5 Ways Egypt Can Avoid Becoming Pakistan.

[darkinsky]

Good article reflects about reality and how to save Egypt's future from becoming a foreign puppet and weak undeveloped nation.

yeah exactly the perfect words to describe the nuclear power equipped with babur cruise missile which builds its own fighter plane and a million soldier army

 

[Awesome]

Looks like "Pakistan"'s image is royally screwed up. Using as an example of "how not to be"..

Lol the little things that make some people happy...

It's a good topic to discuss... The difference in Pakistan is that Islamabad is well shielded. The type of people who live there are majority government servants or simply well off people who are not affected as severely by the troubles of Pakistan. Otherwise the problems in Egypt were only a fraction of those that exist in Pakistan but still no revolution.

 

[KS]

Lol the little things that make some people happy...

It's a good topic to discuss... The difference in Pakistan is that Islamabad is well shielded. The type of people who live there are majority government servants or simply well off people who are not affected as severely by the troubles of Pakistan. Otherwise the problems in Egypt were only a fraction of those that exist in Pakistan but still no revolution.

Hey why getting defensive ? The discussion should not be about me or other Indians getting happy at this, but how come they chose "Pakistan" as an example of warning Egypt.

Was the choice a random act or was it a deliberate move..If it was indeed deliberate what went wrong in between the 60s where Pakistan was a positive role model for medium sized countries to the 2012 where it is being used as a negative role model, a role model on how one should "not" be.

 

[ganesh177]

Thumbs up for pakistan for at least being a role model for rest of the world of "How not to be".

 

[Perceptron]

Lol the little things that make some people happy...

It's a good topic to discuss... The difference in Pakistan is that Islamabad is well shielded. The type of people who live there are majority government servants or simply well off people who are not affected as severely by the troubles of Pakistan. Otherwise the problems in Egypt were only a fraction of those that exist in Pakistan but still no revolution.

What good a body can do when even if it's arms are strong, shoulders are broad, the abs are perfect, and yet the legs are atrophied ? A healthy Islamabad does not mean a healthy Pakistan. Or you mean to say that Islamabad is the only true representation of Pakistan and the other parts are worthless ?

 

[Awesome]

Hey why getting defensive ? The discussion should not be about me or other Indians getting happy at this, but how come they chose "Pakistan" as an example of warning Egypt.

Well the teasing is annoying and juvenile... You won't find any serious customers for that sale.

Seriously why should that be the discussion? Pakistan is what it is. We have our issues to work with. We should acknowledge our issues rather than be embarrassed about them and hide them or ignore them. In fact Pakistan should try to head off in the good parts of the Egyptian revolution.

Was the choice a random act or was it a deliberate move..If it was indeed deliberate what went wrong in between the 60s where Pakistan was a positive role model for medium sized countries to the 2012 where it is being used as a negative role model, a role model on how one should "not" be.

You're way over-thinking about a silly thing. Fixating upon things from a typical Sub-continent mindframe of getting worked up upon image. The author was right to use the Pakistan example, he did nothing wrong. Or as I said before maybe this juvenile approach is for your own kicks...

On topic, I gave this forum my reasoning for the lack of Pakistan's own revolution, the difference lies in the difference between Tahrir Square and Shara'a Dastoor (Constitution Avenue, Islamabad). For a movement against the government civilian or military, a movement has to be sustained from all parts of Pakistan and they have to travel over to the federal capital. If the Punjab government wasn't in cahoots with the PPP they could have facilitated such a revolution. Which is why Imran Khan says despite their 4 point agenda, he won't support them.

Egypt's issues were only a fraction of what Pakistan's are. Definitely Egypt should not go Pakistan's way as that would be regressing further down.

 

[53fd]

The difference between Egypt & Pakistan is that the whole fabric of Egyptian society will be under threat if the Muslim Brotherhood assumes control (& they are gaining support), whereas the fabric of Pakistan's society is probably as stable & resilient as the most stable regions in the world. The Muslim Brotherhood is poised to win majority of the seats in Egypt's parliamentary elections, whereas religious parties in Pakistan do not win more than 2-3% of the votes in the country.

 

[Awesome]

What good a body can do when even if it's arms are strong, shoulders are broad, the abs are perfect, and yet the legs are atrophied ? A healthy Islamabad does not mean a healthy Pakistan. Or you mean to say that Islamabad is the only true representation of Pakistan and the other parts are worthless ?

You got it the other way round. In your analogy I would call Islamabad as the sickened part. It's atrophied, it needs to get out of procrastination. Any movement against the federal government needs sustained support and infrastructure from the locals. It would be no joke carrying out a similar protest in constitution avenue as they did in Tahrir square.

 

[Perceptron]

You got it the other way round. In your analogy I would call Islamabad as the sickened part. It's atrophied, it needs to get out of procrastination. Any movement against the federal government needs sustained support and infrastructure from the locals. It would be no joke carrying out a similar protest in constitution avenue as they did in Tahrir square.

Okay, the well-shielded connotation put me off-track.

Well for one thing, there was this recent attempt by a social worker Jahangir Akhtar to emulate Anna Hazare, which did not draw widespread support. Maybe he stood for defence cuts along with price-rise and corruption issues which must have put the establishment off, and hence people support was lacking. You see, If Imran Khan would have stood against bad governance, or against corruption or against price rise, then he would not have support from much of the religious or establishment-puppets that we see now. His primary dissent was against foreign interference and weak government puppets which resonated with the establishment which has led to the popular support that he has now.

 

[Generally Khan]

The discussion should not be about me or other Indians getting happy at this, but how come they chose "Pakistan" as an example of warning Egypt.

Fact is, KS, no amount of warnings will save Egypt.

11 years of Anwar El Sadat and 30 years of Hosni Mubarak have robbed the country of all civilian leadership and bankrupted all institutions of competence. That's an enormous leadership void that you cant overcome in a year or two.

Look at what is transpiring in Tunisia. One man set himself on fire and brought a revolution. Now every other week someone sets himself on fire and the government still cant decide how to run the country. Last person to set himself on fire was two weeks ago.

For Egypt, its biggest misfortune is that it is neighbors with Israel. This isn't an anti-Israel rant but the simple fact is U.S. uses Israel as a strategic ally in the region and to keep everyone in check. Israel will feel a lot better with a weaker Egypt and the only way to make that happen is by keeping it economically submissive. How do you do that? Don't give it access to EU-US markets. India didn't had much success until it got access to these markets. And what makes you think Egypt will be any different?

Simple, it wont.

 

[53fd]

You got it the other way round. In your analogy I would call Islamabad as the sickened part. It's atrophied, it needs to get out of procrastination. Any movement against the federal government needs sustained support and infrastructure from the locals. It would be no joke carrying out a similar protest in constitution avenue as they did in Tahrir square.

I don't know what you want, but I never want Pakistan to become like Libya, Egypt & Iraq are becoming today. Pakistan has already tried one 'revolution' coming out on the streets & ousting Musharraf, but it has been a huge failure. The revolution needs to take place in the hearts & minds of every Pakistani citizen, not on the streets. Pakistan is being eaten up by feudalism & corruption/corrupt politicians, we need a revolution from these things. Religion won't solve any of Pakistan's problems, it would only compound them. I see very dire times for Egypt (especially if the Muslim Brotherhood comes into power), Libya, Iraq; & for many countries in the Middle East in the coming future.

 

[53fd]

Okay, the well-shielded connotation put me off-track.

Well for one thing, there was this recent attempt by a social worker Jahangir Akhtar to emulate Anna Hazare, which did not draw widespread support. Maybe he stood for defence cuts along with price-rise and corruption issues which must have put the establishment off, and hence people support was lacking. You see, If Imran Khan would have stood against bad governance, or against corruption or against price rise, then he would not have support from much of the religious or establishment-puppets that we see now. His primary dissent was against foreign interference and weak government puppets which resonated with the establishment which has led to the popular support that he has now.

Because religion is for the most part not in the fabric of Pakistan. Please read this post carefully:

The difference between Egypt & Pakistan is that the whole fabric of Egyptian society will be under threat if the Muslim Brotherhood assumes control (& they are gaining support), whereas the fabric of Pakistan's society is probably as stable & resilient as the most stable regions in the world. The Muslim Brotherhood is poised to win majority of the seats in Egypt's parliamentary elections, whereas religious parties in Pakistan do not win more than 2-3% of the votes in the country.

 

[Vinod2070]

Egypt doesn't have to look for negatives from distant South Asian countries.

There are enough failures right around it that it can try and avoid becoming.

 

[Perceptron]

Because religion is for the most part not in the fabric of Pakistan. Please read this post carefully:

I never said religion as the reason. Read my post carefully. I said foreign interference and weak government puppets.

 

[Gandhi G in da house]

I hope the muslim brotherhood supported party takes a leaf out of turkey and tunisia 's books.