41 Writers Return Indian Award, Cite Climate of Intolerance

[Samudra Manthan]

Which they do anyway. The point was about spreading the message of rediscovering our values.



Of course it does. Cow dung was used for Yagna because it made use of animal waste which itself came from eating pure food.

The burning of the cow dung ensured no plant life was destroyed.

The smoke kept away the flies and mosquitoes, and the fire itself burned with a low heat.

How is that not a guiding principle ? Does it not reflect the Hindu value system ?

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Smoke from crackers too keep away flies and mosquitoes. Consider crackers bursting as equivalents of Yagnas. If every household was to do a yagna today on Diwali, there would be 100 times more pollution than you would get from crackers.

 

[Niyogi]

There are no laws banning crackers either. It is a part and parcel of our celebrations. Cars were not there during Vedic times, so you can choose to go walking or using a horse back if you are so desirous of going back to the roots.

No law bans crackers. That part I am talking about is not legal but ethical and moral aspect of it.

You are right that modern living puts additional burden on the government, but the guiding principles of Hindus do not change. A practising hindu is required to follow those principles to the bet of his/her ability.

Its a disingenuous argument to say that since guns were not there back then, we should fight with bows and arrows. Kindly do not use such strawmen arguments with me.

Smoke from crackers too keep away flies and mosquitoes. Consider crackers bursting as equivalents of Yagnas. If every household was to do a yagna today on Diwali, there would be 100 times more pollution than you would get from crackers.

Yagan was not a household event. It was a social event.

It was done by the community leader and all the community participated in it.

 

[Star Wars]

Which they do anyway. The point was about spreading the message of rediscovering our values.

AS i said you are free to do that ..

Of course it does. Cow dung was used for Yagna because it made use of animal waste which itself came from eating pure food.
The burning of the cow dung ensured no plant life was destroyed.
The smoke kept away the flies and mosquitoes, and the fire itself burned with a low heat.
How is that not a guiding principle ? Does it not reflect the Hindu value system ?

look at post number 46..

.... If that was the case a rapist will decide that raping minors is moral and ethical. A murderer will decide that murder for profit is acceptable ............ anyting goes as long as you are not caught by the law.

Then what is the point of Dharma ?

Comparing rapists and murders with people celebrating Diwali ? Are you seriously that desperate ? How is people celebrating Diwali once an year even remotely connected to Rapists ? seriously WTF ? Do i really have to state the obvious time and again ?

 

[Samudra Manthan]

No law bans crackers. That part I am talking about is not legal but ethical and moral aspect of it.

You are right that modern living puts additional burden on the government, but the guiding principles of Hindus do not change. A practising hindu is required to follow those principles to the bet of his/her ability.

Its a disingenuous argument to say that since guns were not there back then, we should fight with bows and arrows. Kindly do not use such strawmen arguments with me.

There is ethical or moral aspect involved in using a car with 4 seats instead of using public transport or relocating next to where your office is so that you can commute on foot and save the environment the pollution one causes by the use of private automobiles every single day. No need to get selectively sanctimonious.

The guiding principles of Hindu also works here. Modern living is not only putting burden on govt but also on the planet. Let us stop all developmental activities and go back to living in our mud huts so that we can protect the planet.

It is as disingenuous as you saying we should not celebrate our festivals because they were not celebrated with the same devices back in the golden days.

 

[Niyogi]

AS i said you are free to do that ..

......and I do not need you to explain my freedom to me

Again, how is that connected ? some consider celebrating with song and dance and noise as pollution. You are painting this as a black and white thing where people cannot celebrate one way and have to celebrate the way you decide .. ?

You can even celebrate by having an orgy or a drunken brawl. What is your point ? that these celebrations do not have any moral, ethical, social, or cultural guideline ?

What kind of moronic argument is that ? When did I say people cannot celebrate it one way or the other ? If you have limitations in understanding English it is better to get reeducated, rather than spin foolish strawmen.

Comparing rapists and murders with people celebrating Diwali ? Are you seriously that desperate ? How is people celebrating Diwali once an year even remotely connected to Rapists ? seriously WTF ? Do i really have to state the obvious time and again ?

I am comparing the morality and ethics of rapists and murderers you Moron. You are the fool who said that morality and ethics are best left to individuals and they have no social or religious context. That does not work in real life. Don't you have the intelligence to even grasp even such basic concepts ?

First read and understand what I have written before attempting to reply. If you cant even understand that, don't bother to reply.

 

[Samudra Manthan]

Yagan was not a household event. It was a social event.

It was done by the community leader and all the community participated in it.

It was both household event as well as community/social event. Even today households hold yagnas for personal events like house warming to many other family pujas.

 

[Niyogi]

There is ethical or moral aspect involved in using a car with 4 seats instead of using public transport or relocating next to where your office is so that you can commute on foot and save the environment the pollution one causes by the use of private automobiles every single day. No need to get selectively sanctimonious.

No arguments or dispute there. Where did I say otherwise ?

The guiding principles of Hindu also works here. Modern living is not only putting burden on govt but also on the planet. Let us stop all developmental activities and go back to living in our mud huts so that we can protect the planet.

Yes it does. I do not agree with your view that the ONLY way to save the planet is to go back to mud huts. If that is what YOU believe, then you are free to do that.

It is as disingenuous as you saying we should not celebrate our festivals because they were not celebrated with the same devices back in the golden days.

Kindly quote me saying "we should not celebrate our festivals because they were not celebrated with the same devices back in the golden days".

If you cannot do that, then I expect an APOLOGY.

It was both household event as well as community/social event. Even today households hold yagnas for personal events like house warming to many other family pujas.

No. The Yagna's for grahasti was very different to yagna's for community welfare.

Eg. Pitr Yagna, bhuta yagna etc was for grahasti

For the community it was deva yagna, Pancha maha yagna, Rajasooya, ashvamedha and vajapeya yajnas etc.

 

[Star Wars]

......and I do not need you to explain my freedom to me

Am saying your freedoms are limited only lecturing, not forcing others to accept your opinions.

You can even celebrate by having an orgy or a drunken brawl. What is your point ? that these celebrations do not have any moral, ethical, social, or cultural guideline ?

Who decides these guidelines ? you decide them ? or are you going to again make a flawed comparison to Rapists and murderers to prove your point ?

What kind of moronic argument is that ? When did I say people cannot celebrate it one way or the other ? If you have limitations in understanding English it is better to get reeducated, rather than spin foolish strawmen.

Really ?....then what are you complaining about over here ?

I am comparing the morality and ethics of rapists and murderers you Moron. You are the fool who said that morality and ethics are best left to individuals and they have no social or religious context. That does not work in real life. Don't you have the intelligence to even grasp even such basic concepts ?

First read and understand what I have written before attempting to reply. If you cant even understand that, don't bother to reply.

Why do you even have to bring up morality of Rapists and murderers when talking about folks celebrating Diwali ?
I said every person has their own version of morality and ethics and that is true, People aren't drones who have to accept everything you say. all of a sudden you decided to bring rapists into the picture. you are desperate

 

[Niyogi]

Who decides these guidelines ? you decide them ? or are you going to again make a flawed comparison to Rapists and murderers to prove your point ?.

Religious festivals are guide by religious guidelines you idiot.

Or did you think that the local strong arm goons decide how to celebrate the festival ?

Really ?....then what are you complaining about over here ?.

Complain to you ? ..... what are you the district collector ?

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Why do you even have to bring up morality of Rapists and murderers when talking about folks celebrating Diwali ?
I said every person has their own version of morality and ethics and that is true, People aren't drones who have to accept everything you say. all of a sudden you decided to bring rapists into the picture.

I have already explained WHY that example was given. If you have still not understood it, read that argument again till you get it.

If EVERYBODY has their own version of "morality" and "ethics" then there is nothing called "immoral" or "unethical"

 

[Star Wars]

Religious festivals are guide by religious guidelines you idiot.
Or did you think that the local strong arm goons decide how to celebrate the festival ?

@Samudra Manthan Check this out

Religious Guidelines ...WTF ? we are not talking about Christianity or Islam here ..

Complain to you ? ..... what are you the district collector ?

What happened ? why are you back tracking ? If you think people are free to celebrate the way they want. What exactly is your problem ?

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I have already explained WHY that example was given. If you have still not understood it, read that argument again till you get it.

If EVERYBODY has their own version of "morality" and "ethics" then there is nothing called "immoral" or "unethical"

Your explanation of "why" is just incredibly stupid. Comparing the moral values of majority of Hindu Indians who celebrate Diwali to the extreme minority of Rapists and murders was incredibly stupid of you ..

 

[danger007]

Exactly. Let all those complaining of pollution give away their cars and travel by public transport.

as if you don't use any of them????

 

[Star Wars]

as if you don't use any of them????

Only those complaining about pollution in Diwali......

 

[Niyogi]

@Samudra Manthan Check this out

Religious Guidelines ...WTF ? we are not talking about Christianity or Islam here ..

No we are not. Why do you think these religious scriptures exist ?

What happened ? why are you back tracking ? If you think people are free to celebrate the way they want. What exactly is your problem ?

I am not discussing their freedom you moron, I am discussing their RESPONSIBILITY.

Your explanation of "why" is just incredibly stupid. Comparing the moral values of majority of Hindu Indians who celebrate Diwali to the extreme minority of Rapists and murders was incredibly stupid of you ..

LOL....I give up. You are just too stupid.

 

[danger007]

sure and let them celebrate which ever way they want



That really does not answer my question



lol and i don't ? again who decides the morals and ethics ? Everyone has their own set of morals and ethics. In the end Majority will decide. you are free to try to influence them, but not force them

When the Majority will decide what's the point to have personal views????

 

[indianBong]

@Akheilos @jamahir .... lets not fall into usual saghi vs non sanghi debate... lets talk about freedom of speech... what do you people think about "extent" of this "freedom"??? i mean same salman rushdie wrote "satanic verses" which was banned in india and abroad....should it be revoked and made legal in india? and charlie Hebdo cartoons are also "freedom" of expression??? you support them?