75-80% Bangladeshis are anti-Indian : BNP leader

[kobiraaz]

Why does this never find mention, by any American or Western critic of standing? Or is it a commonplace in their discussions, and we have missed it because we are not invited to such high-level discussions?



Nowhere in the world does an alien government deal direct with the people rather than with the government of a neighbouring or of another country. It is for Bangladesh to monitor its own ecological security; India does so, very effectively, by ensuring ecological clearance. What is it that you expect us to? To run a plebiscite in Bangladesh every time the two governments come to a point of agreement? Or invite the BNP to the discussions and effectively convert the government to a national coalition government?

I do not know..I do not have anyone else to blame. My own Govt. is behaving like this.

 

[Joe Shearer]

of the or to the?

Anyway You enjoy the phenomenon when Afghanistan, Phillipine, Vietnam and Japan show it? International relationships work like this. Powerful countries try to control their backyards and smaller countries react.



during this government if anyone asks me openly about India and Pakistan, I would also vote for India.

To be perfectly honest, even that catastrophe might not affect Indian policy; it might not even affect Indian public opinion.

let us revisit few points

A photo of refugees in India
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A closer look will tell you that almost all of them were hindus. It was aa systemic genocide against Hindus. And we Muslims of Bengal considered them Bengali not Hindus and fought for their honor. Anyway Thank you for hosting our refugees. We are forever indebted for that.

2. Thank you for leaving BD at the request of Sheikh Mujib as early as possible.

3. Thank you for land swaps which helped both Indians and Bangladeshis. Not a one sided affair

4. Thank you for maritime boundary agreement. However all the decisions were taken by a court of Arbitration and we got what we deaerve.


And Now you said you have done nothing wrong. let us see.

1. Insurgency in CTG with RAW help. There are books and confession from RAW agents.

2. Farakka Dam that turned Northern BD desert.

3. Refusing to sign any treaty regarding Teesta

4. Protecting A not so democratic Government

5. Also Rise of RSS Hindutva ideology has a negative effect on us.

I do not blame India for border shootings though. Smuggle Beef at own risk. However Killing a teenage girl isn't a sign of friendly neighbor.

Sure, let us revisit a few points. But before we get there, let me ask you a basic question: how old were you in 1971?

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

Pew doesnt agree with your dumb nonsense:

That survey is questionable, only 30% view Pakistan as favorable in China?

Come on, some Chinese have no idea about the geopolitics, so they couldn't give a valid opinion.

But now more Chinese are getting interested about the geopolitics, and the majority of them overwhelmingly favor Pakistan, Bangladesh, and many other developing countries.

Most Chinese who understand geopolitics don't like countries like USA and Japan.

If you believe that the US media has rigged the polls in favor of HRC, then why this kind of polls cannot be rigged?

 

[kobiraaz]

how old were you in 1971?

I am 20+ A child in front of you. but Books are ageless.

Anyway Do you have any idea where Tiki Tiki Tam is?

 

[Nilgiri]

That survey is questionable, only 30% view Pakistan as favorable in China?

Come on, some Chinese have no idea about the geopolitics, so they couldn't give a valid opinion.

But now more Chinese are getting interested about the geopolitics, and the majority of them overwhelmingly favor Pakistan, Bangladesh, and many other developing countries.

Most Chinese who understand geopolitics don't like countries like USA and Japan.

If you believe that the US media has rigged the polls in favor of HRC, then why this kind of polls cannot be rigged?

Same can be said about any country. But these are at least more believable than a straw sample in a biased environment (defence forum).

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

Same can be said about any country. But these are at least more believable than a straw sample in a biased environment (defence forum).

We represent the modern Chinese youths, go to any geopolitical forum in China, most people there share a same view with us.

Just like we are not surprised that most Vietnamese in the Vietnam forums share the similar with the PDF Vietnamese members.

 

[Joe Shearer]

I am 20+ A child in front of you. but Books are ageless.

Anyway Do you have any idea where Tiki Tiki Tam is?

I believe from references that he passed away.

To return to the topic, with your permission, I was there at the camps. Many of us college students (I was nearly 20) tried to get to the camps to volunteer, but we were kept out by a vigilant camp management and chased out every once in a while.

The majority of the refugees were Hindus, no doubts about that. But there were huge numbers of Muslims. The total number was 10 million. My personal estimate was that around 2 to 3 million were Muslim. There was absolutely no effort at keeping track of their religion, so there is no way that I can reproduce official statistics in support of my claim. Also I have seen only the camps near Barasat, for fleeting periods of two to three days at a time, and never saw the other camps, in Assam and in Tripura.

I sincerely regret the conclusion that was reached, from one photograph. Nobody - none of us - thought of their religion, we saw them as people who needed succour urgently, immediately, and as the situation turned steadily more grim, with the fear of epidemic looming closer and closer, some of the volunteers felt suicidal.

To hear nearly fifty years later that we did what we did because these were Hindus fills me with unimaginable sadness.

If this is what you really think, you Bangladeshis, then go your ways, with the good wishes of every liberal Indian; there is no need, no reason to interact at a personal level any more. The governments can always decide what to do, trade and commerce will continue, and Little Bangladesh, between Chowringhee and Wellesley Street, can flourish very well without our help or sympathy. Money is money, and selfishness is selfishness, as you have reminded everybody.

 

[Nilgiri]

We represent the modern Chinese youths, go to any geopolitical forum in China, most people there share a same view with us.

Just like we are not surprised that most Vietnamese in the Vietnam forums share the similar with the PDF Vietnamese members.

Representation and unbiased statistical significance are two quite different things.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

Representation and unbiased statistical significance are two quite different things.

But it is not unbiased, just like you claimed the polls against Trump isn't unbiased.

 

[kobiraaz]

I believe from references that he passed away.

To return to the topic, with your permission, I was there at the camps. Many of us college students (I was nearly 20) tried to get to the camps to volunteer, but we were kept out by a vigilant camp management and chased out every once in a while.

The majority of the refugees were Hindus, no doubts about that. But there were huge numbers of Muslims. The total number was 10 million. My personal estimate was that around 2 to 3 million were Muslim. There was absolutely no effort at keeping track of their religion, so there is no way that I can reproduce official statistics in support of my claim. Also I have seen only the camps near Barasat, for fleeting periods of two to three days at a time, and never saw the other camps, in Assam and in Tripura.

I sincerely regret the conclusion that was reached, from one photograph. Nobody - none of us - thought of their religion, we saw them as people who needed succour urgently, immediately, and as the situation turned steadily more grim, with the fear of epidemic looming closer and closer, some of the volunteers felt suicidal.

To hear nearly fifty years later that we did what we did because these were Hindus fills me with unimaginable sadness.

If this is what you really think, you Bangladeshis, then go your ways, with the good wishes of every liberal Indian; there is no need, no reason to interact at a personal level any more. The governments can always decide what to do, trade and commerce will continue, and Little Bangladesh, between Chowringhee and Wellesley Street, can flourish very well without our help or sympathy. Money is money, and selfishness is selfishness, as you have reminded everybody.

I know there were Muslim refugees and I understand you completely. I have always respected Indian liberals. However from my recent experience it seems Indian liberals are at receiving end like liberals are in Pakistan. This is a disturbing trend. Anyway, It was your countrymen who reminded me that they hosted millions of refugees in 1971 and he thinks we should not criticize India for that even if we get little water during dry seasons and flash flood from Farakka during rainy season. My answer was for people like them and I hope that you understand my position as well.

 

[Nilgiri]

But it is not unbiased, just like you claimed the polls against Trump isn't unbiased.

Sure but there are levels of bias. In fact bias factors can often be estimated if there is enough reference data.

 

[kobiraaz]

Sure but there are levels of bias. In fact bias factors can often be estimated if there is enough reference data.

I know how these polls take place. 5% to 10% of the data are genuine. Rest are filled up by the field workers. I Have seen friends collecting Data for international groups.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

Sure but there are levels of bias. In fact bias factors can often be estimated if there is enough reference data.

The current China is re-shifted toward Maoism, so all those pro-West elements in the poll is definitely not accurate. Just like you believe that the pro-HRC elements in the current US populism is clearly not correct.

Mao claims all third world (developing) nations were his natural allies.

 

[Nilgiri]

I know how these polls take place. 5% to 10% of the data are genuine. Rest are filled up by the field workers. I Have seen friends collecting Data for international groups.

http://www.pewglobal.org/2014/07/14/methods-in-detail-9/

Country: Bangladesh
Sample design: Multi-stage cluster sample stratified by administrative division and urbanity
Mode: Face-to-face adults 18 plus
Languages: Bengali
Fieldwork dates: April 14 – May 11, 2014
Sample size: 1,000
Margin of error: +/-3.8 percentage points
Representative: Adult population

 

[Joe Shearer]

I am 20+ A child in front of you. but Books are ageless.

Anyway Do you have any idea where Tiki Tiki Tam is?

I believe from references that he passed away.

To return to the topic, with your permission, I was there at the camps. Many of us college students (I was nearly 20) tried to get to the camps to volunteer, but we were kept out by a vigilant camp management and chased out every once in a while.

The majority of the refugees were Hindus, no doubts about that. But there were huge numbers of Muslims. The total number was 10 million. My personal estimate was that around 2 to 3 million were Muslim. There was absolutely no effort at keeping track of their religion, so there is no way that I can reproduce official statistics in support of my claim. Also I have seen only the camps near Barasat, for fleeting periods of two to three days at a time, and never saw the other camps, in Assam and in Tripura.

I sincerely regret the conclusion that was reached, from one photograph. Nobody - none of us - thought of their religion, we saw them as people who needed succour urgently, immediately, and as the situation turned steadily more grim, with the fear of epidemic looming closer and closer, some of the volunteers felt suicidal.

To hear nearly fifty years later that we did what we did because these were Hindus fills me with unimaginable sadness.

If this is what you really think, you Bangladeshis, then go your ways, with the good wishes of every liberal Indian; there is no need, no reason to interact at a personal level any more. The governments can always decide what to do, trade and commerce will continue, and Little Bangladesh, between Chowringhee and Wellesley Street, can flourish very well without our help or sympathy. Money is money, and selfishness is selfishness, as you have

I know there were Muslim refugees and I understand you completely. I have always respected Indian liberals. However from my recent experience it seems Indian liberals are at receiving end like liberals are in Pakistan. This is a disturbing trend. Anyway, It was your countrymen who reminded me that they hosted millions of refugees in 1971 and he thinks we should not criticize India for that even if we get little water during dry seasons and flash flood from Farakka during rainy season. My answer was for people like them and I hope that you understand my position as well.

That is a fair answer. Let us forget this exchange.