A NEW AIRCRAFT FOR PAF

[royalharris]

the companies might not. Western countries do
There is a weapons embargo on China since 1988



why are PAF JF-17 equipped with RD-93 ??

But now,what can Europe provide to China?
We should thank them for their embargo at that time.

 

[Fenrir]

I wonder your airforce still operates them..

Of course we still operate them, see...

Oh, wait. Wrong aircraft.

The Tiger Moth is kept around as a ceremonial aircraft to mark the end of WWII and the end of Germany's occupation of Norway, otherwise they are stored in the Norwegian Defense Museum:

And my idea was still better then anything the lot of you have come up with, and far more realistic too.

How many times are we going to throw around SU-35, Typhoon or Gripen before realizing none of them are a valid or reasonable option for Pakistan due to cost, capability or diplomatic reason?

You want a real idea and not just me being an *ss? Take the money you'd spend on buying, arming, training for and maintaining a new aircraft and invest that money into the JF-17 program and make it more capable:

JF-17 Block III, there's your new aircraft.

 

[Zain Malik]

JF-17 Block III, there's your new aircraft

wait for its induction, will shut the worlds mouth...

 

[Michael Corleone]

sure do join YAK-130 band wagon. it offers a lot for its price

 

[Zarvan]

La vi lo naya jahaz. What happened to the briefing given to standing committee? @Zarvan Janab app na to kaha tha deal is on. Tab sa la ker abb tak khamoossii ha. Phir kya hua koi update?

Yes they are working on it and you would hear about the deal soon

 

[CHI RULES]

The problem with people is that they think if JF17 block-iii is oing to launch in 2019 or 2020 it will be designed in one day and we should stock funds for their production, if sanity prevails one should know that PAF funds are not specific for JF17 block-III only i.e if Pak gets few Euro fighters or SU35s then we should not be able to produce better version of block -iii.

For a person with sound mind should know that perhaps designing process of JF17 block-III should have been completed along with finalization of gadgets. The problem is that we can produce block-III up to our limits as IAF continuously upgrading it's existing fleet along with increasing operational availability of SU30 up to 60-70% They have already armed their jets with next gen AMRAAM,LRAAM and HOBS WVRs of both Western and Russian origin.

Rafael or no Rafael we require new platform with lower or no strings like F16s, which we can upgrade time to time and arm with any feasible armament available to counter existing/ near future threats. The block-III will be relevant after 1-2 to years after start of production. If possible even PAF should try to sell their 76 odd F16s if viper upgrade along with AMRAAM120-C7 and AIM 9X is not availble to Pak. Or bring them to second tier.
If we get SU35s or Euro fighters they are both potent and modern platforms which Pak pilots may adopt in little or no time due to ease in handling. Further we may arm them by better availble options of either Chinese or Western origin. There is an honest opinion that so far our Jf17s up to block -ii can;t challenge Mig 29Ks in Naval warfare. Further our Mirages can't sneak through enemy defenses for deep strikes due to age and old gadgetry.

 

[Hassan Guy]

The problem with people is that they think if JF17 block-iii is oing to launch in 2019 or 2020 it will be designed in one day and we should stock funds for their production, if sanity prevails one should know that PAF funds are not specific for JF17 block-III only i.e if Pak gets few Euro fighters or SU35s then we should not be able to produce better version of block -iii.

For a person with sound mind should know that perhaps designing process of JF17 block-III should have been completed along with finalization of gadgets. The problem is that we can produce block-III up to our limits as IAF continuously upgrading it's existing fleet along with increasing operational availability of SU30 up to 60-70% They have already armed their jets with next gen AMRAAM,LRAAM and HOBS WVRs of both Western and Russian origin.

Rafael or no Rafael we require new platform with lower or no strings like F16s, which we can upgrade time to time and arm with any feasible armament available to counter existing/ near future threats. The block-III will be relevant after 1-2 to years after start of production. If possible even PAF should try to sell their 76 odd F16s if viper upgrade along with AMRAAM120-C7 and AIM 9X is not availble to Pak. Or bring them to second tier.
If we get SU35s or Euro fighters they are both potent and modern platforms which Pak pilots may adopt in little or no time due to ease in handling. Further we may arm them by better availble options of either Chinese or Western origin. There is an honest opinion that so far our Jf17s up to block -ii can;t challenge Mig 29Ks in Naval warfare. Further our Mirages can't sneak through enemy defenses for deep strikes due to age and old gadgetry.

Is the design and airframe for the Block 3 the same as the block 2?

 

[iby32]

Status on J 10B unknown like a ufo mistry do we buy them or not as we had requirement of 36


Pakistan aeging C 130 fleet any plans to slowly replace them 3 decades past that paf bought any new cargo planes

Cn 235 was old il 76 was tankers thats it

We dont have an overseas enemy so we dont need heavy transport aircrafts to transport troops worldwide. At the moment we do need to replace our entire fighter fleet after 10 years or so f16 will be like current mirages we need at least 530 fighter aircrafts

Why not we are going for j11d or j16 from china

 

[CriticalThought]

I would like to question the need for a new aircraft. India doesn't have any stealth aircraft in her inventory, and it doesn't look like they will be getting such aircraft any time soon. Instead of investing in a new aircraft, we should be concentrating on bolstering our air defense measures. The thread here:

https://defence.pk/threads/here’s-w...-backed-targets-in-syria.455473/#post-8805139

gives a very good analysis on the relative strengths/weaknesses of the best aircraft in the world vs. the best air defense system in world.

A slightly related question for our members here: What good would be a 5th generation fighter if we only come to know of the Rafale's threat when it is about to strike? We cannot have AWACS in the air 24/7 for our full border with India. As a matter of fact, if India wanted to play dirty, they could very well attack from bases in Afghanistan! So we would need AWACS 24/7 in the air on both the eastern border and the western border. The only real solution is to invest in a best of breed ground air defense system, including radar and anti-aircraft missiles. I hope the new university planned by PAF gives a high importance to indigenous research on air defense systems.

 

[wiseone2]

I would like to question the need for a new aircraft. India doesn't have any stealth aircraft in her inventory, and it doesn't look like they will be getting such aircraft any time soon. Instead of investing in a new aircraft, we should be concentrating on bolstering our air defense measures. The thread here:

https://defence.pk/threads/here’s-what-would-happen-if-us-tried-to-strike-russian-backed-targets-in-syria.455473/#post-8805139

gives a very good analysis on the relative strengths/weaknesses of the best aircraft in the world vs. the best air defense system in world.

A slightly related question for our members here: What good would be a 5th generation fighter if we only come to know of the Rafale's threat when it is about to strike? We cannot have AWACS in the air 24/7 for our full border with India. As a matter of fact, if India wanted to play dirty, they could very well attack from bases in Afghanistan! So we would need AWACS 24/7 in the air on both the eastern border and the western border. The only real solution is to invest in a best of breed ground air defense system, including radar and anti-aircraft missiles. I hope the new university planned by PAF gives a high importance to indigenous research on air defense systems.

It is not clear how well Russian and Chinese aircraft will hold up in a lengthy war

 

[CriticalThought]

There is an honest opinion that so far our Jf17s up to block -ii can;t challenge Mig 29Ks in Naval warfare. Further our Mirages can't sneak through enemy defenses for deep strikes due to age and old gadgetry.

"The JF-17 is extremely close if not exactly the same as Mig-29" These are the words of the head of the Mig and Sukhoi Holding. Am not allowed to post URLs, but on youtube, put a forward slash, then include watch?v=L2xC0m0pPF0.

That video DOES NOT mean that Russia isn't willing to transfer engine technology to Pakistan itself. Again, on sputniknews comMERCIAL site put a forward slash then asia then forward slash then 201511121029973347-pakistan-russia-engines and finally a forward slash again. To quote:

A Russian engine is being installed in Pakistan’s JF-17 Thunder fighter jet which inspires hope for cooperation between the Pakistan Aeronautical Complex and the Russian engine maker, a PAC representative said on Monday.

A Sukhoi SU-35 jetfigther © AP Photo/ Francois Mori Russia-Pakistan Military Cooperation Not Threatening Relations With India “As we know, a Russian engine is being installed on the JF-17 Thunder and we are looking forward to further cooperation with the engine manufacturer in Russia,” the Pakistani official told RIA Novosti news agency on the sidelines of the 2015 Dubai Air Show on Monday. The PAC representative expressed interest in having Pakistani engine specialists undergo training in Russia and their Russian colleagues helping modernize the company’s engine-repair facilities in Pakistan. The JF-17 all-weather multirole fighter, jointly developed by Pakistan and China’s Chengdu Aircraft Industry Corporation, is currently being modified with a Russian-made RD-93 engine. Founded in 1971 by the Pakistan Air Force, the Pakistan Aeronautical Complex is a major aerospace, defense, aviation contractor and military corporation producing aerial systems for both military and civilian usage.

 

[The SC]

PA and PAF will come up with something to counter S-400 or at least they are planning just like they were planning for short term/long term solution for PAF.

And in a few years from now add these too: 72 of them

 

[The SC]

No we are not.

MOSCOW (Sputnik) — Chief of Air Staff of the Pakistan Air Force Sohail Aman had "fruitful talks" in Moscow in July on purchasing of Russian Su-35 (NATO reporting name: Flanker-E) fighter jets, Pakistani Ambassador to Russia Qazi Khalilullah told Sputnik.

Read more: https://sputniknews.com/military/201609051044975853-pakistan-russia-ambassador-su35/

 

[SQ8]

MOSCOW (Sputnik) — Chief of Air Staff of the Pakistan Air Force Sohail Aman had "fruitful talks" in Moscow in July on purchasing of Russian Su-35 (NATO reporting name: Flanker-E) fighter jets, Pakistani Ambassador to Russia Qazi Khalilullah told Sputnik.

Read more: https://sputniknews.com/military/201609051044975853-pakistan-russia-ambassador-su35/

No we are not

 

[The SC]

No we are not

OK!