300 people die in Assad's prison every month : Amnesty

[mike2000 is back]

You see what people in post industrial societies do not understand is that most of the Third World is still in "raw" state. I don't have time to write a long thesis but the fact is most Third World countries raw, unformed and will have to go through the "mill" to evolve into modern societies, This process of forming is not pretty. Think of Europe between 1850-1950. Century of wars, genocides and mass repression, hate, think of Stalin in Russia, Hitler in Germany, Duce in Italy. think of chaos of war that the spread acros Europe. Making of modern state is not pretty and not too dissimilar to birth of human being. It involves lot of pain. The effect is pre industial feudal order id destroyed and replaced with a uniform order where the state prevails but gives the invidual freedom within certain parameters found on universal consensus.

That is why Syria needs it's Stalin, Libyia needed it's Duce and Iraq needed it's Adolph. All we did by interfering in this natural process was cause even more chaos and you can see what the result is. The society that Assad wants to build would be where you in a Romanian could walk through and feel quite at ease. In absence of that you have ISIL and you know what means. Death or migrants. Both bad news.

Top Gear in Syria before 2010. Listen to Jeremy Clarkson. Just before the war.

Go to 55:00 for Syria

You can't compare the world in the 17th-19th century with the globalised world in which we live today mate.
In today's globalised world where we all have access to social media , internet, access to global 24hrs news agences(grated they are all created and led by the west) . Etc obviously people in the underdeveloped and developing world will yearn to live in a democratic wealthy free country like they see in other countries in the western world, Japan, Korea, etc. You can't compare today's world with the closed primitive era of the past where everything was totally different.
Today it's much more easy for countries to adapt, and news to flow in seconds around the world. In short the world is getting closer, more harmonious,more uniform and smaller with each passing year. It's far more easier for countries to adopt other more sucessful systems than it was in the past. So citizens of these countries obviously often yearn for the same, whether they are delusional/unrealistic or not remains to be seen

I am sure the rebels treat their prisoners far worst than the Syrian Government forces.
No one is saint in this conflict but Assad is the lesser of the two evils and on top of that he is doing the world a favor by killing the ISIS fanatics. Assad FTW...

You have a point. However, as I said several times on here,many of you also forget that our so called 'secular' Assad also supported these same terrorists groups in Iraq during the U.S/U.K invasion of Iraq. He openly supported these Islamic terrorists groups by providing them sanctuary, training, finance, logistics and equipment against 'infidel imperialist' U.S and British soldiers in Iraq. His actions also helped fueled the Iraqi sectarian war killing thousands of Iraqi civilians in the process.
His former minions have now come back to bite their former master.
Go do some reseach about this . Sorry but I'm shedding no tears for his brutal regime

Nobody is holy in this region.

 

[AmirPatriot]

Lol first Iran created ISIS and now this XD

I won't answer leading questions.

 

[mike2000 is back]

As far as I know , Assad do not declare jihad and go around the world instigating supporter to run trucks over innocent people or mass shooting in France or even burn group of people alive in full TV view.

ISIS and Syria rebel do. I can bet most of those rebel uses human shield or purposely hid inside civilian building while firing mortar rds at Assa army.


There is no perfect solution. If you want perfect solution, it impossible now. You can only want the best solution.

Read my post above, Assad fully backed/supported these Islamic terror groups in Iraq for a longggg time before they came back to haunt him himself.
http://www.middleeasteye.net/news/i...-not-aid-jihadists-former-official-1553468312

He should have known better.

 

[Hamza913]

news flash...there isn't and never was an Ummah.

Reality check, yes there was and there still is one, albeit a rather broken one.

As far as I know rebels do not drop barrel bombs or cluster munitions, the most efficient way of murdering civilians indiscriminately. They simply don't have the means, so it's a propaganda that they are killing more civilians.




Almost anybody can be 'implicated' of doing something wrong, it is the typical excuse used to put innocent people behind bars and then torturing them to death for not being a Nazi or Alawite.

As far as I know Syrian troops don't walk in and shoot people en masse, which is something the rebels do a lot.

As for your latter statement, yes almost anyone can be implicated, but in times like these, Assad has to be on his toes. Unfortunate, but a bitter truth.

 

[MarkusS]

Assad is the only option. Syria needs a stable regime. This can only be build by Assad.

 

[Hamza913]

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So you agree with some of us in the west who say you people deserve only Brutal dictators?

Yes, because a lot of us are crazy and not capable of thinking rationally.

 

[mike2000 is back]

Yes, because a lot of us are crazy and not capable of thinking rationally.

Lol you might be right. Good it came from you not an 'evil' westerner . Not sure how your fellow brothers on here will take it .

Anyway, Assad made a big mistake by not stepping down. He could have simply left power like Mubarak did ir better still like Tunisia's former dictator did. If he did that then life in Syria would have carried on as usual and everyone would have forgotten there was ever a dictator in Syria . However his greed for power(like every other dictators in the developing world) made him put himself first before his country.

Assad is the only option. Syria needs a stable regime. This can only be build by Assad.

Maybe before, but not after the uprising against him. If he was that good for the country, his people would never have rosen up against him in the first place.

It's like saying Mussolini would have been the only solution for a stable and prosperous Italy.

Anyway. Countries often go through turbulent times after their corrupt brutal dictator has been deposed, but after a while they get through it and stability returns

 

[Indus Pakistan]

You can't compare the world in the 17th-19th century

I used as referance 19th-20th centuries. Not 17th-19th. And 20th century closed only a few years ago. Major events from that century still inform us, for example WW1 and WW2. I set the bar at 1850 because although WW1 broke out in 1914 the previous 60 years of social, economic and political events were the backdrop to the Great War. In short you want to understand how we had the Great War you have to study the preceding 50-60 years.

And this is not about what citizens want in the developing world - we know half of them thanks to the information age would love to land in Europe to bite the "dream" but the question is are we ready for that. We bloody well are not. Asides this gives rise to far right and fuel to people like Markus here. I don't think that is healthy.

I would much rather have Assads, Saddams and Gaddafi's cook their countries to the right consistency then remove them, then create chaos, then have millions of them heading to Europe. Non of these half cooked projects please.

I said before. If you do want to go into these countries, then do it like WW2 style. Send in millions of men. Then stay there for decades with millions of men. Then create total social change in those countries. Then integrate them into Western economic and military order. Think Japan. Think South Korea.

Not go in there. Wreck them. Then hold a stupid election. Then chip.

 

[MarkusS]

Lol you might be right. Good it came from you not an 'evil' westerner . Not sure how your fellow brothers on here will take it .

Anyway, Assad made a big mistake by not stepping down. He could have simply left power like Mubarak did ir better still like Tunisia's former dictator did. If he did that then life in Syria would have carried on as usual and everyone would have forgotten there was ever a dictator in Syria . However his greed for power(like every other dictators in the developing world) made him put himself first before his country.



Maybe before, but not after the uprising against him. If he was that good for the country, his people would never have rosen up against him in the first place.

It's like saying Mussolini would have been the only solution for a stable and prosperous Italy.

Anyway. Countries often go through turbulent times after their corrupt brutal dictator has been deposed, but after a while they get through it and stability returns

I give a shit about syrian people. Install a tyrant there that keeps it closed.

 

[Great Janjua]

I give a shit about syrian people. Install a tyrant there that keeps it closed.

I care about Italy bomb the crap out of it

 

[Jaanbaz]

Its like a qadiyani ruling PAK for 40 years

Keep us out of your discussions terrorist. You trying to incite more hatred against us in Pakistan? Scum bag. Do whatever you want with each other I don't care any more.

 

[MarkusS]

I care about Italy bomb the crap out of it

in english please. dont get your blubbering

 

[Indus Pakistan]

I give a shit about syrian people

You do realize that lots of those Syrians are more similiar in their DNA profile to you then you are with Scandanavians? You do realize that Assyria was a integral part of Meditearnean world in antiquity? In fact Bible was probably first written there, the Roman script that we use today first evolved there?

You do realize graves of Syrian soldiers of the Roman Legions have been uncovered near the Hadrian Wall in Britain?

Link > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Byblos

 

[Great Janjua]

in english please. dont get your blubbering

What do you think I am speaking retarded language oops only Italian s understand that

 

[MarkusS]

What do you think I am speaking retarded language oops only Italian s understand that

Your grammar is too bad. What do you try to tell me?