A NEW AIRCRAFT FOR PAF

[wiseone2]

Update yourself.

The Elint/EW aircraft before AWACS doesnt use chinese systems.
Pakistan uses Swedish AWCS systems alongwith chinese AWACS.
American systems are in use through P-3C.
Pakistan has recently shown interest in Russian EW systems.

P-3 are maritime aircraft
Indian Navy p-8 are replacement for p-3

 

[drunken-monke]

Our JF17 are superior to every Indian plane except the MKI.
The Block 50/52 and MLU F16 are superior to MKI.

Would you care to elaborate how JF 17 of better than anything India has apart from MKI and How F16 is better than MKI.. Please be rational in your comparison, with data and other stuff would help in matter..

 

[Falcon26]

Update yourself.

The Elint/EW aircraft before AWACS doesnt use chinese systems.
Pakistan uses Swedish AWCS systems alongwith chinese AWACS.
American systems are in use through P-3C.
Pakistan has recently shown interest in Russian EW systems.

I am very well updated.

The Erieye are a credible systems but only the F-16s are configured to use them. The rest have to rely on ground stations which kills crucial response times during war. What use are the Erieye AWACS if a vast majority of your planes aren't directly connected to them?

Would you care to elaborate how JF 17 of better than anything India has apart from MKI and How F16 is better than MKI.. Please be rational in your comparison, with data and other stuff would help in matter..

A potent JF-17 with the right subsystems can easily take on and beat anything the IAF has and over friendly skies supported by air defense systems and AWACS can give the SU-30MKIs a run for their money. TBH the SU-30MKI are potent but not what they are made to be.The upgraded F-16s & Block 52++ are more than a match. India would have gone for more SU-derivatives if they were satisfied with them, especially with their low serviceability rates. Instead it switched gears and is now replacing its Russian systems with American and French ones. And why not? Time and again, vaunted Russian systems have proven to be duds during war.

This is why ongoing obsession of PAF fanboys on Russian fighter jets is fascinating. The Pakistanis are now eagerly cheering for weapon systems they have for generations rediculed Indians of buying.

 

[Bilal Khan (Quwa)]

I am very well updated.

The Erieye are a credible systems but only the F-16s are configured to use them. The rest have to rely on ground stations which kills crucial response times during war. What use are the Erieye AWACS if a vast majority of your planes aren't directly connected to them?

I believe the Erieye AEW&C should be able to communicate with the JF-17s directly via Link-17. Remember, the Erieye isn't a NATO system and Saab itself offers a proprietary TDL should the customer ask for it. So the option to configure the Erieye for Link-17 and Link-16 is there. There's also COTS hardware that enable AEW&C to manage multiple TDL types. This is a common practice. For example, U.S. AEW&C manage Link-16, SADL, and MADL.

The tricky thing for the PAF isn't AEW&C to F-16 or JF-17 communication, but JF-17 to F-16 - and vice versa - communication. In other words, should the F-16's radar see something, it would need a GCI or AEW&C to receive that info via Link-16 and then relay it to JF-17s via Link-17.

 

[SQ8]

I am very well updated.

The Erieye are a credible systems but only the F-16s are configured to use them. The rest have to rely on ground stations which kills crucial response times during war. What use are the Erieye AWACS if a vast majority of your planes aren't directly connected to them?



A potent JF-17 with the right subsystems can easily take on and beat anything the IAF has and over friendly skies supported by air defense systems and AWACS can give the SU-30MKIs a run for their money. TBH the SU-30MKI are potent but not what they are made to be.The upgraded F-16s & Block 52++ are more than a match. India would have gone for more SU-derivatives if they were satisfied with them, especially with their low serviceability rates. Instead it switched gears and is now replacing its Russian systems with American and French ones. And why not? Time and again, vaunted Russian systems have proven to be duds during war.

This is why ongoing obsession of PAF fanboys on Russian fighter jets is fascinating. The Pakistanis are now eagerly cheering for weapon systems they have for generations rediculed Indians of buying.

The Erieye can communicate with the JF-17s and provide it a picture, it is the ZDK's that cant communicate with the F-16s.

 

[hacker J]

Lets look at what the enemy currently has.

Our JF17 are superior to every Indian plane except the MKI.
The Block 50/52 and MLU F16 are superior to MKI.

In the Air Defence role, the F16s, Thunder's and BVR mixed with F7's and all supported by AWACS can easily take care of any expected threats. The MKI only has limited strike capabilities in the first place.

In the strike role, the JF17, ROSE Mirage have Stand off weaponry which can enable them to hit Indian targets from distance with lesser exposure. F16 Block 50/52 and MLU jammers are pretty good too.

When the Rafael comes, the equation changes; a lot. That would require more platforms; such as maybe the J31 as well as force multipliers like drones with data links, maybe better ground bases AD, longer range stand off weapons.

jf 17 better than mig29 UPG and miraj 2000-5 keep dreaming bro untill block 3 comes you can't compair
f 16 block 50/52 are better in some aspects and worse at other so please don't assume things and i am being very honest

 

[Bilal Khan (Quwa)]

The Erieye can communicate with the JF-17s and provide it a picture, it is the ZDK's that cant communicate with the F-16s.

Is that because we couldn't get Link-16 terminals for the KE or difficulty in getting the ZDK03 sensor info to read on Link-16?

 

[SQ8]

Is that because we couldn't get Link-16 terminals for the KE or difficulty in getting the ZDK03 sensor info to read on Link-16?

Its because SAAB is eager to cooperate to get the info talking; the Americans are not.

 

[Signalian]

I am very well updated.

The Erieye are a credible systems but only the F-16s are configured to use them. The rest have to rely on ground stations which kills crucial response times during war. What use are the Erieye AWACS if a vast majority of your planes aren't directly connected to them?

Mate, seriously...Update Yourself

http://quwa.org/2016/04/05/link-17-pakistans-homegrown-data-link-system/

 

[Falcon26]

I believe the Erieye AEW&C should be able to communicate with the JF-17s directly via Link-17. Remember, the Erieye isn't a NATO system and Saab itself offers a proprietary TDL should the customer ask for it. So the option to configure the Erieye for Link-17 and Link-16 is there. There's also COTS hardware that enable AEW&C to manage multiple TDL types. This is a common practice. For example, U.S. AEW&C manage Link-16, SADL, and MADL.

The tricky thing for the PAF isn't AEW&C to F-16 or JF-17 communication, but JF-17 to F-16 - and vice versa - communication. In other words, should the F-16's radar see something, it would need a GCI or AEW&C to receive that info via Link-16 and then relay it to JF-17s via Link-17.

It's a pleasant news to me that the JF-17s can directly communicate with the Erieyes. Thanks for the clarification.

 

[sparten]

jf 17 better than mig29 UPG and miraj 2000-5 keep dreaming bro untill block 3 comes you can't compair
f 16 block 50/52 are better in some aspects and worse at other so please don't assume things and i am being very honest

Yes, easily.

You seem to be thinking that AF's fighters are like boxers who enter the ring fighting like pugalists and you can look at their measurables and decide which is better. That is not the way the world works. Air frames are designed for the tasks they have to face and undertake.

A JF17 in the air defense role when facing UPG and M2k5's is going to be loaded with BVR's and supported by AWACS. It has DSI inlets with L/O features, making it hard to see on radar. It will see them long before the enemy planes are aware its even there, and be able to fire and engage. It has comparable avionics as both.

In the strike role it is able to use stand off weapons to stay out of the engagement envelope (or only stay a short while). Unlike the enemy planes, the JF17 is able to easily switch from Air 2 Air back to Air to Ground on a strike mission which means it can fight its way through.

No Indian plane has that ability including the MKI.

 

[Falcon26]

The Erieye can communicate with the JF-17s and provide it a picture, it is the ZDK's that cant communicate with the F-16s.

Thanks for the correction.

 

[Blue Marlin]

To counter IAF threat 2025:
Rafael fighter 100+
Su30mki 274+
Lca 200
Fgfa 50

PAF needs to be by 2025:
F16 - 76
J10B - 150
Jf17 - 250
J31 - 20

Looks better than
PAF by 2025
F16 -76
Jf17 - 250

you forgot to mention the mk2 they [iaf] are upgrading.
also the 5th gen number are way too optimistic and the rafale too.

the fgfa has the most promise here as the russain already have the t-50 in lrip and nearing mass production.
the rafale...... there getting the first one in 18 months and all of them in 36. it 2016 nearing 2017. so india would get the first lot by q1/2018 and the last lot by just before 2020. then they would have to have an agreement on who would build the rest of them and how many of them would be built in france. as by that time they [dassault ] would be nearing completeing the order from france and dependant on orders from foreign clients.
god knows how long the negotiations would take.

the amca would enter service in 2025.

the f16's pakistan has are quiet old even after the mlu. sadly they will be reaching the end of their life. and a replacement is needed to replace them.

the jf-17 would reach 150 airframes by 2025. block 3' wont be going into production for another couple of years.

if pakistan goes for the j-31 they would enter service by 2022/3 quiet easily.
but a stop gap is need and that can only be the typhoons.

 

[sparten]

Chances of UK selling us Typhoons is about 0.

 

[Dr Shaheryar]

LCA= 200. Wow that's going to be a news for me. You have 3 A/C which are under going O/C and within 2025, you will have 200. That's gr8. Keeping this in mind, I think Pakistan will have 350+ Jf-17. And assuming your assumptions for Indian acquisition Pakistan is not going to increase it's F-16 numbers. Man Indian's assume everything for themselves and the rest of world will remain behind them. That's really good news.