A French General's open letter to Francois Hollande

[flamer84]

@flamer

You should move to Israel, I am sure your views on immigration (and your quality to hide your hatred behind argument) would be more than welcome there. After all, a Moldovan doorman rose to become an important minster there for his views, similar to yours.



Its not a personal attack bro, at least not an intentional one. Eastern Europeans speaking for Europe sound like our own enthusiasts speaking for 'Ummah'.

1.That guy is Russian.

2.How come Eastern Europeans can't speak for Europe ?we are Europe to,sry for the news flashi -i voted to send a local clown in the EU Parliament,he'll fit right in with the other clowns.

3.If you think the immigration issue isn't affecting EE to,think again:

CE Human Rights Commissioner Advises Bulgaria to View Syrian Refugees as People Who Will Stay - News - BULGARIAN NEWS AGENCY

CE Human Rights Commissioner Advises Bulgaria to View Syrian Refugees as People Who Will Stay


Brussels/Strasbourg, February 3 (BTA correspondent Nikolai
Jeliazkov) - Council of Europe Commissioner for Human Rights
Nils Muiznieks Tuesday presented his opinion on Syrian refugees,
urging Bulgaria to start viewing them as people who will stay,
not as temporary residents.

Commissioner Muiznieks said: "It is high time for European
countries to step up the integration of Syrian refugees into
their societies. Given the protracted nature of the Syrian
conflict, many of these refugees are likely to remain in Europe
and become citizens of their host countries. This is true also
of countries like Hungary, Bulgaria or Serbia, which until now
have seen themselves as transit countries. Integration policies
should be overarching, covering human rights sensitisation and
awareness-raising amongst the host communities and refugees,
education, employment, housing, healthcare and other social
services."

So,according to that idiot,countries like Bulgaria and Serbia ,who can barely provide for their own citizens,most of the times they can't,should all of a sudden accept thousands of immigrants/refugees and actually pay for their integration.What a load of baloney...

4.You're the real NAZI in here,because you try to supress and ignore what the majority of citizens want.People must have a say on how their countries are run,that's why no current politician wants a referendum on immigration in Europe,the majority would vote for it to stop.

5.Japan also has a problem with fertility rates,strangely enough you don't see them opening the gates wide.What a bunch of "racists",huh ?

 

[Yousafzai_M]

@Flamer

Just curious, what about the second and third generation immigrants in Europe, do they fall under your 'We are Europe!' slogan or not?

 

[flamer84]

@Flamer

Just curious, what about the second and third generation immigrants in Europe, do they fall under your 'We are Europe!' slogan or not?

Haven't I adressed that by now ? They are Europeans .

 

[Yousafzai_M]

Haven't I adressed that by now ? They are Europeans .

Without any conditions? for example their faith?

 

[flamer84]

Without any conditions? for example their faith?

Ofcourse.Never said anything else.

 

[That Guy]

A right wing military man speaking of right wing ideals, what a surprise. His narrative of "us vs them" is only going to further the problem, not decrease it. It's xenophobic at best.

 

[AUz]

Why would it look like a joke?.If you're a 1st generation immigrant than you should proove worthy instead of joining a gang,take some responsibility.If you came here to join a gang,than bonne voyage,we have enough native scum in gangs,no need to import others.

It will look like a joke because those first-generation "immigrants" aren't 'immigrants' but people born and raised in Europe. European laws would apply on them, instead of 'sending them back', which is hilarious.

Where would you send white-members of gangs? A third generation German child joins a gang in UK..gets caught..what should be done? Send him back to Germany?!!! LAWL.

No wonder people like you don't get to hear their concerns..because you live in a fantasy world.

non-white, non-Christian European citizens of Europe are as much Europeans as you or any other European.

This is just a fact of life. You aren't living in stone-ages anymore.

So stop bringing up storm-front type excuses...

As for homosexuality, Christianity is a dead religion in West. It enjoys literally ZERO influence in society. Premarial Sex, drugs, materialism, bikinis, drinking, homosexuality, living in relationships outside marriage, and secular laws is nature of Western World. It is what who we are. Deal with it.

You can practice whatever you want at home (Me Islam, You christianity)..but for our culture...it can neither be Christian and definitely nor Islamic or any other faith.

Lastly, since when policies required "referendums" ? We are democratic societies. You don't want immigration to continue? Good. Vote for political parties that has similar stance. If majority of population think that immigrant is a massive issue, they'll put in power the parties who will share their stance. If not, then understand that you are not the voice of majority.

It is exact same here: Republicans want religion, conservatism, anti-Mexican rhetoric, no-gay-rights, no abortion for women and so on.

Majority of America doesn't want that.

Elections happen: Obama defeats Republicans.

And country moves forward with progressive laws towards gay marriage and immigration

 

[flamer84]

It will look like a joke because those first-generation "immigrants" aren't 'immigrants' but people born and raised in Europe. European laws would apply on them, instead of 'sending them back', which is hilarious.

Where would you send white-members of gangs? A third generation German child joins a gang in UK..gets caught..what should be done? Send him back to Germany?!!! LAWL.

No wonder people like you don't get to hear their concerns..because you live in a fantasy world.

non-white, non-Christian European citizens of Europe are as much Europeans as you or any other European.

This is just a fact of life. You aren't living in stone-ages anymore.

So stop bringing up storm-front type excuses...

As for homosexuality, Christianity is a dead religion in West. It enjoys literally ZERO influence in society. Premarial Sex, drugs, materialism, bikinis, drinking, homosexuality, living in relationships outside marriage, and secular laws is nature of Western World. It is what who we are. Deal with it.

You can practice whatever you want at home (Me Islam, You christianity)..but for our culture...it can neither be Christian and definitely nor Islamic or any other faith.

Lastly, since when policies required "referendums" ? We are democratic societies. You don't want immigration to continue? Good. Vote for political parties that has similar stance. If majority of population think that immigrant is a massive issue, they'll put in power the parties who will share their stance. If not, then understand that you are not the voice of majority.

It is exact same here: Republicans want religion, conservatism, anti-Mexican rhetoric, no-gay-rights, no abortion for women and so on.

Majority of America doesn't want that.

Elections happen: Obama defeats Republicans.

And country moves forward with progressive laws towards gay marriage and immigration

What ? First generation immigrants are foreign born people who have received citizenship after they've immigrated.They are not born in Europe,i think you are confused.

The problem with political mainstream parties is that many promised to put an end to immigration but have pussyfooted when they arrived in power.As a personal case,even though i consider myself a nationalist i couldn't bring myself to vote for the extreme right wing in here simply because i consider them to insane,or,simply morons.That's the case in many places in Europe,people don't want immigration but can't bare themselves to simply vote the extreme right wing because they're to polluted.

That is why extreme parties are rising all over Europe,after the mainsteam ones lied for so long people see no alternatives.Think what you want but referendums are a viable tool of democracy ,especially when it comes to important matters affecting nations.

Btw,i suggest you stop playing the racist card with me,this kind of attitude neither works on me nor does it work on most people anymore.Ignoring such problems out of fear of being called "racist" lead to these kind of siuations:

A story of rampant child abuse—ignored and abetted by the police—is emerging out of the British town of Rotherham. Until now, its scale and scope would have been inconceivable in a civilized country. Its origins, however, lie in something quite ordinary: what one Labour MP called “not wanting to rock the multicultural community boat.”

Why Did British Police Ignore Pakistani Gangs Abusing 1,400 Rotherham Children? Political Correctness - Forbes


Last but not least European nations are not the US ,they are nation states built upon the sacrifices of our forefathers who gave their lives time and time again so that the current nations can exist in their current forms.To suggest that we somehow should throw this away to accomodate more and more foreigners just because that's "modernity" is totally insane.We have every right to maintain a set of values and a certain demographic character within our nations.Everybody else seems to do it bar European/Western orientated countries.

People are not saying "throw the non whites out" ,people are saying "stop the current flow of immigrants,shut the gates and come down hard on those who challenge our values"

 

[papertiger]

It will look like a joke because those first-generation "immigrants" aren't 'immigrants' but people born and raised in Europe. European laws would apply on them, instead of 'sending them back', which is hilarious.

Where would you send white-members of gangs? A third generation German child joins a gang in UK..gets caught..what should be done? Send him back to Germany?!!! LAWL.

No wonder people like you don't get to hear their concerns..because you live in a fantasy world.

non-white, non-Christian European citizens of Europe are as much Europeans as you or any other European.

This is just a fact of life. You aren't living in stone-ages anymore.

So stop bringing up storm-front type excuses...

As for homosexuality, Christianity is a dead religion in West. It enjoys literally ZERO influence in society. Premarial Sex, drugs, materialism, bikinis, drinking, homosexuality, living in relationships outside marriage, and secular laws is nature of Western World. It is what who we are. Deal with it.

You can practice whatever you want at home (Me Islam, You christianity)..but for our culture...it can neither be Christian and definitely nor Islamic or any other faith.

Lastly, since when policies required "referendums" ? We are democratic societies. You don't want immigration to continue? Good. Vote for political parties that has similar stance. If majority of population think that immigrant is a massive issue, they'll put in power the parties who will share their stance. If not, then understand that you are not the voice of majority.

It is exact same here: Republicans want religion, conservatism, anti-Mexican rhetoric, no-gay-rights, no abortion for women and so on.

Majority of America doesn't want that.

Elections happen: Obama defeats Republicans.

And country moves forward with progressive laws towards gay marriage and immigration

Good post, from a Pak-background liberal, are you still Muslim? (I ask because of your Pakistani background)

Posts like these always remind me not to generalize about people.

 

[AUz]

What ? First generation immigrants are foreign born people who have received citizenship after they've immigrated.They are not born in Europe,i think you are confused.

Ok, sorry.

There's a difference of how we use this word here in United States.

The problem with political mainstream parties is that many promised to put an end to immigration but have pussyfooted when they arrived in power.As a personal case,even though i consider myself a nationalist i couldn't bring myself to vote for the extreme right wing in here simply because i consider them to insane,or,simply morons.That's the case in many places in Europe,people don't want immigration but can't bare themselves to simply vote the extreme right wing because they're to polluted.

Immigration levels of declined significantly over the decades in Europe.

Look it up.

Btw,i suggest you stop playing the racist card with me,this kind of attitude neither works on me nor does it work on most people anymore.Ignoring such problems out of fear of being called "racist" lead to these kind of siuations:

I never played the racist card. But majority of "anti-immigrant" voices--or rather the loudest voices--are that of neo-nazis in Europe. And you know it yourself.

@flamer84 Can you give me exact stats as to what percentage of Europeans are immigrants? Like by country or even over-all? Any data?

There are 65 million French, how many of em are from immigrant background/immigrants? Any data available?