. If Huawei outright said Mate60 comes with 5G, the West will begin a furious and vicious 5Ge smear campaign!

"But you're under sanctions. How can you make 5G? It must be a 5Ge phone!"

Now, nobody can deny Huawei60 is the REAL 5G not that fake 5Ge evolution crap by AT&T!!
 
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It's just a temporary win.

China still needs to climb the ladder to release 5mn, 3mn, 2mn, and 1mn chips.

At minimum in the end of the year China should release 5mn chip.

It's always the mid-end product that occupies the largest market share. High-end chips are nice showcasing, but companies can't make profit based solely off them. As long as Chinese manufacturing breaks into the mid-end market, the competitors will be squeezed out of profit and funding for R&D.
 
It's just a temporary win.

China still needs to climb the ladder to release 5mn, 3mn, 2mn, and 1mn chips.

At minimum in the end of the year China should release 5mn chip.

On September 15, 2020, the United States began to implement "chip sanctions" against China.

Did the U.S. govt at the time anticipate that China would only need three years to progress from mass-producing 48nm to mass-producing 7nm chips?
 

One big number: China’s hoard of Nvidia chips​

$5 billion: The value of orders that China’s tech giants have placed with Nvidia for its A800 and A100 chips, to be delivered this year, according to an August report by the Financial Times.The biggest internet giants—Baidu, ByteDance, Tencent, and Alibaba—have placed orders totalling $1 billion to buy around 100,000 A800 processors.

Given that the US is mulling new export controls, Chinese companies are rushing to hoard the best chips on the market to train their AI models and run their data centers.

Relying on the US for your AI achievements....
 
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Relying on the US for your AI achievements....
Calm down hero. Huawei js claiming the new Ascends are as fast as the A100. Sept 15 wil have a huge announcement. I told you guys before, the only way to defeat China is to work harder not play dirty tricks. Not even US has a near complete chip ecosystem as China.
 
Calm down hero. Huawei js claiming the new Ascends are as fast as the A100. Sept 15 wil have a huge announcement. I told you guys before, the only way to defeat China is to work harder not play dirty tricks. Not even US has a near complete chip ecosystem as China.

Seems your companies have little faith in it if they are buying $Billions worth of NVIDIA chips.
 
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Relying on the US for your AI achievements....
Bad news for you. Huawei will soon release its GPU that is equivalent to Nvidia A100. And Huawei with iFLYTEK (which is a famous Chinese AI company) together will soon release Chinese verson ChatGPT. What can I say. Huawei is a monster.

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Bad news for you. Huawei will soon release its GPU that is equivalent to Nvidia A100. And Huawei with iFLYTEK (which is a famous Chinese AI company) together will soon release Chinese verson ChatGPT. What can I say. Huawei is a monster.

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They could have used those $Billions to make their chips even better and faster. But why do that when you can fund NVIDIA's R&D Department.
 

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