A homecoming gone so horribly wrong

[F.O.X]

Didn't what?

Help your self! it has been corrected.

Regards
Wilco

 

[Tiki Tam Tam]

Sadly. ! it is the best wish you could made but unfortunately not gona come true in coming Zillion years.


Regards
Wilco

It is not my wish.

It would be stupid if it happened.

It will create more problems since the non Pathans of Afghanistan would not like it.

Iran will jump in with greater zest.

And it will create greater issues that will be difficult to control.

Status quo is the answer!

 

[Flintlock]

Who wants them to disappear? we dont we want then to be a peaceful citizen of Pakistan if they are Pakistanis or go to the country they relate.
We dont want to kill them, we want to teach them what is Islam, thats Y we always start with dialogs not by pounding them or charging over them by tanks APC's etc. if we wanted to solve it with power then we would have done it a long time ago, but we dont want violence.


Regards
Wilco

Alrite, alrite, fine. Assuming, by a miracle or two, that the jehadis realize the error of their ways and becom part of Pakistan and everything is jolly again with Musharraf in permanent power.

Then what? Will he demand plebescite? Will he attack India? Will he just let LOC become border?

 

[F.O.X]

It is not my wish.

I haven't heard this wish from any one else except indians.


Regards
Wilco

 

[F.O.X]

Then what? Will he demand plebescite? Will he attack India? Will he just let LOC become border?

Plebiscite about what ??

Attacking india well i am not in a favour of it, but if there is no other option then .....

LOC will never become permanent border that is for sure .

Regards
Wilco

 

[Tiki Tam Tam]

Wilco,

If it makes you happy, please attack India.

Capture whole of India and be happy!

Fly the Pak flag over my house if you wish!

Shaba Khair!

 

[Tiki Tam Tam]

I haven't heard this wish from any one else except indians.


Regards
Wilco

Fine.

I am from Mars!

Take me to your Leader as the comic books say!

Hate is too great a burden to bear. It injures the hater more than it injures the hated.

 

[Flintlock]

Plebiscite about what ??

Attacking india well i am not in a favour of it, but if there is no other option then .....

LOC will never become permanent border that is for sure .

Regards


Wilco

Plebiscite about what?? Plebiscite for Kashmiris thats what.

YOU don't want LOC to become border. But reality is otherwise!!

Attacking India again will be the biggest disaster for Pakistan. Both domestically and internationally.

Pakistan cannot snatch Kashmir from India. That is for sure. India will definitely overwhelm Pakistan by sheer numbers, if nothing else!!

Pakistan will either lose the war or end in stalemate.

All this is assuming that nukes aren't used. If nukes are used, it will be total disaster for everyone.

Think pragmatically!! Don't daydream!!!

The only solution in Musharraf's hands is to compromise with India and make LOC the border.
All other solutions are infeasible!!

 

[F.O.X]

Wilco,

If it makes you happy, please attack India.

No No, Attacking india will never make me happy bcoz i know i will darken many lives.

Capture whole of India and be happy!

Fly the Pak flag over my house if you wish!

I dont want to capture india, Just want what is ours, whether it is good or bad for you.

Shaba Khair!

Have a nice Sleep !!


Regards
Wilco

 

[F.O.X]

Plebiscite about what?? Plebiscite for Kashmiris thats what.

Ok go ahead, give the authority to Kashmiries people of both sides & give them right to choose with whom they want to live under UN advisers, the result will be ok with me. but what about you ??

YOU don't want LOC to become border. But reality is otherwise!!

yes-Reality is otherwise.

Pakistan cannot snatch Kashmir from India. That is for sure. India will definitely overwhelm Pakistan by sheer numbers, if nothing else!!

Indian was not successful to defeat Us by numbers in the past 60, nor she will be now.

Pakistan will either lose the war or end in stalemate.

Keep your Dreams of India as Super power going on, i will seriously dont mind.

Think pragmatically!! Don't daydream!!!

You should act on your advice first then ask anyone to do so.

The only solution in Musharraf's hands is to compromise with India and make LOC the border.
All other solutions are infeasible!!

It is the only solution for you not for US.

Regards
Wilco

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

Agnostic,

Think this over.



I hope I did not set the cat amongst the pigeons!

Not really.

Every fool with a pen can put down opinions. The article mentioned would go into that category.

The reference of "Dar ul harb and Dar ul Aman", along with a twisted misinterpretation of its meaning, belies the intentions of the writer.

The debate over the identity of Pakistan will continue, that is but a natural part of the evolution of any society. Nothing untoward about it. The remainder goes into the bin of "fantastic conspiracy theories".

 

[Tiki Tam Tam]

Indeed, there are many fool around!

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

Well what do u expect? Look it from the perspective of those times...

India is about to get freedom, everything is gung-ho, the British are leaving, and Nehru and Jinnah is dreaming of a united secular India. It was a very bold idea, and many though it would fail.

I am simply pointing out to you that your statement of "Pakistan has tried to destabilize India from the beginning" is one sided and misinformed, when there is ample evidence that India tried to destabilize Pakistan "from the beginning". But that is all. There is no need to resort to statements like those.

Then Mr.Jinnah here changes his mind, decided that Hindus and Muslims can't get along by default, and therfore they must separate.

The "seeds of mistrust" were sowed when Jinnah decided that hindus and muslims will never get along.

Right, he had a "switch" he flicked to just have so many Muslims support his vision. There was a "ground swell" of support amongst Muslims, that allowed for him to present the vision of Pakistan and follow it to its conception. Pakistan was created because millions of Muslims wanted it, not because some old men happened to hatch a conspiracy and pull it off. Think a little!

The "seeds of mistrust" already existed between the two communities. Don't blame that on Jinnah. I am referring to the "seeds planted by the GoI" after independence, which you yourself have referenced.

Pakistan was made up of provinces that are ethnically dissimilar, they don't like each other too much, and have nothing in common except islam and british rule.

What brings you to this brilliant conclusion? No analysis, evidence, arguments - with a swish of your finger, and the press of a key on a keyboard, you have declared the above. Start a thread, present your premises, back them up with evidence, sources, and make your conclusions. Till then this is just nonsense.

I suppose that all Indians are completely alike? No ethnic, linguistic or cultural differences there!

Both India and Pakistan were doomed from the start, if common sense is to be applied. Even today, parts of Pakistan refuse to accept Constitution of Pakistan.

The first is your view. unsubstantiated again - the second, was a mutual understanding between two parties. Even now the government is not trying to make the people "accept the constitution", but trying to stop certain groups from carrying out certain activities.
More unsubstantiated and misinformed nonsense.

But times have changed. People have accepted the fact that Pakistan is an independent country and only some minority fundamentalists dream of a united India.

It really is time to move on and stop living in history.

We are attempting to do that by implementing a "moral" solution to a festering territorial dispute between the two countries. Waiting for your side to respond positively.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

Indeed, there are many fool around!

Which is why you mustn't believe everything you read.

 

[Tiki Tam Tam]

I am tired of these type of thread that breed despondency and no hope inspite of the great efforts being made by the respective governments to bring sanity and peace.

Plebiscite.

Will Pakistan do so for Balwaristan, Balochistan or Pakhtoonistan?

Just think that over.

Just becaue some pople take up the gun culture and have some demonstrations and become larger than life, that is lapped up by the international media, which has its own axe to grind, means that the people actually want it?

If so, let the media draw the boundaries of the world!