A Minister of PTI in touch with PMLN leadership for no confidence motion

[RIP Pak LAW]

Ansar abbasi enough said. This @$$hole has zero credibility.

 

[Jungibaaz]

Only in Pakistan a democratically elected government constantly has threat of being deposed.

Lol very true, but I’m finding it ironic hearing it from you.

 

[Norwegian]

In a country where the crooks are in overwhelming majority, anyone who stands for justice, fairness and clean politics and businesses would be enemy number 1.

This is great opportunity to clean up the mess when everyone becomes anti Imran Khan.

And you’re right, I’ve said before, at the first sign from the establishment MQM and PMLQ will jump ship. Even some internal characters will too.

So let the jump ship. Who cares, Imran Khan will go for fresh mandate.

 

[Jungibaaz]

So let the jump ship. Who cares, Imran Khan will go for fresh mandate.

It would be damaging to IK, it would take a flimsy coalition and turn it into a minority. It might still not be enough for a vote of no confidence, especially considering how weak the opposition is, but it would render the government much weaker in lawmaking than it currently is. And as for a new mandate, I don’t think anyone in government wants that, opposition demands it because they are expecting to make gains.

 

[Norwegian]

It would be damaging to IK, it would take a flimsy coalition and turn it into a minority. It might still not be enough for a vote of no confidence, especially considering how weak the opposition is, but it would render the government much weaker in lawmaking than it currently is. And as for a new mandate, I don’t think anyone in government wants that, opposition demands it because they are expecting to make gains.

So what are the alternatives? Get constantly black mailed by the allies until 2023?

 

[Jungibaaz]

So what are the alternatives? Get constantly black mailed by the allies until 2023?

Honestly I don’t know what the alternatives are. IK’s biggest problem IMO is that he entered power at the wrong time, where a big financial crisis waited for him on day one. And the public who are suffering, do not know that these things take years to build up. And to compound he’s in power when corona pandemic has further exacerbated an already frail economic condition. It has also meant that his coalition partners and backers, and internal figures are all less comfortable now.

Unfortunately there is no changing this, his best bet has been to keep the opposition on the ropes, which is exactly what he’s been doing. He also has to remind corridors of power that he is the only choice and there is no alternative, which is exactly what he has said. For now, he just has to hope that by 2023 his government lasts and by then the outlook is massively improved. Even then it may not be enough.

Failing this, I think he may employ some more underhanded ways of winning any future contest. This can involve a plethora of political tricks, and some more bludgeoning of the opposition. But honestly, I don’t see any easy answers for him.

 

[VCheng]

Honestly I don’t know what the alternatives are. IK’s biggest problem IMO is that he entered power at the wrong time, where a big financial crisis waited for him on day one. And the public who are suffering, do not know that these things take years to build up. And to compound he’s in power when corona pandemic has further exacerbated an already frail economic condition. It has also meant that his coalition partners and backers, and internal figures are all less comfortable now.

Unfortunately there is no changing this, his best bet has been to keep the opposition on the ropes, which is exactly what he’s been doing. He also has to remind corridors of power that he is the only choice and there is no alternative, which is exactly what he has said. For now, he just has to hope that by 2023 his government lasts and by then the outlook is massively improved. Even then it may not be enough.

Failing this, I think he may employ some more underhanded ways of winning any future contest. This can involve a plethora of political tricks, and some more bludgeoning of the opposition. But honestly, I don’t see any easy answers for him.

Relax, everything is going rather well for the present setup. It is stable enough to keep going (with some "encouragement") and yet worrisome enough that any individual strongman tendencies can easily kept in check. The present economic downturn is only temporary and will recover as soon as the world's economy engages gear. What seems to be the problem here?

 

[Jungibaaz]

Relax, everything is going rather well for the present setup. It is stable enough to keep going (with some "encouragement") and yet worrisome enough that any individual strongman tendencies can easily kept in check. The present economic downturn is only temporary and will recover as soon as the world's economy engages gear. What seems to be the problem here?

The present setup has no clothes, it can last but it’ll keep us down forever. It’s tragic seeing people who mean well not misplacing their blame and rightful anger. Even if I can’t help it, I for one prefer to at least rage against the dying of the light.

 

[El Sidd]

Good to see Pandemic Democratic Progression

 

[Tameem]

اسلام آباد (انصار عباسی) معلوم ہوا ہے کہ پاکستان تحریک انصاف سے تعلق رکھنے والے ایک وفاقی وزیر نے مبینہ طور پر نون لیگ کی سینئر قیادت کو وزیراعظم عمران خان کیخلاف قومی اسمبلی میں عدم اعتماد کی تحریک لانے کی پیشکش کی ہے۔

ایک باخبر ذریعے نے دی نیوز کو بتایا ہے کہ وفاقی وزیر نے حال ہی میں نون لیگ کی سینئر رہنما کی فیملی کے ایک رکن سے اس معاملے پر بات کی ہے کہ اگر عدم اعتماد کی تحریک لائی گئی تو پی ٹی آئی کے کئی ارکان قومی اسمبلی بھی اس کی حمایت کریں گے، پی ٹی آئی کے اتحادی جماعتوں کے ساتھ تعلقات پہلے ہی مشکلات کا شکار ہیں۔

یہ پیغام نواز شریف، شہباز شریف اور خواجہ آصف تک پہنچا دیا گیا ہے۔ نون لیگ نے اب تک وفاقی وزیر کے اس ’’خیال‘‘ کا جواب نہیں دیا اور فی الحال کیلئے ’’ انتظار کرو اور دیکھو‘‘ کی پالیسی کو ترجیح دے رہی ہے۔

اس نمائندے نے مذکورہ وزیر سے رابطہ کیا تاہم انہوں نے دوٹوک الفاظ میں انکار کیا کہ انہوں نے شریف فیملی والوں کو ایسا کوئی پیغام پہنچایا ہے۔ کہا جاتا ہے کہ مذکورہ وزیر نے نون لیگ کی سینئر قیادت کے خاندان کے فرد سے رابطے کیلئے اپنا ذاتی موبائل فون استعمال کیا۔ ان کی نون لیگ کے مذکورہ شخص کے ساتھ پرانی وابستگی ہے اور بظاہر اسی تعلق کی وجہ سے ان کو نون لیگ تک یہ پیغام پہنچانے کی ترغیب ملی۔

ذریعے نے یہ بھی بتایا کہ ایوان میں تبدیلی کیلئے پی ٹی آئی سے تعلق رکھنے والے 12؍ سے زائد ارکان اسمبلی تیار ہیں۔ دلچسپ بات یہ ہے کہ وزیراعظم کیخلاف عدم اعتماد کی تحریک کے حوالے سے وفاقی وزیر کا پس منظر میں نون لیگ والوں کے ساتھ رابطہ حکمران جماعت پی ٹی آئی کیلئے پریشانی کا باعث بنے کچھ تنازعات کے دوران ہی سامنے آیا ہے۔

ایک طرف اتحادی جماعت بی این پی مینگل نے پہلے ہی حکومت چھوڑنے کا اعلان کر دیا ہے تو دوسری طرف ق لیگ والوں کا سیاسی موڈ بھی پی ٹی آئی حکومت کیلئے پریشانی کا باعث بنا ہوا ہے۔

ایسے میں ’’مائنس ون‘‘ فارمولے کی باتیں بھی سامنے آ رہی ہیں اور اس میں بھی کوئی اور نہیں بلکہ وزیراعظم عمران خان نے خود قومی اسمبلی میں اپنے حالیہ بیان میں اس بابت بات کی۔ انہوں نے ’’مائنس ون‘‘ فارمولے کو مسترد کرتے ہوئے ’’مافیائوں‘‘ اور ’’کارٹل‘‘ کیخلاف کارروائی کی بات کی۔

وفاقی وزیر برائے سائنس و ٹیکنالوجی فواد چوہدری کے حالیہ بیان سے بھی معلوم ہوتا ہے کہ پاکستان تحریک انصاف (پی ٹی آئی) میں معاملات اچھے نہیں ہیں۔ انہوں نے کہا تھا کہ جہانگیر ترین نے اسد عمر کو وزارت خزانہ سے ہٹوایا اور جہانگیر ترین، اسد عمر اور شاہد محمود قریشی کی آپسی لڑائی کی وجہ سے پارٹی کو زیادہ نقصان ہوا ہے۔

فواد چوہدری نے عمران خان حکومت کی کارکردگی پر بھی عدم اطمینان کا اظہار کیا اور وائس آف امریکا کو دیے گئے انٹرویو میں کہا کہ پی ٹی آئی اور عمران خان سے بڑی توقعات تھیں۔ انہوں نے کہا تھا کہ عوام نے پی ٹی آئی اور عمران خان کو نٹ بولٹ کسنے کیلئے نہیں بلکہ نظام میں اصلاحات لانے کیلئے منتخب کیا تھا۔

انہوں نے کہا کہ بڑے مسائل میں سے ایک یہ بھی ہے کہ پی ٹی آئی کی سینئر قیادت جس میں اسد عمر، جہانگیر ترین اور شاہ محمود قریشی شامل ہیں، کے درمیان آپسی لڑائی جاری ہے، لہٰذا اس صورتحال سے سیاسی خلا پیدا ہو رہا ہے۔ انہوں نے کہا تھا کہ جب سیاسی خلا پیدا ہوگا تو اسے نئے لوگ پُر کریں گے جن کا سیاست سے تعلق نہیں ہوگا۔

جب آپ کی بنیادی (کور) ٹیم میں مسائل ہوں گے تو اس میں نئے لوگ آئیں گے جو خیالات سے ہم آہنگ نہیں ہوں گے اور وہ کام کر پائیں گے اور نہ ان میں صلاحیت ہوگی۔ انہوں نے کہا کہ اس آپسی لڑائی نے پارٹی کو اور بالخصوص سیاسی کلاس کو نقصان پہنچایا ہے۔

ہفتے کو وزیر ریلوے شیخ رشید نے بیان دیا تھا جس سے اس خیال کو تقویت ملتی ہے کہ حکمران اتحاد میں معاملات ٹھیک نہیں ہیں۔ ممکنہ ون کی صورت میں ممکنہ طور پر مائنس تھری کی وارننگ دیتے ہوئے شیخ رشید نے پی ٹی آئی کے وزیروں کو مشورہ دیا تھا کہ اپنے گندے کپڑے میڈیا کے سامنے نہ دھوئیں۔

رشید نے کہا کہ ہم آخری چوائس نہیں ہیں، کچھ وزراء وہ کام کر رہے ہیں جو اپوزیشن والے بھی نہیں کر پائے۔

It seems that Jang Group and Ansar Abbasi (A confirmed tout of PMLN) are on their beaten track again. Trying to infuse rumours for the removal of PM Imran Khan. The famous "Minus One Formula" of Pakistani politics.

For over a year now, different dates of downfall of PTI's government had been issued by incredible Pakistani media goons. None have become true so far.

These are all Half Stories. Spread ed by Umpires themselves, luring PMLN to join hands again.
Opposition read PMLN read Nawaz Sharif in no mode to topple this IK Govt.
I will say again toppling this govt is in no interests of PMLN politically.
This Govt should complete it full 5 Years.

 

[VCheng]

The present setup has no clothes, it can last but it’ll keep us down forever. It’s tragic seeing people who mean well not misplacing their blame and rightful anger. Even if I can’t help it, I for one prefer to at least rage against the dying of the light.

The part in bold is according to design, hence the setup must be regarded as a success. Rage all you want Sir, but the system endures to serve those who control it.

 

[Syed1.]

The present setup has no clothes, it can last but it’ll keep us down forever.

Yes we all miss the "mughay kyun nikala" days where entire cabinet was busy attending SC hearings of the royal highness while current account deficit was sky rocketing.

These are all Half Stories. Spread ed by Umpires themselves, luring PMLN to join hands again.
Opposition read PMLN read Nawaz Sharif in no mode to topple this IK Govt.
I will say again toppling this govt is in no interests of PMLN politically.
This Govt should complete it full 5 Years.

Hahahhahahahahha.... LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL


Couldn't even prevent the budget from passing but they will topple this government.

 

[Jungibaaz]

The part in bold is according to design, hence the setup must be regarded as a success. Rage all you want Sir, but the system endures to serve those who control it.

It’ll change, just you see. I may be idealistic and perhaps even naive, but it’s bound to happen. One thing is for sure for the time being:

Yes we all miss the "mughay kyun nikala" days where entire cabinet was busy attending SC hearings of the royal highness

You don’t even know what’s being discussed, best leave it and focus on your usual partisan chest thumping.

 

[VCheng]

It’ll change, just you see. I may be idealistic and perhaps even naive, but it’s bound to happen. One thing is for sure for the time being:

I agree with you that hope for change must live on, no matter what.

Having said that, kaun jeeta hai ...... at least not in my lifetime that I can see, but then I am not exactly young in years.

I hope that the next elections are fair and on time, and due process is followed as the nation makes its choices about who represents them. That is how they will learn to choose better to get the government they deserve.

 

[Nilgiri]

So let the jump ship. Who cares, Imran Khan will go for fresh mandate.

Is there any polling done lately for I.K popularity right now?...and what would likely election result be if held right now etc?