90 Paratroopers vs. 2000 Jihadists: Russia Marks 20 Years Since Unit’s Last Stand in Chechnya

[Big Tank]

Other than Indian/Bangali propaganda, provide any other evidence to your claim:"Even PA did shiz in East Pak"

The propaganda was about mass murderers and millions of civilians dead which is not true. However, we did to shit there and everybody knows. Have you ever met some 1971 War Vet? Have you read any book on that?

There are 5 books I've read on East Pak, all of them by former military authors and all of them did confirm that some of the units take out innocent civilians and did rape some women. Gen Niazi had his special hate towards Bangalis which even resulted in a suicide committed by Loyal Bengali Major in the Army when in the control room, Niazi said "Men in Bangalion ki nasal badal donga". I do hope that you're grown enough to understand this, the Bangali Major present at the time went into the toilet and shot himself.

Gen Khadim Hussain Raja in his book "Stranger in my own country" about East Pak confirms that when Gen Niazi came to take charge, Gen Khadim was briefing him about the intense situation to which he replied "Yar ye sab ham dekh lengy, tum pehle apni girlfriends ka number do". To which Khadim replied, "we don't do all that here".

Later on, there were Intelligence reports about Gen Niazi having s*xual affairs with foreign journalists in exchange of information, he openly had s*x in Flagstaff house. Later he used to say to his JCO's "yar ab banda s*x karne bhi lahore jae kya?", which would result in a massive laughter by the JCOs. He openly influenced them to use Bengali women. This is also confirmed by the Authors.

A General who passes rape jokes to his JCOs, is horny all the time and a sexual predator, hates the Bengali race in general, you expect his troops to behave with women? If you say yes, then either you need to read more or meet some people around.

My late granduncle was serving in the IB at that time and spent his time in captivity as well. He also confirmed such acts being committed.

Propaganda did exist, it doesn't mean nothing happened. It was just exaggerated.

Hi,

And how many gunship helicopters were used---.

And in syria---what did 2 american apache helicopters did to the russian troops---what is it---slaughtered about 300 to 400 of them---. The russians were claiming to be helpless against the american gunships---.

300-400 is a huge number which isn't true. There were 40 troops dead who were Russian Contractors from PMC Wagner.

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

Just amazing how Russia is kind to Muslims mashallah
Time to accept new reality Russia is Kind to Muslims

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

On March 1 Russian President Vladimir Putin and Defence Minister Sergei Shoigu paid tribute to the paratroopers of the Sixth Company of the Pskov Airborne Division - marking twenty years since the Battle for Height 776 which was one of the concluding battles of the Second Chechen War. The battle saw 90 paratroopers stationed at the Argun River gorge face an estimated 2000-2500 jihadist militants, which included both local fighters and militants from the Arab Mujahideen in Chechnya. The battle is commemorated in Russia today as an example of self sacrifice and courage in the face of overwhelming odds, with the paratroopers holding their ground to the end and seeing 84 of their number killed. Russian sources claim between 400 and 700 jihadist militants were killed in the engagement, despite the limited air and artillery support its forces had enjoyed.

Russian President Vladimir Putin and Defence Minister Sergei Shoigu

President Putin met with the relatives of the deceased troopers and attended a church memorial service, stating regarding the loss “we commemorate the brave paratroopers, play tribute to their courage and their heroic deed. They stood in the way of hundreds of militants and entered their last battle as true heroes, staying true to the best traditions of their brothers-in-arms that are held dear by all generations of airborne troops.” Arab jihadists in the engagement were led by Ibn Al Khattab, a prominent Saudi warlord, and Abu Al Walid, another jihadist commander also of Saudi origin.
https://militarywatchmagazine.com/a...russia-marks-20-years-since-unit-s-last-stand

Big deal!........Pakistan has been facing a huge ugly monster that is more than 7× bigger than us and has the full backing of the West and Russia for nearly 73 years and yet we are still standing and prospering. If the Russian Air force didn't assist those paratroopers the Chechens would have been having them for lunch or dinner.

 

[Malik Alpha]

Main thing is they are all Happy Russians and Russia has been kind to Muslims

I mean how wonderful is this , Ramzan Kadyrov = Chechyan

Lol I am sure deep inside even Khabib hates him. Btw Khabib is from Dagestan another Muslim autonomous region which have nothing to do with Ruski vodka lovers.

Imam Shamil: A pioneer of the Caucuses's struggle for freedom

An agreement made between the Russians and Imam Shamil forced him to go to Istanbul with his companions. He was hosted by Ottoman Sultan Abdu00fclaziz I in Istanbul.
BY EKREM BUĞRA EKINCI
AUG 28, 2015 12:00 AM
As a member of a noble Avar family, Imam Shamil burned the fire of independence in Dagestan against its Russian oppressors by uniting local tribes. When he was captured after 25 years of heroic resistance, Russian Tsar Alexander II personally met with him and even admired him for his resistance
The area between the Black Sea and the Caspian Sea is known as Dagestan and Caucasia. For centuries, adamant tribes lived an autonomous life in this mountainous location where dozens of ethnicities, languages and their dialects exist today. Islam arrived in this region from two sides. Georgians, Laz and Circassians living in the Caucasus became Muslim through the Ottomans. Dagestan was already introduced to Islam through Arab merchants in the early centuries of the rise of Islam. Being pressured between the Russian and Persian Empires over years, Caucasus and Dagestan got closer to the Ottomans. Unable to stand against imperial Russia's goals, Muslims in the Caucasus migrated to Anatolia in masses from 1864. The relations between Dagestan and Muslims in the Ottoman Empire date back longer. For some time in the 16th century Dagestan was an Ottoman province. From 1747 onward, Dagestan was invaded by the Russians. The Russian army under Gen. Aleksey Petrovich Yermolov suppressed the people's resistance in 1819. In 1830, tribes in Dagestan declared jihad against Russia. Imam Shamil was the legendary figure who led resistance against the Russians. Born in 1797, Imam Shamil was the son of a religious and noble Avar family. Avars are a native Caucasian ethnic group that lives in the north Caucasus between the Black Sea and Caspian Sea. Earlier Avars were a Turkic community that established a khaganate extending from Central Asia to central Europe in the sixth century. They laid siege to Istanbul and crossed the Bosporus on horseback. The Avars came apart after Frankish attacks in 805 and mingled among local people in Eastern Europe and the Balkans. Some of them, who settled in Dagestan, learned local language of Lezgi people and adopted Islam in the 13th Century. Belonging to an ethnicity that marked such history was something like a harbinger of Imam Shamil's bright life. His name was changed from Ali to Shamil because he frequently got sick, and according to a folk tradition, changing someone's name brings health. After Shamil got a traditional education in his village, he was enlightened by Jamaluddin al-Ghumuqi, a sheikh from the Naqshbandi sufi order. He married Ghumuqi's daughter and later went to Damascus to meet Ghumuqi's famous teacher Khalid al-Baghdadi. Shamil gained an advanced level of knowledge in religious sciences. When he returned home, he took part in the resistance against the Russian Empire facilitated by his childhood friend Ghazi Muhammad. Russian forces killed his friend in 1832. When Hamza Bek, who led counterattacks after Ghazi Muhammad's death, was also killed in 1834, Dagestan mujahidin chose Shamil, who was 39 years old then, as their imam. Shamil re-organized the mujahidin. With a height over 2 meters, an athletic appearance, strength, knowledge, articulation and an unbreakable faith, he gained the trust of people around him. He formed a fully-established military unit against the Russians. These mujahidin became a nightmare for Russian armies. Russians responded with crowded military forces and heavy weapons to Shamil's defiance with basic arms from 1834-1859. The glorious resistance in the Caucasus was heard all around the world. He established regents in the areas under his control. Five regents formed a province. An emir was assigned to each province responsible for religious and life affairs. Regents collected taxes and soldiers as well as acting as judges. In each village, a 'qadi' (Islamic judge) was in charge responsible for maintaining security, writing correspondences to regents and declaring orders to the public. Each regent was also responsible of looking after 300 cavalry men. In villages, a soldier was taken from each 10 homes and his family would be held not to pay taxes. The number of mujahidin reached 5,000 people in 1843. All men aged 15 to 50 had to be adept at horsemanship and using arms because they protected their homes by themselves from attacks. Imam Shamil provided arms partially from both the Ottomans and Persians. However, they had an old, big arms manufacturing plant built in a rocky area in Kubachi. Imam Shamil had almost a 1,000-member special guard unit. They used to wear green turbans on a papakha made of galyak – fetal lamb pelt. Soldiers appeared in yellow Caucasian attire while officers wore traditional clothes in black. The group's sign was a square-shaped ash gray rag placed on the front of their hats. Single soldiers were not allowed to marry while married soldiers were forbidden to meet their families during military service. They took a share from captured treasure. Imam Shamil's military forces became famous among the public as whichever village they went to, locals competed to treat them. The Dargi War was the most famous victory of Imam Shamil's against Russian Imperial forces. A Russian army of 150,000 soldiers surrounded Dagestan and blocked the roads. Following a significant loss, Mikhail Semyonovich Vorontsov, the leader of an advance guard with 18,000 soldiers heading to Imam Shamil's headquarters had to drawback from Dargi on July 25, 1845. Three generals, 195 officers and 3,433 soldiers were killed by Imam Shamil's forces. Vorontsov attempted to burn forests, which he saw as a big advantage for Shamil, yet failed. In 1851, Hadji Murat, a regent of Imam Shamil, joined the Russian forces. Hadji Murat, who escaped with regret and then died tragically, was the protagonists of Leo Tolstoy's famous namesake novel. Tsar Nicholas I of Russia twice wanted to personally meet Imam Shamil, whom he admired. Imam Shamil sent a refusal to the tsar's letter full of endless promises and bright offers. He was persistent in war and even further declared penalties on those who offered to negotiate with the Russians. Meanwhile, Shamil's mother, who heard about Muslim villagers being tortured by Russians from two Chechens, asked her son to make an agreement with the Russians. It was a very famous account that Imam Shamil ordered 100 strokes of the cane for his mother as punishment, yet it was applied to him as he did not find it in his heart to carry out the punishment on her. After the Crimean War in 1854 during which Imam Shamil's military forces supported the Ottoman army, Russians blocked the roads through where Shamil supplied arms. Russian forces bought some tribes unable to resist. Chechnya fell following a two-year struggle. Small groups left Imam Shamil afterward and Dagestan was entirely surrounded. Still fighting against the Russians, Imam Shamil reached Gunib, a fortified village in Dagestan, with his family. He protected the fortress with his 400 soldiers, yet their number reduced to 100 following artillery fire from 14 well-armed Russian battalions. On Sept. 6, 1859, Imam Shamil surrendered with his two sons.An agreement made between the Russians and Imam Shamil forced him to go to Istanbul with his companions. On the other side, Russians would not collect soldiers in Dagestan. However, Prince Baryatinski, the battle's victorious commander, did not keep his promise. Imam Shamil was brought to St. Petersburg. Tsar Alexander II of Russia tried to please him with an unprecedented ceremony. During the feast in honor of Imam Shamil, the tsar said: 'I am proudly honored to host you at our table.' Upon the tsar's words, Shamil said: 'I would feel honored, if I welcomed you at my table.' Following a 10-year obligatory residence in Kaluga, Imam Shamil was allowed to go Hejaz to observe his pilgrimage. He was hosted by Ottoman Sultan Abdülaziz in Istanbul and Khedive Ismail Pasha in Egypt. Shamil could not return to Istanbul after his pilgrimage and died in Medina in 1871. He was buried in the Maqbaratul Baqī' (Baqi Cemetery in Medina). Imam Shamil's son Ghazi Muhammad Pasha entered the Ottoman Empire's service. He managed the cavalry brigade on the Caucasus front during the 1877 Russo-Turkish War. His other son, Shafi, who was captured by the Russians, became the tsar's aide-de-camp and a Russian general. Said Shamil, his grandson from his youngest son Kamil Pasha, fought for the independence of Dagestan from 1918-1921, yet failed. He died in Istanbul in 1981. The memories of Imam Shamil continued to live in the heart of Muslim communities, especially those that lived under the captivity of Russia.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.da...eer-of-the-caucusess-struggle-for-freedom/amp

Great Imam Shamil the symbol of resistance and freedom for the Caucasus region.

May Allah grant him the highest place in Jannah.

 

[PakFactor]

The propaganda was about mass murderers and millions of civilians dead which is not true. However, we did to shit there and everybody knows. Have you ever met some 1971 War Vet? Have you read any book on that?

There are 5 books I've read on East Pak, all of them by former military authors and all of them did confirm that some of the units take out innocent civilians and did rape some women. Gen Niazi had his special hate towards Bangalis which even resulted in a suicide committed by Loyal Bengali Major in the Army when in the control room, Niazi said "Men in Bangalion ki nasal badal donga". I do hope that you're grown enough to understand this, the Bangali Major present at the time went into the toilet and shot himself.

Gen Khadim Hussain Raja in his book "Stranger in my own country" about East Pak confirms that when Gen Niazi came to take charge, Gen Khadim was briefing him about the intense situation to which he replied "Yar ye sab ham dekh lengy, tum pehle apni girlfriends ka number do". To which Khadim replied, "we don't do all that here".

Later on, there were Intelligence reports about Gen Niazi having s*xual affairs with foreign journalists in exchange of information, he openly had s*x in Flagstaff house. Later he used to say to his JCO's "yar ab banda s*x karne bhi lahore jae kya?", which would result in a massive laughter by the JCOs. He openly influenced them to use Bengali women. This is also confirmed by the Authors.

A General who passes rape jokes to his JCOs, is horny all the time and a sexual predator, hates the Bengali race in general, you expect his troops to behave with women? If you say yes, then either you need to read more or meet some people around.

My late granduncle was serving in the IB at that time and spent his time in captivity as well. He also confirmed such acts being committed.

Propaganda did exist, it doesn't mean nothing happened. It was just exaggerated.



300-400 is a huge number which isn't true. There were 40 troops dead who were Russian Contractors from PMC Wagner.

I didn't know this much was done -- I guess we were punished for having faggots like Niazi in the army.

Can you give a list of books to read on this and what went on please.

Also you mentioned a family member was IB - what's IB?

 

[Big Tank]

I didn't know this much was done -- I guess we were punished for having faggots like Niazi in the army.

Can you give a list of books to read on this and what went on please.

Also you mentioned a family member was IB - what's IB?

IB means Intelligence Bureau. An Agency that operates within the country. My late granduncle was serving in the IB's Dhaka HQ at that time. He was took prisoner by the Indian Army but he successfully pretended to be a Local Police Officer which kept him safe from brutal interrogation.

I'll list few I remember:

A Stranger in my own country - Gen Raja Khadim Hussain

Mene Dhaka Dobte Dekha - Brig Siddique Salik

Hamma Yara Dozakh - Brig Siddiqui Salik

The Separation of East Pakistan - Hasan Zaheer

How Pakistan Got Divided - General Rao Farman Ali

 

[PakFactor]

IB means Intelligence Bureau. An Agency that operates within the country. My late granduncle was serving in the IB's Dhaka HQ at that time. He was took prisoner by the Indian Army but he successfully pretended to be a Local Police Officer which kept him safe from brutal interrogation.

I'll list few I remember:

A Stranger in my own country - Gen Raja Khadim Hussain

Mene Dhaka Dobte Dekha - Brig Siddique Salik

Hamma Yara Dozakh - Brig Siddiqui Salik

The Separation of East Pakistan - Hasan Zaheer

How Pakistan Got Divided - General Rao Farman Ali

Thanks, I will download and read these, while in lock down in US.

 

[Big Tank]

Thanks, I will download and read these, while in lock down in US.

Sure do. You'll get to know the reality of why when and where about the separation of East Pak.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

On March 1 Russian President Vladimir Putin and Defence Minister Sergei Shoigu paid tribute to the paratroopers of the Sixth Company of the Pskov Airborne Division - marking twenty years since the Battle for Height 776 which was one of the concluding battles of the Second Chechen War. The battle saw 90 paratroopers stationed at the Argun River gorge face an estimated 2000-2500 jihadist militants, which included both local fighters and militants from the Arab Mujahideen in Chechnya. The battle is commemorated in Russia today as an example of self sacrifice and courage in the face of overwhelming odds, with the paratroopers holding their ground to the end and seeing 84 of their number killed. Russian sources claim between 400 and 700 jihadist militants were killed in the engagement, despite the limited air and artillery support its forces had enjoyed.

Russian President Vladimir Putin and Defence Minister Sergei Shoigu

President Putin met with the relatives of the deceased troopers and attended a church memorial service, stating regarding the loss “we commemorate the brave paratroopers, play tribute to their courage and their heroic deed. They stood in the way of hundreds of militants and entered their last battle as true heroes, staying true to the best traditions of their brothers-in-arms that are held dear by all generations of airborne troops.” Arab jihadists in the engagement were led by Ibn Al Khattab, a prominent Saudi warlord, and Abu Al Walid, another jihadist commander also of Saudi origin.
https://militarywatchmagazine.com/a...russia-marks-20-years-since-unit-s-last-stand

So let's do some simple maths -

Populations

• Russia - 144 million
• Chechnya - 1.3 million

I am not very good at maths but even I can see Russia has over 100:1 advantage in population against Chechens. And Russia has large military. So exactly how did it happen that on the ground a tactical situation developed where 90 paratroopers became overwhelmed by 2000 jihadists? This points to gross incompetence or sexing up of the facts. Chances are there were 90 paratroopers but on their flanks they would have had 10,000 conscripts, artillery, helicopters, air assault forces, airforce support. Or were they all enjoying Orthodox New Year and drunk drinking Vodka?

 

[khansaheeb]

The propaganda was about mass murderers and millions of civilians dead which is not true. However, we did to shit there and everybody knows. Have you ever met some 1971 War Vet? Have you read any book on that?

There are 5 books I've read on East Pak, all of them by former military authors and all of them did confirm that some of the units take out innocent civilians and did rape some women. Gen Niazi had his special hate towards Bangalis which even resulted in a suicide committed by Loyal Bengali Major in the Army when in the control room, Niazi said "Men in Bangalion ki nasal badal donga". I do hope that you're grown enough to understand this, the Bangali Major present at the time went into the toilet and shot himself.

Gen Khadim Hussain Raja in his book "Stranger in my own country" about East Pak confirms that when Gen Niazi came to take charge, Gen Khadim was briefing him about the intense situation to which he replied "Yar ye sab ham dekh lengy, tum pehle apni girlfriends ka number do". To which Khadim replied, "we don't do all that here".

Later on, there were Intelligence reports about Gen Niazi having s*xual affairs with foreign journalists in exchange of information, he openly had s*x in Flagstaff house. Later he used to say to his JCO's "yar ab banda s*x karne bhi lahore jae kya?", which would result in a massive laughter by the JCOs. He openly influenced them to use Bengali women. This is also confirmed by the Authors.

A General who passes rape jokes to his JCOs, is horny all the time and a sexual predator, hates the Bengali race in general, you expect his troops to behave with women? If you say yes, then either you need to read more or meet some people around.

My late granduncle was serving in the IB at that time and spent his time in captivity as well. He also confirmed such acts being committed.

Propaganda did exist, it doesn't mean nothing happened. It was just exaggerated.



300-400 is a huge number which isn't true. There were 40 troops dead who were Russian Contractors from PMC Wagner.

Never heard this sh!t before and is most likely slander as no one had the courage to confront him at the time.

 

[Kaniska]

Name an Army which didnt commit rapes, massacres during an invasion.

Not siding with Russians, their army is another side of the Americans but name one. Even PA did shiz in East Pak. And so did the glorious Islamic invading Dictators of past like the Persians and Turks

How can you admit such things on PDF???? Are you still in right frame of your mind??

 

[Nasr]

On March 1 Russian President Vladimir Putin and Defence Minister Sergei Shoigu paid tribute to the paratroopers of the Sixth Company of the Pskov Airborne Division - marking twenty years since the Battle for Height 776 which was one of the concluding battles of the Second Chechen War. The battle saw 90 paratroopers stationed at the Argun River gorge face an estimated 2000-2500 jihadist militants, which included both local fighters and militants from the Arab Mujahideen in Chechnya. The battle is commemorated in Russia today as an example of self sacrifice and courage in the face of overwhelming odds, with the paratroopers holding their ground to the end and seeing 84 of their number killed. Russian sources claim between 400 and 700 jihadist militants were killed in the engagement, despite the limited air and artillery support its forces had enjoyed.

Russian President Vladimir Putin and Defence Minister Sergei Shoigu

President Putin met with the relatives of the deceased troopers and attended a church memorial service, stating regarding the loss “we commemorate the brave paratroopers, play tribute to their courage and their heroic deed. They stood in the way of hundreds of militants and entered their last battle as true heroes, staying true to the best traditions of their brothers-in-arms that are held dear by all generations of airborne troops.” Arab jihadists in the engagement were led by Ibn Al Khattab, a prominent Saudi warlord, and Abu Al Walid, another jihadist commander also of Saudi origin.
https://militarywatchmagazine.com/a...russia-marks-20-years-since-unit-s-last-stand

The "Jahidists" as they are called or are referred to, are all ignorant buffoons. There is no difference between them and the idiots fighting in Syria, Libya and Iraq. A true Muslim would know better than fight without true leadership and true leadership in the Islamic

 

[Big Tank]

How can you admit such things on PDF???? Are you still in right frame of your mind??

Admit what? You think that's a secret lol?

Where are you living?

 

[BL33D]

Admit what? You think that's a secret lol?

Where are you living?

I agree, thinks might have been exaggerated. But horrible things happened to Bangladeshi's. Things that India took advantage off and played its card well.

 

[Malik Alpha]

The "Jahidists" as they are called or are referred to, are all ignorant buffoons. There is no difference between them and the idiots fighting in Syria, Libya and Iraq. A true Muslim would know better than fight without true leadership and true leadership in the Islamic

They were real Mujahideens who fought against these crusaders while you are an ignorant coward buffon who I am 100 percent sure wont even miss a chance to run away from a battlefield even if it is to save your own home or country.

What leadership you are waiting for to defend your own land and dignity?
Ameer Khattab, Shamil Basayev and many other Mujahideens made your mighty Russian heroes look like chickens even with limited support from outside and zero air support.

Now here I am posting a video of Ameer Khattab so you would know what a true Jihadi believes in.

At the end of video the translation is off regarding the Quranic verse. It starts with 'If they attack you...'

This guy killed 100s of Russian soldiers and in the end they had to take him out by poison because they couldn't kill him in a fight.
Now learn about these men who died with honor and instilled great fear in the heart of enemies. Dont belittle their sacrifices to appease these lying vodka crusaders.