300 Pakistani students stranded in Bangladesh cry out for help

[leonblack08]

Thank you. I can see your point better now.

India has been nothing but generous to Bangladesh, giving thousands of acres of land and tens of thousands of acres of sea. A country like China would have taken land from them instead of settling it as India did. Chinese example of how they are treating their sea neighbours is instructive in just how generous India has been.

In addition, their trade to Nepal and Bhutan is not taxed by India.

Yet not only are these Bangladeshis ungrateful, they wish to actively support terrorism. I guess some things don't change. I hope the Government of India recognizes these aspects of Bangladeshis instead of believing in 'good relations' trope that their Government says.

Let us not try to pretend that India has been "Generous" to Bangladesh, whereas Bangladesh has not shown any gratitude to you. Everyone has their own self-interest at mind in Geo-politics, so let's cut through the crap of trying to make Bangladeshis indebted for a lifetime with the Indian "generosity".

Here are some examples of Indian generosity:

1. Sponsoring terrorism in Bangladeshi soil: India actively meddled in our politics and sponsored Shanti bahini terrorists after 1971.

https://www.nytimes.com/1989/06/11/world/bangladeshi-insurgents-say-india-is-supporting-them.html

2. BSF killing of Bangladeshi civilians:

In some instances, the civilians were killed inside Bangladeshi territory. There have also been cases of BSF raping Bangladeshi women over the years.

Some excerpts from news reports for demonstration of the Indian Generosity-

"BSF members from Kyadaripara camp opened fire on them around 6am when they were returning with cattle. Sandip and Kamal were killed at least 800 yards inside the Indian territory, while Mofiz was 200 yards inside Bangladesh territory."

"India has suspended seven of its Border Security Force (BSF) troopers in connection to the killing of a Bangladeshi teenager in Chuadanga......Shihab Uddin Sajal, 18, was killed and three others injured when BSF border troopers opened fire on them when they were plucking mangos from trees yesterday."

"another Bangladeshi man, who was tortured by BSF personnel from the Bonnabaria border camp, died while undergoing treatment at Bonga Hospital in India on Wednesday night......had gone to his uncle’s home on the Indian side of the border two days ago. "

"Police quoting an inquest report said Monolota was raped, and there were some other signs of sexual torture in parts of her body."

https://www.dhakatribune.com/bangla...ladeshi-shot-dead-by-bsf-along-naogaon-border

https://www.thedailystar.net/country/7-bsf-men-suspended-killing-teen-1224310

https://bdnews24.com/bangladesh/2007/04/06/bsf-accused-of-killing-bangladeshi-woman-after-rape

Now read this-

"The press release said India is committed to upholding the provisions of the Comprehensive Border Management Plan to secure peace, safety and security on India-Bangladesh border for achieving the goal of bringing the number of fatal incidents on the border to zero."

Clearly, your delegation is openly lying to our face, because they have no intention to stop the killing. That press release was from 2016, and the killings are still going on, with no change of practice in sight.

If they really wanted to change the practice of killing, why didn't they switch to rubber bullets? Even Americans with all their paranoia over Mexicans, don't shoot them on sight.

We also frequently detain Indians, including BSF jawans. We don't torture them or shoot them at sight.
https://www.unb.com.bd/category/Ban...-entering-bangladesh-illegally-returned/36697

3. Territory exchange: I believe Post#83 and 85 by Sehnsucht perfectly explain the mechanism of the exchange. You did us no favor in that front.

4. Farakka barrage: If India was so generous to Bangladesh, this barrage would have been dismantled decades ago. The damage it is doing to not just Bangladesh, but also the environment is going to be irreversible.

5. Military assistance to Myanmar. I don't need to explain more.

The bottom line is, every country does what's best to protect its self-interest.

In an ideal world, Bangladesh and India should cooperate in the field of commerce, culture, and the environment and try to live peacefully like good neighbors. But at no point in time, Bangladesh needs to feel burdened with the so-called Indian Generosity. Be it some land exchange deal or the 1971 war. There is no free favor in geo-politics.

However, given that the Hindu Fanatics are slowly turning you into a Hindu Nationalist state from a "Democratic and secular" one, I don't think even cooperation to live peacefully will be an option in the near future.

So, I would agree with you, our governments might as well call it quits and call spade a spade.

 

[bluesky]

Everyone is talking about BD-India relationship here but the thread is about 300 Pakistani students stranded in BD. Is the GoB taking care of them? Newspapers do not mention about anything although I am sanguine that either the GoB or some social welfare group is looking after them.

Pakistan should arrange a special flight to take them back to their families who are certainly in panic at the thought of their sons and daughters in BD. However, as far as I understand the mind of our people these students will not suffer hunger although they are facing a certain level of inconvenience.

 

[Nilgiri]

Everyone is talking about BD-India relationship here but the thread is about 300 Pakistani students stranded in BD. Is the GoB taking care of them? Newspapers do not mention about anything although I am sanguine that either the GoB or some social welfare group is looking after them.

Pakistan should arrange a special flight to take them back to their families who are certainly in panic at the thought of their sons and daughters in BD. However, as far as I understand the mind of our people these students will not suffer hunger although they are facing a certain level of inconvenience.

Bengalis are hospitable people. I dont think there will be any issue for these students.

I think the students just want to be with families at this concerning time is the main issue....rather than any serious problem on ground for them. Corona spread condition is about the same everywhere regionally.

 

[Bilal9]

Duh! OK I will leave it to others to answer you in detail.
@UKBengali, @Bilal9, @Sehnsucht

India didn't 'give' us diddly squat.

What actually happened was that there were Indian citizen 'enclaves' within Bangladesh and Bangladesh citizen enclaves within India. In Bengali and Urdu, enclaves are called 'Chhitmahals'. The enclave business goes back to 1949 and Indians actually completed an agreement with the Pakistan govt. at the time (1958). It took their moron public servants some 57 years to complete the exchange of these enclaves (finalized in 2015).

Hence the chest-beating claim that they 'gave' us 15 square miles or whatever. But they didn't give us anything - the citizens of respective countries lived in them, they have the rights to those lands as dwellers.

You think it's that easy getting stuff from Indian folks? Every Indian I have ever met jokes about their ingrained kanjoosy. We have all seen it when visiting India.

See more about the agreement,

"Under this agreement, which was ratified on 6 June 2015, India received 51 Bangladeshi enclaves (covering 7,110 acres (2,880 ha)) in the Indian mainland, while Bangladesh received 111 Indian enclaves (covering 17,160 acres (6,940 ha)) in the Bangladeshi mainland.[9] The enclave residents were allowed to either continue residing at their present location or move to the country of their choice.[10] The exchange of enclaves was to be implemented in phases between 31 July 2015 and 30 June 2016.[11] The enclaves were exchanged at midnight on 31 July 2015 and the transfer of enclave residents was completed on 30 November 2015.[12] After the Land Boundary Agreement, India lost around 40 square kilometres (15 sq mi) to Bangladesh.[13][14]".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/India–Bangladesh_enclaves

And while we are in the topic of 'giving' - Indians owe us million of dollars in Transit fees and they beg like some poor sub-saharan country to waive these fees. Kanjoosy to the extreme!

This is when they agree to the fees,
https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/india-ready-to-pay-transit-fees-envoy.135532/

After a few years they still haven't paid the massive fees for transport of their Power generating station equipment to Tripura though Ashuganj. They still owe us tens of Millions of Dollars for this and other large transit shipments. Kanjoos is - as Kanjoos does.

On top of this, they are constantly hounding us to lower fees and lobby through Hasina,

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/very...bangladesh-route-raises-eyebows.432319/page-2

Read more here,

"The widespread perception that the relationship between these two countries have become unequal and that Bangladesh had given more to India than it had received is bolstered by unresolved issues between the two countries. Killing of Bangladeshi civilians on the India-Bangladesh border has increased three-fold to forty-one in 2019 despite repeated promises of the Indian authorities to the contrary. In the past five years, 158 Bangladeshis have died in the hands of the Border Security Force. Recent claims by the Indian foreign secretary that the killings are of equal numbers of Indians and Bangladeshis is not borne out by facts and has irritated Bangladeshis further. A water sharing treaty for the Teesta river—supposed to be signed in 2011—has yet to see the light of day. Bangladesh, however, has allowed India to withdraw water from the Feni River. Since Hasina came into power, Bangladesh has allowed India to transit its goods through Bangladesh and permitted transshipment of Indian goods via Bangladeshi seaports without charging customs duties and transit fees. Bangladesh has enabled Delhi to set up coastal surveillance system radar in Bangladesh in the Bay of Bengal. India’s support to Myanmar on the Rohingya crisis, however, does not augur well with Bangladeshis.

- See more at: http://southasiajournal.net/modis-canceled-bangladesh-visit-is-an-opportunity/

 

[The Ronin]

Why would Pakistani students go to Bangladesh???... It doesnt make any sense.

Dhaka is center of Zulm and Ilhad in South East Asia.

I have been thinking that too. Why would these wise-sensible Pakistanis waste their time, lurking around in the realm of Zulm and Ilhad like some of their a-hole comedians do in this sub-forum. Guess nothing makes sense in this world anymore.

Really sad to see 300 saccha Pakistanis are stuck and crying for help in the center of Zulm and Ilhad of South East Asia. Imran miya should immediately dispatch you two to bring 'em back at the center of Ishq and Junun in SE Asia.

 

[Bilal9]

@Bilal9 I thought kanjoosi was supposed to be only West Bengali trait?

Some West Bengalis (not all) are kanjoos because of poverty and somewhat lower income than the rest of India.

Gangus in upper Ganges Valley are kanjoos because of habit developed through eons.

There is a difference, IMHO the latter is actually worse.

You and I both know that most of what is said on these forums is a lot of hot air. At one point of time, you got to learn history and different perspectives. Now it's just a bunch of preteens mostly. The worst of the lot are the Chinese posters. I engage with them only for entertainment value.

But point taken. Thanks.

Another Charade artist putting on a veneer of civility. Pity you didn't get to add to the 43 negatives badge-of-honor given by the Mods and Seniors here.

 

[Jackdaws]

Some West Bengalis (not all) are kanjoos because of poverty and somewhat lower income than the rest of India.

Gangus in upper Ganges Valley are kanjoos because of habit developed through eons.

There is a difference, IMHO the latter is actually worse.



Another Charade artist putting on a veneer of civility. Pity you didn't get to add to the 43 negatives badge-of-honor given by the Mods and Seniors here.

Another preteen providing entertainment.

 

[VikingRaider]

India didn't 'give' us diddly squat.

What actually happened was that there were Indian citizen 'enclaves' within Bangladesh and Bangladesh citizen enclaves within India. In Bengali and Urdu, enclaves are called 'Chhitmahals'. The enclave business goes back to 1949 and Indians actually completed an agreement with the Pakistan govt. at the time (1958). It took their moron public servants some 57 years to complete the exchange of these enclaves (finalized in 2015).

Hence the chest-beating claim that they 'gave' us 15 square miles or whatever. But they didn't give us anything - the citizens of respective countries lived in them, they have the rights to those lands as dwellers.

You think it's that easy getting stuff from Indian folks? Every Indian I have ever met jokes about their ingrained kanjoosy. We have all seen it when visiting India.

See more about the agreement,

"Under this agreement, which was ratified on 6 June 2015, India received 51 Bangladeshi enclaves (covering 7,110 acres (2,880 ha)) in the Indian mainland, while Bangladesh received 111 Indian enclaves (covering 17,160 acres (6,940 ha)) in the Bangladeshi mainland.[9] The enclave residents were allowed to either continue residing at their present location or move to the country of their choice.[10] The exchange of enclaves was to be implemented in phases between 31 July 2015 and 30 June 2016.[11] The enclaves were exchanged at midnight on 31 July 2015 and the transfer of enclave residents was completed on 30 November 2015.[12] After the Land Boundary Agreement, India lost around 40 square kilometres (15 sq mi) to Bangladesh.[13][14]".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/India–Bangladesh_enclaves

And while we are in the topic of 'giving' - Indians owe us million of dollars in Transit fees and they beg like some poor sub-saharan country to waive these fees. Kanjoosy to the extreme!

This is when they agree to the fees,
https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/india-ready-to-pay-transit-fees-envoy.135532/

After a few years they still haven't paid the massive fees for transport of their Power generating station equipment to Tripura though Ashuganj. They still owe us tens of Millions of Dollars for this and other large transit shipments. Kanjoos is - as Kanjoos does.

On top of this, they are constantly hounding us to lower fees and lobby through Hasina,

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/very...bangladesh-route-raises-eyebows.432319/page-2

Read more here,

"The widespread perception that the relationship between these two countries have become unequal and that Bangladesh had given more to India than it had received is bolstered by unresolved issues between the two countries. Killing of Bangladeshi civilians on the India-Bangladesh border has increased three-fold to forty-one in 2019 despite repeated promises of the Indian authorities to the contrary. In the past five years, 158 Bangladeshis have died in the hands of the Border Security Force. Recent claims by the Indian foreign secretary that the killings are of equal numbers of Indians and Bangladeshis is not borne out by facts and has irritated Bangladeshis further. A water sharing treaty for the Teesta river—supposed to be signed in 2011—has yet to see the light of day. Bangladesh, however, has allowed India to withdraw water from the Feni River. Since Hasina came into power, Bangladesh has allowed India to transit its goods through Bangladesh and permitted transshipment of Indian goods via Bangladeshi seaports without charging customs duties and transit fees. Bangladesh has enabled Delhi to set up coastal surveillance system radar in Bangladesh in the Bay of Bengal. India’s support to Myanmar on the Rohingya crisis, however, does not augur well with Bangladeshis.

- See more at: http://southasiajournal.net/modis-canceled-bangladesh-visit-is-an-opportunity/

Very well said bro.

 

[Gibbs]

Why would Pakistani students go to Bangladesh???... It doesnt make any sense.

SAARC student exchange program, As mentioned in the OP

 

[Homo Sapiens]

SAARC student exchange program, As mentioned in the OP

All these 300 students can not be from SAARC quota scholarship program. Under SAARC quota, Bangladesh accept 19 medical and 4 dental students from Pakistan. If other University departments are taken into account, it is unlikely to be anything more than 100 or 150 Pakistani students under SAARC quota. While there are thousands of Pakistani students in Bangladesh studying with tuition fees. The reporter in OP made a mistake assuming all are SAARC quota students.

 

[TopCat]

Pakistan has much more universities in world rankings. Bangladesh has none , so I am surprised what are they doing in BD.

BD universities dont give a fck about post graduate studies. Its is common to pursue post graduate in a foreign university or go for direct govt job with undergrad which is the requirement for every job. NO post graduate means no ranking. But thse universities are quite good for under graduate though.

 

[ChennaiDude]

india controls 45% of Kashmir. Not all of it.

Go back and read again- He was only talking about - "Bangladesh is perhaps the most popular destination for students from Indian administrated Kashmir."- He never mentioned whole of Kashmir.

As Sheikh Mujibur Rahman once said, "When you play with a gentleman, you play like a gentleman. But when you play with bastards, make sure you play like a bigger bastard. Otherwise, you will lose."

Yes- He was absolutely right- He won.