A different story emerges from Pakistan

[TaimiKhan]

I don't agree with your theory that Taliban had made any such offer to US. But one event is on record that Mullah omer had flatly refused to Interior Minister Moin ud din Haider to handover Lashkar jhangvi main culprit Riaz basra (who was enjoying Taliban's asylum after fled from jail).Even this man was given a death sentence by Supreme court for murder of Iranian Ambassador and many Shia persons in Pakistan.

Please don't expect any honor of words and principles from Taliban. This is the mullah who said that " we wouldn't quit Kabul","we wouldn't quit Kandhar" . But fled in 4*4s cruisers and leave the poor Pakistani jihadi and civilians for carpet bombing.
Sorry to say but i think Pakistani are living in Fool's paradise who still finding some "Good Taliban" from them.

Well its not my theory. Its something which has been said by very reliable sources, i am not making it up. Plz go through the links below:

George Monbiot: Dreamers and idiots | Politics | The Guardian

Wilson's Blogmanac: Taliban offered to hand over bin Laden

Bush rejects Taliban offer to hand Bin Laden over | World news | guardian.co.uk

9/11: Bin Laden Not Wanted 'Dead or Alive'

and many more you can google.

Well, atleast they should have given it a chance, should have given it a couple of weeks or waited for a month before starting the bombing campaign, so that world would have seen that US is not for blood for blood, but being a responsible democratic civilized nation wants to avert blood of innocent people, had the Taliban not done anything, no one would have said that US did not looked for some other way out.

And Iraqi WMD & AQ links lies are infront of us to tell what the US stands for, their actions have shown us that they are no better then Taliban or AQ.

 

[Zizou]

It really is amazing that with all the modern technology and surveillance ... some Talibans can ride on their bikes from so called safe heavens in Pakistan, carry out attacks all over Afghanistan and than ride back to Pakistan on honda 70cc's with all the warfare of 48 countries unable to do anything to stop them .... 40++ countries gathering on our borders just to catch few thousands Jihadis carrying AK47's ... SERIOUSLY ???? .... They are there for a reason and it wont be much of a problem for them to find an excuse ... Pakistan moment of truth is just around the corner but InshALLAH we will be ready ...

 

[Bill Longley]

Well its not my theory. Its something which has been said by very reliable sources, i am not making it up. Plz go through the links below:

George Monbiot: Dreamers and idiots | Politics | The Guardian

Wilson's Blogmanac: Taliban offered to hand over bin Laden

Bush rejects Taliban offer to hand Bin Laden over | World news | guardian.co.uk

9/11: Bin Laden Not Wanted 'Dead or Alive'

and many more you can google.

Well, atleast they should have given it a chance, should have given it a couple of weeks or waited for a month before starting the bombing campaign, so that world would have seen that US is not for blood for blood, but being a responsible democratic civilized nation wants to avert blood of innocent people, had the Taliban not done anything, no one would have said that US did not looked for some other way out.

And Iraqi WMD & AQ links lies are infront of us to tell what the US stands for, their actions have shown us that they are no better then Taliban or AQ.

according to de classified documents of State Department , even in 1998 Taliban offered to give OBL to third country for trail for 1998 bombings in US embassies
US Embassy in Islamabad

 

[mughaljee]

according to de classified documents of State Department , even in 1998 Taliban offered to give OBL to third country for trail for 1998 bombings in US embassies

yes i heard this many time, but us didn't accept the offer ?

 

[Bill Longley]

yes i heard this many time, but us didn't accept the offer ?

Document 2 - State 154712
U.S. Department of State, Cable, "Afghanistan: Taliban's Mullah Omar's 8/22 Contact with State Department," August 23, 1998, Confidential, NODIS, 4 pp. [Excised]

Taliban supreme leader Mullah Omar initiates a phone conversation to the U.S. Department of State, two days after the August 20, 1998 U.S. missile strike on Afghanistan and Sudan in retaliation for the terrorist attacks on U.S. embassies in Kenya and Tanzania. Mullah Omar speaks with U.S. director for Pakistan, Afghanistan, and Bangladesh Affairs (SA/PAB Director) Michael E. Malinowski. This phone call appears to be the only time Mullah Omar has spoken directly with a U.S. government official. Omar suggests President Clinton resign in order to restore U.S. popularity in the Islamic world and asserts the U.S. missile attack will spread bin Laden's anti-American message by uniting the fundamentalist Islamic world and will cause further terrorist attacks. He requests proof that bin Laden was involved in the Africa bombings, claiming he saw no evidence implicating bin Laden in terrorist activities since he has been afforded sanctuary in Afghanistan. Omar's rhetoric mirrors bin Laden's as he criticizes the U.S. for maintaining a military presence in Saudi Arabia, but Malinowski remarks that Omar "was in no way threatening." The document concludes that this unusual communication from the head of the Taliban "is indicative of the seriousness of how the Tall Ban [sic] views the U.S. strikes and our anger over bin Laden."

Mullah Omar Called Washington in 1998, New Documents Show

 

[seekers]

Well its not my theory. Its something which has been said by very reliable sources, i am not making it up. Plz go through the links below:

George Monbiot: Dreamers and idiots | Politics | The Guardian

Wilson's Blogmanac: Taliban offered to hand over bin Laden

Bush rejects Taliban offer to hand Bin Laden over | World news | guardian.co.uk

9/11: Bin Laden Not Wanted 'Dead or Alive'

and many more you can google.

Well, atleast they should have given it a chance, should have given it a couple of weeks or waited for a month before starting the bombing campaign, so that world would have seen that US is not for blood for blood, but being a responsible democratic civilized nation wants to avert blood of innocent people, had the Taliban not done anything, no one would have said that US did not looked for some other way out.

And Iraqi WMD & AQ links lies are infront of us to tell what the US stands for, their actions have shown us that they are no better then Taliban or AQ.

The Taliban would be ready to discuss handing over Osama bin Laden to a neutral country if the US halted the bombing of Afghanistan, a senior Taliban official said today.

Afghanistan's deputy prime minister, Haji Abdul Kabir, told reporters that the Taliban would require evidence that Bin Laden was behind the September 11 terrorist attacks in the US.

"If the Taliban is given evidence that Osama bin Laden is involved" and the bombing campaign stopped, "we would be ready to hand him over to a third country", Mr Kabir added.


Above lines are quote from one of your given link.
My friend! Half truth is more lethal than full lies.Taliban was not so innocent they were fully aware about 911 conspiracy of Al qaeda. They had demanding evidence to stop bombing at that time and get some favor of World specially the "innocence Muslim".

Same question was raised by one of Our most stupid politician in TV. talk show "US. must give evidence before attack".
Same answer had given by Talat Hussain which i mentioned in last post about Taliban background and their honor for Law and order.

So sorry to say that some fanatic still don't believe even after OBL admit and intent to do more attacks like 911 on west.

 

[Bill Longley]

The Taliban would be ready to discuss handing over Osama bin Laden to a neutral country if the US halted the bombing of Afghanistan, a senior Taliban official said today.

Afghanistan's deputy prime minister, Haji Abdul Kabir, told reporters that the Taliban would require evidence that Bin Laden was behind the September 11 terrorist attacks in the US.

"If the Taliban is given evidence that Osama bin Laden is involved" and the bombing campaign stopped, "we would be ready to hand him over to a third country", Mr Kabir added.


Above lines are quote from one of your given link.
My friend! Half truth is more lethal than full lies.Taliban was not so innocent they were fully aware about 911 conspiracy of Al qaeda. They had demanding evidence to stop bombing at that time and get some favor of World specially the "innocence Muslim".

Same question was raised by one of Our most stupid politician in TV. talk show "US. must give evidence before attack".
Same answer had given by Talat Hussain which i mentioned in last post about Taliban background and their honor for Law and order.

So sorry to say that some fanatic still don't believe even after OBL admit and intent to do more attacks like 911 on west.

so as for ur logic US should attack and destroy evil mullah regime in iran without providing any evedence

read my links

 

[TaimiKhan]

The Taliban would be ready to discuss handing over Osama bin Laden to a neutral country if the US halted the bombing of Afghanistan, a senior Taliban official said today.

Afghanistan's deputy prime minister, Haji Abdul Kabir, told reporters that the Taliban would require evidence that Bin Laden was behind the September 11 terrorist attacks in the US.

"If the Taliban is given evidence that Osama bin Laden is involved" and the bombing campaign stopped, "we would be ready to hand him over to a third country", Mr Kabir added.


Above lines are quote from one of your given link.
My friend! Half truth is more lethal than full lies.Taliban was not so innocent they were fully aware about 911 conspiracy of Al qaeda. They had demanding evidence to stop bombing at that time and get some favor of World specially the "innocence Muslim".

Same question was raised by one of Our most stupid politician in TV. talk show "US. must give evidence before attack".
Same answer had given by Talat Hussain which i mentioned in last post about Taliban background and their honor for Law and order.

So sorry to say that some fanatic still don't believe even after OBL admit and intent to do more attacks like 911 on west.

Read all the posts, the offer was made before and after the US bombing started.

Don't pick one article to satisfy your point of view.

 

[Jigs]

It has been going downhill for a while now. The Taliban have picked up considerable influence and numbers once again. The Surge seems to have been ineffective. Still the ANA must be trained and reconstruction efforts should continue.

 

[seekers]

so as for ur logic US should attack and destroy evil mullah regime in iran without providing any evedence

read my links

I don't expect such comment from your side.
Is Iran conduct 911/7,7 and other attacks in US. and Europe or give a safe heaven to Alqaeda leadership( who are killing thousand of Shia in Iraq, and Pakistan).????
Iranian president had never said that he would invade on US. even on Israel.Iran is supporting Hizbullah and Hamas in Lebanon & Palestine.These two organizations has no record of suicide attacks.
They both are defending their Nation with pride and lawfully .
Hizbullah had not fled and hide like Taliban when Israel attack on their country.They defend their country with courage and pride.

 

[Bill Longley]

It has been going downhill for a while now. The Taliban have picked up considerable influence and numbers once again. The Surge seems to have been ineffective. Still the ANA must be trained and reconstruction efforts should continue.

every thing went wrong because US thought it was god
now like it or not Taliban movement have changed into pashtun national struggle. there are only two options
1. reconcile with taliban
or
2. eliminate the pashtun race.

People in US are going for 2nd option thats why they are getting failures

 

[seekers]

Read all the posts, the offer was made before and after the US bombing started.

Don't pick one article to satisfy your point of view.

I have read two posts, both have same statements.
Taliban had demand Evidence, the people who has killed thousand of people in Afghanistan and Pakistan without any evidence that they were US. allies.
On the point of Satisfaction, You are not satisfy with one of your own giving link, and expect me to hit more.
Our Blindfold nation still want some miracle discovery of "Good Taliban" from garbage.

 

[Jigs]

every thing went wrong because US thought it was god
now like it or not Taliban movement have changed into pashtun national struggle. there are only two options
1. reconcile with taliban
or
2. eliminate the pashtun race.

People in US are going for 2nd option thats why they are getting failures

I wouldn't go that far. It isn't like Afghanistan is under taliban control. All major population zones are under ISAF control and as long as they stay under ANA control once U.S. combat operations end work can continue.

 

[sensenreason]

Americans are in Afghanistan becoz it borders Iran, Pakistan and China and is close to Russia and Central Asia and Middle East and India...all together..in one go.Its a central location.

- So its longitude and lattitude ie as a landing ground for any operation in the region
- to generate and manage drug trade that funds CIA puppet regime department
- to 'justify' the so-called war on terror
- to neutralise Chinese access to Gwadar port..as an end game.

I totally agree that this war is phony...how can the might of US Army and at times of NATO and Pak Army not identify and defeat over 10 years a few thousand guerellas armed with AK 47s...unless there are other reasons above.

 

[seekers]

every thing went wrong because US thought it was god
now like it or not Taliban movement have changed into pashtun national struggle. there are only two options
1. reconcile with taliban
or
2. eliminate the pashtun race.

People in US are going for 2nd option thats why they are getting failures

You have forget the Third option that was just after Russian withdraw.

3. Accept Semi-pushtoon or Non pushtoon Govt. in Afghanistan.

For your kind infornation hamid Karzai is also Pushtun and Northren Alliance sole representative has been kicked off with humiliation.

this was Northren Alliance leftover forces who had enable US. to get land from Taliban but they were be neglected after completion of task. US.is still focusing on pushtun in afghan forces against Taliban and have not find any postive result so far.