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A different story emerges from Pakistan

Bill Longley

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WHAT CAN we do about Pakistan, you ask, the source of so many troubles for the United States? You wonder: Why can’t or won’t Pakistan eject the Taliban terrorists from their safe havens, or stop them from crossing the border to kill our boys in Afghanistan?

Let me be your guide. If you want to hear a different narrative, come with me for a visit into the so-called “lawless tribal territories’’ on the Northwest Frontier where Pakistan and Afghanistan meet. Here the trouble is that the Americans aren’t stopping the Taliban from crossing over from their safe havens in Afghanistan to attack Pakistan.

Come, you have been invited to lunch at the officers mess of the Bajaur Scouts, gleaming with the regimental silver and leftover traditions from the British who once tried, but never succeeded, in taming the Pashtun tribes. Semi-autonomous tribes traditionally rule themselves rather than be under the direct control of the government.

But first we must drive over the storied Malakand Pass, leaving behind, as Winston Churchill described it, “under the haze of heat’’ the flat lands, up where “the landscape is wild and rugged,’’ and down again into a broad valley like a cup.

“The country of the plains is left . . . A single step has led from peace to war . . . and we have we entered a strange land’’ he wrote a century ago, and it still holds true today. For then as now, Pashtun religious zealots, then called Ghazis and now called the Taliban, are making trouble in the tribal territories.

In 2008 they had just about taken over Bajaur on the Afghan border by killing elders, destroying schools, and imposing their strict brand of Islam. The 26th Regiment, and the Scouts, cleared, held, and now they are building. The casualties were heavier than most American units have suffered across the border in Kunar Province.

Unlike the regular army, the Scouts are all Pashtuns themselves. The British formed these frontier Scouts on the theory that it takes a Pashtun to catch a Pashtun. But the Scouts tell us that they had forgotten what their grandfathers and great grandfathers had known, and had to re-learn the guerrilla warfare of which the Taliban are masters.

Today Bajaur is all but pacified, at least for now. The markets are open, people can move freely, teachers are back in their schools. It’s a success story, and that’s why we have been invited here. Don’t be alarmed that we are escorted by pickups full of armed Scouts with machine guns mounted on the cabs. That’s just a precaution. You are not in danger, except, perhaps, “from suicidals,’’ the scouts say, or perhaps a roadside bomb.

Listen to the tribal “elders.’’ They once again represent tribal authority which the Taliban broke down. In town the Scouts have left one of the telephone poles which was refitted to be a gallows by the Taliban. You can see caves that the Taliban dug to hide in — “like the Viet Cong,’’ says one of the Scouts who has read about the tunnels of Cu Chi in Vietnam.

But come and look at this map. Those hatched marks are the bits where Taliban are still active, to be mopped up. There, straddling the border, there’s the weak point! The British drew the border separating members of the same tribe, so the tribesmen have always wandered back and forth at will.

No matter how successful the Scouts and the 26th Regiment have been in clearing out the Taliban from Bajaur, they say the Americans and the Afghan Army in Kunar Province aren’t preventing the Taliban from coming over from their safe havens in Afghanistan. It’s not for lack of will. It’s just the reality of porous borders and frontier fighting.

Whether Pakistan’s national leaders want to keep good relations with some Taliban in other parts of the frontier, as a hedge against when the Americans leave, is a matter above the Scouts’ pay grade. All they know is that Talibs from safe havens in Afghanistan are coming over to kill their boys.

Not quite what you’re hearing back home?

H.D.S. Greenway’s column appears regularly in the Globe.
A different story emerges from Pakistan - The Boston Globe
 
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This is a reality which no one understands from the American, NATO side or may be they know it but are keeping their eyes shut, which i believe is the case as they don't want to win in Afghanistan.

Its not just Bajaur, all across the border, Taliban move freely without any hindrance from the forces sitting across the border. They have surveillance equipment of the highest quality, satellites, attack helicopters, precision guided munitions, special forces equipped with whatever they want, so how hard it would be for the NATO forces to identify their crossing points, monitor them and whatever moves through them, attack it with their assets.

Even if they go from this side of the border, they are accommodated on that side of the border somewhere in Afghanistan, why not NATO identify those places and attack it and destroy it. Why not land SF guys on the routes they travel and ambush their parties which are trying to cross the border.

As said before, the will of NATO is not to win, they are here for some other purpose or have been brought for some other purpose.
 
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They can only weep about NWA

Some body tell them secure their border with Bajor , Mohmand , dir etc so that we can take troops out for NWA operation. Until then its impossible. Our security comes first
 
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They can only weep about NWA

Some body tell them secure their border with Bajor , Mohmand , dir etc so that we can take troops out for NWA operation. Until then its impossible. Our security comes first

I feel that our army is wasiting its energy out there.
Our finance and our brave soldiers are dying.
The taliban are seeking refuge in tunnels and in caves where even 50KG bombs wont have any effect.

 
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This is a reality which no one understands from the American, NATO side or may be they know it but are keeping their eyes shut, which i believe is the case as they don't want to win in Afghanistan.

Its not just Bajaur, all across the border, Taliban move freely without any hindrance from the forces sitting across the border. They have surveillance equipment of the highest quality, satellites, attack helicopters, precision guided munitions, special forces equipped with whatever they want, so how hard it would be for the NATO forces to identify their crossing points, monitor them and whatever moves through them, attack it with their assets.

Even if they go from this side of the border, they are accommodated on that side of the border somewhere in Afghanistan, why not NATO identify those places and attack it and destroy it. Why not land SF guys on the routes they travel and ambush their parties which are trying to cross the border.

As said before, the will of NATO is not to win, they are here for some other purpose or have been brought for some other purpose.


We know their purpose ..... everyone knows (who pressurize/use American and NATO forces) to stay in Afghanistan as much as they can (who have strong hold over US and US govt today) ... which one is the only country about whom US always defend that country in Secuirty council since last 60 years.. ... but now other countries also involve in this matter.

If u see general side its "WAR WITHOUT ANY OBJECTIVE" but if u see from Pakistan's side "WAR WITH SO MANY OBJECTIVE" one is clear "AS MUCH AS DESTABLIZE PAKISTAN".

Everyone knows who is our enemy and who is our and "Muslim" enemy.
 
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It should be mines and guarded with Unmanned Automated Gattling guns with Surveillance cameras attached .. Shoot almost anything which crosses over...!!!
 
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It should be mines and guarded with Unmanned Automated Gattling guns with Surveillance cameras attached .. Shoot almost anything which crosses over...!!!

You forgot the terminator robots !!!!!!!!
 
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This is a reality which no one understands from the American, NATO side or may be they know it but are keeping their eyes shut, which i believe is the case as they don't want to win in Afghanistan.

Its not just Bajaur, all across the border, Taliban move freely without any hindrance from the forces sitting across the border. They have surveillance equipment of the highest quality, satellites, attack helicopters, precision guided munitions, special forces equipped with whatever they want, so how hard it would be for the NATO forces to identify their crossing points, monitor them and whatever moves through them, attack it with their assets.

Even if they go from this side of the border, they are accommodated on that side of the border somewhere in Afghanistan, why not NATO identify those places and attack it and destroy it. Why not land SF guys on the routes they travel and ambush their parties which are trying to cross the border.

As said before, the will of NATO is not to win, they are here for some other purpose or have been brought for some other purpose.
salam
Tami bro sometime i thought i request to admin to de-promote you from mod to senior member:p:P so that you can share things more you currently do.
But then i thought who is going to clear the mess:police:
its a request,please tell our people an d yanks what this wot is all about.
 
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I wish we could just forget UN and mine and electric fence all our border with Afghanistan.....might be expensive but it will surely reduce the TTP frm crossing over.
 
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Even now, the Afghan Taliban took over the border posts previously manned by Afghan and Nato forces, truth is that as our ex-commandant stated: "America needs to do more".
Pakistan army anger at Nato border tactics after forcing militants out - Times Online

then who is playing double game

Pakistan who has sacrifsed thousands of time more or Americans and ISAF

or US and ISAF who intensionally are letting Nouristan and Kunar in hands of Takfiri Punjpiri Taliban to regroup and rest after committing terrorism in Pakistani areas.
 
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then who is playing double game

Pakistan who has sacrifsed thousands of time more or Americans and ISAF

or US and ISAF who intensionally are letting Nouristan and Kunar in hands of Takfiri Punjpiri Taliban to regroup and rest after committing terrorism in Pakistani areas.

I don't believe in the double game theory, rather I believe that the Americans just can't consolidate their position in Kunnar, which is a Taliban stronghold.
 
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