63% Increase in Hajj expenses: News & Discussions

[Cent4]

http://www.pakistani.org/pakistan/constitution/part2.ch2.html

31 Islamic way of life.
(1) Steps shall be taken to enable the Muslims of Pakistan, individually and collectively, to order their lives in accordance with the fundamental principles and basic concepts of Islam and to provide facilities whereby they may be enabled to understand the meaning of life according to the Holy Quran and Sunnah.

(2) The state shall endeavour, as respects the Muslims of Pakistan :-
(a) to make the teaching of the Holy Quran and Islamiat compulsory, to encourage and facilitate the learning of Arabic language and to secure correct and exact printing and publishing of the Holy Quran;
(b) to promote unity and the observance of the Islamic moral standards; and
(c) to secure the proper organisation of zakat, 43[ushr, ] 43auqaf and mosques.

This does not mention that state should subsidise Hajj.

 

[313ghazi]

Religious Affairs Minister summed this up accurately.

Hajj is only an obligation on those who can afford it. It is not the responsbility of the state to make Hajj cheaper for people. If it can then it is great, but the state has a responsbility upon it's citizens for food, shelter, education, defence, healthcare etc - this should be met before subsidies for Hajj.

 

[El Sidd]

This does not mention that state should subsidise Hajj.

(1) Steps shall be taken to enable the Muslims of Pakistan, individually and collectively, to order their lives in accordance with the fundamental principles and basic concepts of Islam and to provide facilities whereby they may be enabled to understand the meaning of life according to the Holy Quran and Sunnah.

 

[Baghial]

haaj- sir sahib e - istataat ke lye hy--

ab jis ke bass 450.000 rupees kar lain haaj--


saaf pani bhi - sahib e istaat - keh lye hy----- gharaab marey

achi koorak (food) be sahib e istaat key lye...

moot ( death) be sahib e istaat keh lyi






haaj tenders -------------- millions in pokets--

whts the rate of profit for islamic republic of pakistan - for haaji------? ( mahzabbi fareezha)....



YA MAAL BAN H LAIN--- YA GHARIEBOON KO BE ALLAH KEH GHAR JANEY DOO.....

Why on earth Government was giving subsidy in first place. Hajj is farz on those who can afford it if Government is giving subsidy than you are killing the entire purpose of Hajj

Haj is for rich well to do people , It is not for subsidy sponsored visitors

Urea fertilizer production ECC decided to give 50% subsidy----------- ONLY FOR RICH PEOPLE

100 MILLIONS DOLLARS , SUBSIDY TO TO EXPORT WHEAT---------- GHARIB BOOKHA..... RICH SATISFIED--


1.80 BILLIONS SUBSIDY ON TUBE WELLS--------------- ONLY FOR RICH?

POOR FARMERS DONT OWN LAND--------


DEMOCRAZY IS A WAR-DAAT--------------- OF RICH

NOTHING IN IT FOR POOR


POLITICAL PARTIES ARE- FINANCIAL CARTELS IN PAKISTAN




IF AN MNA/ MPA -- HAS TO SPEND 20/30 CRORES TO RUN ELECTIONS... IN PAKISTAN


THEN ------------ IS HE COMMING FOR -------- AWAAM KE KHIDMAT???........ ONLY A STUPID . BRAINLESS- dumb - IDIOT PAKISTANI WILL BELIEVE


GUESS HOW MANY IDIOTS ARE IN PAKISTAN NOW AFTER 2018 ELECTIONS?

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

(1) Steps shall be taken to enable the Muslims of Pakistan, individually and collectively, to order their lives in accordance with the fundamental principles and basic concepts of Islam and to provide facilities whereby they may be enabled to understand the meaning of life according to the Holy Quran and Sunnah.

Yes, and those steps have been taken in terms of providing airports and Saudi consulates and other facilities necessary for individuals to apply and obtain permits for Haj and subsequently travel to Saudi Arabia for Haj. There is no requirement on the government to subsidize Haj.

FYI, posts with personal attacks have been deleted or edited. Please respond to the argument, do not attack or malign the poster.

 

[El Sidd]

Yes, and those steps have been taken in terms of providing airports and Saudi consulates and other facilities necessary for individuals to apply and obtain permits for Haj and subsequently travel to Saudi Arabia for Haj. There is no requirement on the government to subsidize Haj.

the government is responsible in accommodating Muslim way of Life as per constituon of Pakistan. They should be able to take help from the Baitul Maal.

will the government then Stop exploiting the Hajj financially? And politically?

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

the government is responsible in accommodating Muslim way of Life as per constituon of Pakistan. They should be able to take help from the Baitul Maal.

will the government then Stop exploiting the Hajj financially? And politically?

The way of life is being 'accommodated' by allowing the construction of mosques, seminaries and free practice of Islam. It is being accommodated by constructing infrastructure and allowing facilities for Pakistanis who so desire to apply and make travel arrangements for performing the Haj.

And by the way, when exactly are all Pakistanis going to play their role and responsibilities by paying their taxes honestly and maybe just maybe actually following traffic laws and laws against littering etc?

 

[El Sidd]

The way of life is being 'accommodated' by allowing the construction of mosques, seminaries and free practice of Islam. It is being accommodated by constructing infrastructure and allowing facilities for Pakistanis who so desire to apply and make travel arrangements for performing the Haj.

No.

the government has hardly ever held control of seminaries Nor the Content of religious People. it is not her responsibility as lawmakers have argued.

but if a citizen wishes to perform hajj and requires help from the society. the government should provide those rather Leave it Open to exploitation.

Muslims have every right to protest this.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

No.

the government has hardly ever held control of seminaries Nor the Content of religious People. it is not her responsibility as lawmakers have argued.

but if a citizen wishes to perform hajj and requires help from the society. the government should provide those rather Leave it Open to exploitation.

Muslims have every right to protest this.

I didn't say the government controls seminaries (though it should regulate their curriculum and teaching methodology etc), I said it allows for the construction of seminaries (assuming all laws are followed).

If a Citizen wishing to perform Haz desires assistance from society, the government is not prohibiting that individual from asking for donations or preventing that individual from performing the Haj, provided the proper travel permits and finances are arranged.

 

[El Sidd]

I didn't say the government controls seminaries, I said it allows for the construction of seminaries (assuming all laws are followed).

If a Citizen wishing to perform Haz desires assistance from society, the government is not prohibiting that individual from asking for donations or preventing that individual from performing the Haj, provided the proper travel permits and finances are arranged.

there is No Prohibition for any religious seminaries. it is under religious rights.

the government is responsible for curbing out Social ills like exploitation which is already a stark Reality of hajj and Umrah.

the economics of hajj then shall also not be exploited if the acquired money subsidizes "interest" based economy.

you cannot Call secularism ryasat e madina just because leader is Muslim.

 

[Cent4]

(1) Steps shall be taken to enable the Muslims of Pakistan, individually and collectively, to order their lives in accordance with the fundamental principles and basic concepts of Islam and to provide facilities whereby they may be enabled to understand the meaning of life according to the Holy Quran and Sunnah.

Still can’t see where it mentions that state should take expensive loans and pay interest on them just to subsidise Hajj.

 

[El Sidd]

Still can’t see where it mentions that state should take expensive loans and pay interest on them just to subsidise Hajj.

why do You think we are facing banktruptcy? because of our Interest based economy.

the mentioned clause makes responsible the government to facilitate Muslims in performing their religious duties. the government taxes the Muslims. They have every right to expect subsidies specially given poverty in the country

 

[Cent4]

but if a citizen wishes to perform hajj and requires help from the society. the government should provide those rather Leave it Open to exploitation.

Muslims have every right to protest this.

Any and all help should be provided baring financial help especially when the govt need to borrow money to run the country.
All grants and subsidies should end until the need to borrow money is not there and every citizen has access to quality education, healthcare and Justice.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

there is No Prohibition for any religious seminaries. it is under religious rights.

the government is responsible for curbing out Social ills like exploitation which is already a stark Reality of hajj and Umrah.

the economics of hajj then shall also not be exploited if the acquired money subsidizes "interest" based economy.

you cannot Call secularism ryasat e madina just because leader is Muslim.

There are a lot of social ills that the government needs to curb, like TLYRA protesters disrupting life and destroying property during protests, mobs attacking people over Blasphemy and what not, child marriages, honor killings etc etc.

Islamic banks and banking are available in the country - people don't have to use the interest based banking system, or any banking system if they don't want to.

 

[El Sidd]

Any and all help should be provided baring financial help especially when the govt need to borrow money to run the country.
All grants and subsidies should end until the need to borrow money is not there and every citizen has access to quality education, healthcare and Justice.

the government is earning from hajj but cannot subsidize it?

in the end Saudis will give special priveleges to Pakistan otherwise Muslims are Not impressed by this governments hypocrisy

There are a lot of social ills that the government needs to curb, like TLYRA protesters disrupting life and destroying property during protests, mobs attacking people over Blasphemy and what not, child marriages, honor killings etc etc.

Islamic banks and banking are available in the country - people don't have to use the interest based banking system, or any banking system if they don't want to.

You cannot keep making boogeyman out of Muslims.

it was lal peeli masjid now hari masjid then safed masjid.

You should then change your constitution if Muslims are a Security risk to You.

i refuse to generalize them for actions of few driven by political injustice.

It is in the constitution that the state will Not deal in Interest.

we all have wishes. Lets be lawful first?