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300 Pakistani students stranded in Bangladesh cry out for help

I find keyboard warriors, particularly of the religious kind, want to remake their nations into glorious empires not attuned to reality. What makes wanting to expand borders 'natural'. Are you living in the era of Lebensraum? (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lebensraum)

Today, nation-states in most parts of the world have more or less become comfortable with their geography or are in the process of confronting reality and forced to become comfortable with their borders. This is because the cost of changing borders is enormous whereas the benefits of cooperation are also enormous. This is particularly so as most countries have enough weapons and resources to impose very very high costs on aggressors.

Think things through before you talk, India is no longer the nation it was two decades years back. For the 'eventually' you use, India would be an even stronger nation, economically, militarily, diplomatically.

You would prefer to make India and Bangladesh enemies again?

Nation-states is a new concept. Borders have never been heterogenous and have always been fluid with the migration of tribes and ethnic groups throughout history. No more nation-state can change that. Nations will continue to rise and fall along with the change of their borders.

Right now India has a high degree of influence in Bangladesh due to its alliance with the family of Hasina. Eventually one day Bd would be independent enough to pursue its own national interest. With its rise in population compared to current landmass, along with the acceleration of climate change BD would have no other option but the eventual takeover of the chicken neck and bengal. Its within its core interest

Most of the neighboring states in India ie assam and west bengal already have a large migration population.
 
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I'd like to remind you that this support of terrorist organizations were started by India.
We just gave you a taste of your own medicine by supporting northeastern rebels.
And I reiterate, Kashmir is not part of India.It's an internationally recognized disputed territory.
You can reiterate it all you want. Most nations have unequivocally stated that Govt. of India's recent action in Kashmir (removing A370 and assimilating Kashmir as a regular state in India) is India's internal matter. This ranges from Arab states like the UAE, KSA, Russia. Even US which was informed before the action was taken chose not to interfere or even give a critical statement.

Fools rush where even angels fear to tread. Any action supporting secession by the Govt. of BD, officially or unofficially, will lead to reprisal. If your sympathies lie with Pakistan, like they do for most Islamist/Jamaati Bangladeshis, even then the best result is to stay neutral unless you are willing to put Bangladesh and India on a collision course. I don't think you understand the consequences of that.
 
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You would prefer to make India and Bangladesh enemies again?
India and Bangladesh are already enemies playing a charade of friendship.

You hate us.You kill our people in the borders.Your politicians want to annex integral parts of Bangladeshi territory.You have passed laws to declare millions of your own citizens as Illegal Bangladeshis.Your leader calls us termites.India's hedgemonic ambitions in the region are there for everyone to see.You have annexed every defenseless independent states you could from Hyderabad to Junagadh to Kashmir to Sikkim.

India preaches words of friendship.But actions speak louder than words.And India's actions have proven that it can't be even trusted as a responsible nation, let alone a friendly country.
 
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You can reiterate it all you want. Most nations have unequivocally stated that Govt. of India's recent action in Kashmir (removing A370 and assimilating Kashmir as a regular state in India) is India's internal matter. This ranges from Arab states like the UAE, KSA, Russia. Even US which was informed before the action was taken chose not to interfere or even give a critical statement.

Fools rush where even angels fear to tread. Any action supporting secession by the Govt. of BD, officially or unofficially, will lead to reprisal. If your sympathies lie with Pakistan, like they do for most Islamist/Jamaati Bangladeshis, even then the best result is to stay neutral unless you are willing to put Bangladesh and India on a collision course. I don't think you understand the consequences of that.

Thats a huge misconception that you have that its only Islamist/Jamaati Bengladeshis that support Pakistan. Many Christian, business people, and large landholders also support Pakistan. There are millions of bengladeshis in Pakistan, many Bengladeshi christian of the elites chose to move to Pakistan post-1971 as did many top bearocrats. Many Pakistani businessmen have invest billions and moved textile mills to Bangladesh, thus having business influence. The muslims of bengal and the region of Pakistan have family ties from long back.

Pakistan would always have an interest in BD regardless of govt.
 
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Any reply from Imran Khan regime to Pakistani students ?
 
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India and Bangladesh are already enemies playing a charade of friendship.

You hate us.You kill our people in the borders.Your politicians want to annex integral parts of Bangladeshi territory.You have passed laws to declare millions of your own citizens as Illegal Bangladeshis.Your leader call us termites.India's hedgemonic ambitions in the region are there for everyone to see.You have annexed any defenseless independent states you could from Hyderabad to Junagadh to Kashmir to Sikkim.

India preaches friendship.But actions speak louder than words.And India's actions have proven that it can't be even trusted as responsible nation, let alone a friendly country.

Fantastic post.
 
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I am assuming you are not a hypocrite. So you would be okay with India officially supporting people in CHT to secede from Bangladesh?
We know the history how kashmir was included in India. Recently Modi abolished 370 act of your constitution that a clear violation of the law. Kashmir was always disputed land between India and Pakistan while Hill tract ctg was not.

Kashmir was Muslim majority state that was supposed to be part of Pakistan. But because of it's Hindu king it became the part of india.

Hyderabad state was Hindu majority with a Muslim ruler who decided to remain independent instead of joining India or Pakistan, and later annexed by India.

So it's clear that when it's the case of Muslim majority then it's valid if you annex it in the name of democracy.

Hiltrect Ctg was never like the case. So such comparison is invalid.
 
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Nation-states is a new concept. Borders have never been heterogenous and have always been fluid with the migration of tribes and ethnic groups throughout history. No more nation-state can change that. Nations will continue to rise and fall along with the change of their borders.

Right now India has a high degree of influence in Bangladesh due to its alliance with the family of Hasina. Eventually one day Bd would be independent enough to pursue its own national interest. With its rise in population compared to current landmass, along with the acceleration of climate change BD would have no other option but the eventual takeover of the chicken neck and bengal. Its within its core interest

Most of the neighboring states in India ie assam and west bengal already have a large migration population.

EDIT: Just realized you come from a Pakistani background. That makes much more sense now.

Taking over West Bengal is a core interest of Bangladesh? I can see I am arguing with a young person/child. This will be my last post to you. Take some time to talk with people who work in the business of national strategy and think tanks. You would be surprised.

Borders have been stabilizing for a while now. I can't help you see how things are working now. I don't think you understand relations with neighbours work. India does have a high degree of influence in Bangladesh, not only with Sheikh Hasina but all political parties. Likewise, Govt. of Bangladesh too has a high degree of influence with India across parties. Govt. of India does many things which are not officially recognized on both official and unofficial requests of Bangladesh.

In any case resources for population are now provided by industrial infrastructure and developmental growth, not land.

Bangladesh's population growth is not that high and it is about to stabilize. It's going to top at ~190 million and then start declining from 2050. That's barely 30 years from now and not much higher than the current population in relative terms. That's not much higher than what Dhaka has. You speak as though the population was about to double.

You fail to consider the Indian population is also growing, more than Bangladesh's. Though that is an unfortunate fact. However, if it comes to that growing territory size, India's population, economic growth and military growth, (not to mention nuclear weapons) is far above Bangladesh's. You can imagine the outcome of policies that lead to a collision of wills between Bangladesh and India.

India and Bangladesh are already enemies playing a charade of friendship.

You hate us.You kill our people in the borders.Your politicians want to annex integral parts of Bangladeshi territory.You have passed laws to declare millions of your own citizens as Illegal Bangladeshis.Your leader call us termites.India's hedgemonic ambitions in the region are there for everyone to see.You have annexed any defenseless independent states you could from Hyderabad to Junagadh to Kashmir to Sikkim.

India preaches friendship.But actions speak louder than words.And India's actions have proven that it can't be even trusted as responsible nation, let alone a friendly country.
All your assertions are categorically wrong and simplistic in your thinking.

Borders will be enforced. Because people crossing the border are killed does not mean that India hates Bangladesh. I feel that as a smaller nation, people of Bangladesh have a greater sensitivity towards these issues than Indians do.

Sri Lanka shot and killed many Indian fishermen that intruded in their maritime boundary. There are people who dislike Sri Lanka for that but most people recognize that it is within Sri Lanka's right to do that. It does not mean Sri Lankans hate Indians. US border guard shoots people on the Mexican border, does not mean that people of US hate people of Mexico. You are simplistic in your thinking. Most rational people recognize that good fences make for good neighbours. Illegal immigration is not acceptable and will be discouraged though bullets, fences or any other means possible. The same philosophy applies for Indians trying to illegally immigrate to US, etc.

What hegemonic ambitions? Giving the example of Junagadh, Kashmir or Sikkim does not lead to any 'points' for you. Those states were taken at the time of independence in a very specific context as all nations do during the early years of independence - from Pakistan (which annexed the part of Kashmir it has through military, not treaty) to US, to China. As countries age, the context of their independence reduces in relevance and territory expansion ceases making way for trade and cooperation.

No mainstream politician talks about annexing any territory of Bangladesh. Why would India sign a border treaty with Bangladesh (with bi-partisan support) in which India gave away 10,000 acres of land and thousands of acres of the sea if India wanted to annex territory from Bangladesh?

Annexing any part of Bangladesh is not in the consciousness or discourse of Indians. It's something you have come up with to justify your world view in which India is a perceived enemy. I can recognize that you may have been socialized from a young age in this world view. No amount of rational talk will change that and you will likely perform mental gymnastics than challenging your own belief which is, ironically, the point of interacting on this forum. This is my last post on the topic.
 
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India and Bangladesh are already enemies playing a charade of friendship.

You hate us.You kill our people in the borders.Your politicians want to annex integral parts of Bangladeshi territory.You have passed laws to declare millions of your own citizens as Illegal Bangladeshis.Your leader call us termites.India's hedgemonic ambitions in the region are there for everyone to see.You have annexed any defenseless independent states you could from Hyderabad to Junagadh to Kashmir to Sikkim.

India preaches friendship.But actions speak louder than words.And India's actions have proven that it can't be even trusted as responsible nation, let alone a friendly country.
I couldn't have said it better myself. :cheers:
 
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Think things through before you talk, India is no longer the nation it was two decades years back. For the 'eventually' you use, India would be an even stronger nation, economically, militarily, diplomatically.

You would prefer to make India and Bangladesh enemies again?

Your govt. does this everyday by killing our people at the border. In fact almost every action taken by Indian govt. in terms of Bangladesh (whether strategic or tactical) is unfriendly, including helping our enemies with arms etc.

No one in the streets in Bangladesh when polled will say India is a friend of Bangladesh. No one - not even a lot of Hindus. Except maybe a few India-sycophant types you can count on your fingers.

If this is what the overall situation is - then becoming sworn enemies is not a stretch. We don't have to be Pakistani to be Anti-Indian. Get a clue - Rajoo.

Let's get your GDP growth from 3.5% to something respectable first - stronger economy is a relative term.

Don't f*ck with us - we won't f*ck with you.

We've seen a few instances in the past of what happens. Let's not repeat those.

India and Bangladesh are already enemies playing a charade of friendship.

You hate us.You kill our people in the borders.Your politicians want to annex integral parts of Bangladeshi territory.You have passed laws to declare millions of your own citizens as Illegal Bangladeshis.Your leader calls us termites.India's hedgemonic ambitions in the region are there for everyone to see.You have annexed every defenseless independent states you could from Hyderabad to Junagadh to Kashmir to Sikkim.

India preaches words of friendship.But actions speak louder than words.And India's actions have proven that it can't be even trusted as a responsible nation, let alone a friendly country.

You deserve a hearty handshake and a hug - brother. Well spoken! :cheers:

You can reiterate it all you want. Most nations have unequivocally stated that Govt. of India's recent action in Kashmir (removing A370 and assimilating Kashmir as a regular state in India) is India's internal matter. This ranges from Arab states like the UAE, KSA, Russia. Even US which was informed before the action was taken chose not to interfere or even give a critical statement.

Fools rush where even angels fear to tread. Any action supporting secession by the Govt. of BD, officially or unofficially, will lead to reprisal. If your sympathies lie with Pakistan, like they do for most Islamist/Jamaati Bangladeshis, even then the best result is to stay neutral unless you are willing to put Bangladesh and India on a collision course. I don't think you understand the consequences of that.

Who are you trying to threaten - you think we all drink Gau Mutra for a living?

What effin' consequence? You think our armed forces haven't thought of any consequences for you?

You think any aggression for Bangladesh from India will be unilateral?

How long have you studied military strategy - Mr. armchair general?

Go read up and educate yourself first.
 
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India and Bangladesh are already enemies playing a charade of friendship.

You hate us.You kill our people in the borders.Your politicians want to annex integral parts of Bangladeshi territory.You have passed laws to declare millions of your own citizens as Illegal Bangladeshis.Your leader calls us termites.India's hedgemonic ambitions in the region are there for everyone to see.You have annexed every defenseless independent states you could from Hyderabad to Junagadh to Kashmir to Sikkim.

India preaches words of friendship.But actions speak louder than words.And India's actions have proven that it can't be even trusted as a responsible nation, let alone a friendly country.
:cheers:
 
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Pakistan has much more universities in world rankings. Bangladesh has none , so I am surprised what are they doing in BD.
Currently there are 111 medical colleges and universities in Pakistan.But medical education is very expensive as compared to BD.
 
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In that case, you have every reason to hate the indians even more than I do.

I hate injustice I don’t hate all Indians
I love poor people no matter who
I don’t really comfortable with rich people .


Payback is the most wickedest thing snd fir a fact what goes around comes around

mock the rich mock those crooks but not a man who’s mission in life is to butter he’s child’s roti .

You live rich not like us lol
 
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