90-yr-old Dalit man burnt alive for trying to enter temple

[terry5]

R.I.P

 

[jamahir]

Also wanna add reservation was added because we were a poor nation and couldn't provide free and quality education to the poor at that time plus tertiary sector wasn't big enough to provide opportunity for most but now times have changed but our policy haven't make no mistake these Govt schools are provided with money but the corruption at all levels are not letting them utilize it. And Govts instead of fighting corruption here are happy to proceed that old system of reservation.

@Spectre

i will add these additionally to your points...

1. free and quality education to everyone ( not only the poor ) and of their natural choice.

2. there need not exist a separate class called the desperately poor whose only recourse would be to overburdened and low-quality service, whether it be in medical treatment or in education.

3. for more than 10 years now, india has become the largest importer of weaponary ( most western ) in the world... rather than inflate the indian military, the idea should have been to reduce it and put the saved resources majorly into a place where most things are free and of high-quality... sadly, priorities have been nationalistic ( outward posturing ) and wrong rather than being of self-improvement.

 

[Stag112]

Dalits voted for BJP in the last election.

This is expected in all non BJP ruled states. Unless they are scared and persecuted, them pesky Dalits don't vote right.

 

[Luca1]

North india is worst places for dalits.
Its my opinion

Casre system is bad for Dalits. It should be eliminated.

 

[jamahir]

Step 1. Universalized comprehensive and unique bio-metric database so that everyone is documented with regards to important parameters like income, demographic profile, etc - would also make PAN Cards redundant

pan cards were only a recent introduction to a unnecessary long existent system of extracting taxes from a burdened citizenry.

there was the proposal from a poona group about removing the what, 40+ types of taxes... that should be the way.

as for the bio-database, it should be no problem, and it will remove the duplicating work of having census of the same people every ten years.

Step 2. Connect everyone to banking system - this would also reduce dependence on shadow economy.

well, yes... every citizen from 14 years of age should have a bank account.

but this would still be incomplete as long as banks extract interest, private banks exist and banks lend for reasons that shouldn't either exist ( 600 guest weddings, regular pilgrimages, festival arrangement etc ) or should be free ( housing, education, medical treatement ).

probably half of suiciding farmers took loans from either nationalized banks or the new-style corporate banks... remaining from the sahukars or micro-credit companies like sks microfinance... you know, even after so many deaths happened because of sks microfinance, the company not only exists but also happily gets share-traded in the bombay stock exchange... how can that be possible??

so about banks specifically, (a). there should be only one bank in india, administered by the state, (b). every person from 14 years of age should have a account, (c). interest-based loans should be abolished.

banks should not exist to make money off people's misery or off those basic necessities that should be free in the first place.

Step 4. Identify the most economically backward clusters or individuals and provide them with the requisite educational reservations, housing benefits, jobs etc - in short social security cover

housing i have described above and the education and jobs connection i have described here ( 90-yr-old Dalit man burnt alive for trying to enter temple | Page 3 ).

the entire system should be simplified to the maximum extent possible.

Step 5. Make reservations and subsidies time bound. If the individual or cluster is unable to lift itself out of extreme poverty - then look for causes - Illness, Substance Abuse etc. Those who have been successfully mainstreamed should be removed from benefits system. Would discourage rent seeking behavior as analysis will clearly seperate those who are lazy and indolent from those who are in genuine need.

hmm, this argument of what work is and how should a scientific employment system be brought about deserves its own thread, i would say.

 

[NIA]

Casre system is bad for Dalits. It should be eliminated.

Ye it should be eliminated from mind of citizen.

 

[Spectre]

pan cards were only a recent introduction to a unnecessary long existent system of extracting taxes from a burdened citizenry.

there was the proposal from a poona group about removing the what, 40+ types of taxes... that should be the way.

as for the bio-database, it should be no problem, and it will remove the duplicating work of having census of the same people every ten years.



well, yes... every citizen from 14 years of age should have a bank account.

but this would still be incomplete as long as banks extract interest, private banks exist and banks lend for reasons that shouldn't either exist ( 600 guest weddings, regular pilgrimages, festival arrangement etc ) or should be free ( housing, education, medical treatement ).

probably half of suiciding farmers took loans from either nationalized banks or the new-style corporate banks... remaining from the sahukars or micro-credit companies like sks microfinance... you know, even after so many deaths happened because of sks microfinance, the company not only exists but also happily gets share-traded in the bombay stock exchange... how can that be possible??

so about banks specifically, (a). there should be only one bank in india, administered by the state, (b). every person from 14 years of age should have a account, (c). interest-based loans should be abolished.

banks should not exist to make money off people's misery or off those basic necessities that should be free in the first place.



housing i have described above and the education and jobs connection i have described here ( 90-yr-old Dalit man burnt alive for trying to enter temple | Page 3 ).

the entire system should be simplified to the maximum extent possible.



hmm, this argument of what work is and how should a scientific employment system be brought about deserves its own thread, i would say.

Thank you for your reply - I agree about SKS micro-finance - in any just society the company would have been black-listed and promoters put behind bars. What happened was shylocking with it's worst of inferences.

However it was not done because there was huge racket going on regarding - Priority sector lending and onlending to Micro - Finance - Many private banks who had to compulsory lend 40% of the total advances to priority sector used to get away with far less by on-lending to microfinance companies like SKS which used to further lend to priority sector at exhoribant rates. Thankfully this loophole was closed by RBI but that does not excuse the crimes.

Regarding charging interest - I would not go so far as free credit would be massively miss-utilized. Interest rates put a cost on money and while that should be just abolishing them is just asking for lazy citizenry dependent on hand outs and would ultimately lead to bankruptcy of the lending institution.

 

[Joe Shearer]

I'm sure @Joe Shearer will be more interested in listening to this story.

I read the story. I have only contempt for the narrow-minded, mean-spirited sorts who wanted the affirmative action discontinued.

 

[Whazzup]

I read the story. I have only contempt for the narrow-minded, mean-spirited sorts who wanted the affirmative action discontinued.

Yes thats the whole point it should be replaced with a better one which can actually bring equality rather than giving false promises.

 

[baajey]

and what will bjp do??

Save cows n ban everything else

 

[bongbang]

India is a land of Dalit, Adivashi, Buddhists and Muslims. Hindus should respect that.

 

[Kaniska]

Unfortunate and barbaric...i would like to ashame myself to say that yes, we are still now barbaric and behave like an animal where people are get killed because someone ate beef and some one is of lower caste....

A 90-year-old Dalit man died after he was brutally attacked with an axe and set on fire for trying to enter a temple at Hamirpur in Uttar Pradesh, police said on Friday.

The victim, identified as Chimma, had gone to the Maidani Baba temple with his wife, son Durjan and brother on Wednesday evening. He was stopped from entering the temple by a man named Sanjay Tiwari.

When Chimma did not relent, Tiwari allegedly attacked him with an axe and then set him on fire.

The incident took place in the presence of several other worshippers in Bilgaon, a village on the boundary between Hamirpur and Jalaun districts located 140km from Kanpur.

Police said Tiwari had been arrested after he was nabbed by other people present in the area. They said he was drunk at the time of the incident.

An eyewitness said Tiwari had asked Chimma and several others not to enter the temple but they refused.

He said Tiwari became furious and attacked the Dalit man with an axe. While Chimma’s wife screamed for help, Tiwari doused the elderly man with kerosene and set him afire, the eyewitness said.

Two aides of Tiwari, who were named in the FIR filed by police, are on the run, said Mukesh Aghi, president of the US-Indian Business Council.

90-yr-old Dalit man burnt alive for trying to enter temple in UP | india | Hindustan Times

 

[Luca1]

Ye it should be eliminated from mind of citizen.

Remove them in reality. Full integration. Make it illegal for people of same caste to marry one another. It will be gone in one generation.

 

[OTTOMAN]

North india is worst places for dalits.
Its my opinion

#Kashmir ?

 

[Kaniska]

#Kashmir ?

Worst place to live in...Islamic radicals infested everywhere....Now does it make you happy??? ENjoy then...